Board 8 > Super Smash Bros. Mafia - Topic 9: Full-Force Neutral Attack

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So in scum cody world he tracks Lea for cred, and busses joyrock for cred

Would mean other people on joyrock would be doing similar.

[7] Joyrock - (Ulti), (Chris), (Chris), Ulti, Chris, Death, (Lea), Cody, Lea, Chang, Corrik

7 people on joyrock

[3] Ulti - (Chris), MZero, Wallz, (SBell), Ctes, (Chris),(Death), (Chris), (Chris), (Cody)
[1] Chris - Red, (Ulti), (Lea), (SBell)
[1] Lea - (Ulti), (Plum), (Corrik), (Chang), Plum, (Corrik), (Ulti), (Chris)
[1] Red - (Ulti), (Lea), (Chris), (Chris), (Joyrock), (Chris), Joyrock, (Ulti), (Cody), (Corrik), (Plum)

Other votes at eod and throughout.

If Cody is scum sheep is for sure not imo?

Alright. Let's work through this.

Ulti yesterday claimed scum used a "High priority deku nut" yesterday to "stun" someone and that's why Wall claimed roleblocked. Ulti then focuses the lynch on a player for logic that runs completely contrary to his claim. Wall is shot the same night.

Ulti today claims to have scanned "high" again and gotten a "special" priority instead that so happens to act as this amazing guilty scan against Cody. There's just one problem: Dumey claimed roleblocked. If Dumey were roleblocked, Ulti by his own claim should have seen a "High priority deku nut". This is Ulti trying to mislynch Cody on mylo to secure the win. I'm not going anywhere near a Cody lynch.

Ulti's scum, Cody's town. Jury's out on Dumey.

But I very much dislike Dumey immediately following the already virtually confirmed scum Ulti onto Cody so easily, so I could see it being both of them.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I just used a shortcut to get to the end of the scan.

I sent out the beetle on high. The resurrect is called a special priority entirely.

Does this mean you did not get a result for High Priority and instead got Special Priority? Or does it share priority with High?

If you don't have this answer, I would very much like you to ask for host clarification.

Well Crescent ninja'd me on the reason for me asking that.

EDumey posted...

Does this mean you did not get a result for High Priority and instead got Special Priority? Or does it share priority with High?

If you don't have this answer, I would very much like you to ask for host clarification.

Ulti claimed yesterday that if the priorities don't match, he gets from a different priority. This means Ulti is claiming scum used no high priority items last night. With you claiming roleblocked, the two claims contradict.

UltimaterializerX posted...

High priority not found. He returned with a special one. This is exactly how it reads.

Okay then I don't believe Ulti. I was roleblocked.

##Vote: Ulti
##Unvote:

I am unvoting here because as I said I will be absent most of tomorrow so will respect it being potentially MYLO.

But does scum Ulti make this kind of mistake as scum when they would know I was roleblocked? I am so confused to be honest.

But ulti would know you were blocked as scum lol

He would be doing the blocking

Something is so strange here lmao

Let me post my Red/Sheep notes really quick because the ending is relevant to Cody and why I was quick to believe Ulti when refreshing the topic.

red notes
Note on my ISOs, I don't include every single post they make, just the one's I think are relevant. So some large gaps in posts may be me just not caring much about the content of those posts. I also am ctrl+fing "13n" so may miss some other context like other people talking about Red in between these posts.

D1
I love Peaf, but I thought the argument about Red misreading Marth was dogshit. I can understand people like Lea who said "It doesn't make sense to compare people's post-D1 play to their D1 play," but I don't think Red "misconstrued" Marth here, as I was intimately involved in that and thought Red had a good read here.
Calls Death "wordy" after a small post, and later says he town reads Death based on Death's reaction to that poke.
Town reads Lea, Peaf, and Ulti based on personality reads.
Posts in 3.132 that he wasn't done with giving reads, but then never gave more reads rest of the day.

Overall, Red's D1 was largely taken up by his Marth read which I don't think was that bad, and his biggest crime is only giving a couple of personality reads with nothing more concrete than that.

D2
4.119 Red excuses himself for not posting more reads because he got a family phone call at end of day. Town reads Ulti, Corrik, Chang, and MZero. Corrik for a bullshit "claim-hungry like he usually is as town" reason, and MZero for a activity level reason.
Says Wallz claim not likely fake and has bought him a few days at worst. (Possible scum knowing they are going to shoot Wallz soon?)
4.122 Red would have specialed Ctes or Plum if he had his choice. (0 for 2 on those)
4.128 Ctes claims that Red's reason for town reading Ulti because of the way he argued with SBell was factually wrong after Tekken Mafia.
5.321 "I just woke up and what is happening and what is this dumb fish stuff"
6.292 Red comes back after a decent absence and throws out a Chris vote for his role. A full topic after acknowledging people had been talking about it already. Don't love the role based vote after his entire game has been town reading people off of personality reads.
Red gets into a series of posts with MZero and Ctes about their push on Ulti. Continues to defend Ulti thinking that their logic on Ulti bullshitting about Chris' role doesn't make sense.
Red turns the conversation about items into another push on Chris because of Chris' role.
Then the personal stuff starts and I don't feel need to comment on that.

I think we learn a lot here if we know Ulti's alignment. Red hard defends Ulti in this day, and pushes off Ulti suspicion to go off of a meta read. Could very well be town Red, but if Ulti flips scum, I'd take a very skeptic look at Red's D2 again.

D3
No posts from Red.
Sheep replaces in at 8.385
Sheep hard town reads Wallz and MZero
Gives potential scum team of Lea(town), Crescent, Chang, and Cody. (I personally think Chang is town, so I don't agree with Sheep here, and if Cody is scum as Ulti has brought forward, then that's one hell of a Rule of Three Sheep may have given us.
Votes Chang on literally only gut as his stated reason, stating that Lea is a given for the day.
Sheep spends a couple posts talking about Ulti, Lea, and Plum. Asks other players to give input on Chang.
8.406 Corrik claims Chang won't look for PoE reasons once Lea flips scum, but that's pretty much it.
8.408 Sheep "Okay. If you think I'm Scum, and Lea's Scum, and Chang is Scum, what exactly do you think my motivation for voting Chang is, here?" This feels like a really odd line to me. If anything, it makes me feel like Sheep HAD a motivation to vote Chang instead of just sheeping the Lea train he vocally supported.
8.409 Plum doesn't think Sheep's town read on him is very genuine.
8.413 No one answers Sheep's question about his motivation for voting Chang and he has a large post talking to Plum where he throws in "I was also kinda hoping Chang would still be around when I came in and I could get some conversation going with him as a result of my vote, but alas, timezones." at the end.
8.418 Sheep "I need to read more but it feels like pretty simple PoE. I'd eat my hat if you, Wallz, or MZero were Scum, I think Ulti, SBell, Cody and Plum all look clean enough, and now that I have my slot confirmed as Town, the scumteam is basically just looking like Lea/Crescent/Chang/Corrik."
Cody somehow jumped from Sheep's potential scum team to pretty clear in that small amount of time? I tried to read back and see if anyone town cased Cody in that time to give Sheep a reason to change that opinion, but I didn't really see it.

I'd like to note that Sheep did have some decent back and forths with other players while he was present, and would like to iterate again that I'm specifically noting the posts I think are relevant. Please go back and reread if you think I've misrepresented something.

Conclusion is that Sheep came in and immediately set off some interesting flags for me with the Chang vote with no substantive follow-up because he knew Lea was already dead. Then the Cody swap from scum team to "look clean enough" is odd. Not Sheep's biggest fan here.

Okay anyway everyone should claim though then we have time to go over things.

Whenever people want to same time idc

SirChris posted...

He would be doing the blocking

Something is so strange here lmao

well funnily enough it all does actually work out if dumey + cody are both scum

changmas posted...

well funnily enough it all does actually work out if dumey + cody are both scum

Why the snap Cody vote lol

though that would be an astonishingly large amount of commitment to mislynching lea

Cody11533 posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...
Finally got a scan with actual information. The "backup" role is a mafia role and it's called resurrect.

Would this fall under an ability, action, or an item Ulti?

Just in case you missed this one last page Ulti. Did your message specify what the resurrect role would fall under?

changmas posted...

though that would be an astonishingly large amount of commitment to mislynching lea

Yeah and plum day 1 felt like town plum to me idk

I think plum was just super wrong

UltimaterializerX posted...

Dumey, I love you. Truly.

Paragraphs please.

Bro it's a list. It would look WORSE as paragraphs.

Maybe I should just post summaries instead of the full notes I guess is what you're asking me, but it's honestly me giving a full list of noteworthy interactions and posts for people to remember the sequence of events. <_<

ever since dumey claimed roleblocked i've been wondering actually whether wallz wouldn't have (tried) to use his power on plum/dumey or if they both were roleblocked?

idk look i'm just spitballing to try and see if there's any way ulti is telling the truth here

I will say dumey I thought red and ulti are the same alignment all game

How is Ulti still alive lmao

changmas posted...

idk look i'm just spitballing to try and see if there's any way ulti is telling the truth here

My biggest problem with it hasn't changed. His push on Lea contradicted his claim.

MZero posted... How is Ulti still alive lmao

We can fix that today.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Ulti's scum, Cody's town. Jury's out on Dumey.

Crescent, let me ask you this. Is there a chance of an Ulti/Cody scum team and Ulti trying to set himself up for endgame by bussing Cody?

This still doesn't explain the roleblock contradiction, but if that were somehow explained by town actions, would that be possible in your estimate?

Dumey can you sum up exactly why you were so quick to vote for Cody

hmm everyone but sheep is here to claim now :/

Maybe my conclusion of Sheep accidentally moving Cody from possible scum team to looks clean town was a slip of forgetting that he was suspecting town Cody earlier, rather than accidentally moving a scum mate out of his list.

should we just send claims for everyone here now?

it feels unlikely to me we're ever going to find a time with everybody available today

Guys

Cody backed up N2, and Ulti said the roleblock on wallz was the only action. And we know Cody actually tracked Lea cause she flipped town and admitted to targeting me

Ressurect doesn't even sound like an item, and Kirby wouldn't just hide the fact that there's a special priority class. At least I hope he wouldn't

EDumey posted...

Crescent, let me ask you this. Is there a chance of an Ulti/Cody scum team and Ulti trying to set himself up for endgame by bussing Cody?

This still doesn't explain the roleblock contradiction, but if that were somehow explained by town actions, would that be possible in your estimate?

It's Ulti, and I've seen this guy nightkill his own scumbuddies before. If this is mylo though, I feel like this is Ulti going for the win right now. I also feel like on a bus he doesn't immediately claim to have such straightforwardly damning information.

Ulti do you keep missing my questions?

Ulti being scum means I pushed 2 scum day 2 and that sounds good to me

Crescent-Moon posted...

Dumey can you sum up exactly why you were so quick to vote for Cody

I started the day looking at Lea's (lack of) defense yesterday, and her swan song was saying Cody's claim didn't pass the sniff test.
I replaced Plum, who I remembered from when I was keeping up with D1 did not like Cody then, so that was part of what I wanted to review.
I didn't love Chris' defense of Cody using Joyrock's activity.

So I had three reasons right there I already had him on my suspicion list. And for the last like two hours, I've been doing this Red/Sheep ISO and had just gotten to the end of it where I was investigating the weird thing where Sheep's opinion on Cody seemed to change tiers with no provocation and was making connection in my head, when I refreshed the topic and found Ulti coming out with night action based vote on Cody.

It all lined up really nicely until I read the part about Ulti saying it was a "special" priority.

MZero posted...

Guys

Cody backed up N2, and Ulti said the roleblock on wallz was the only action. And we know Cody actually tracked Lea cause she flipped town and admitted to targeting me

Ressurect doesn't even sound like an item, and Kirby wouldn't just hide the fact that there's a special priority class. At least I hope he wouldn't

Yeah I think this together with what Crescent is saying pretty much absolves Cody, so I need to reroute my wires on that one.

im going to bed in like 30 mins so if we want to do any claims tonight speak now or hold your peace for like 18 hours

MZero posted...

Guys

Cody backed up N2, and Ulti said the roleblock on wallz was the only action. And we know Cody actually tracked Lea cause she flipped town and admitted to targeting me

Ressurect doesn't even sound like an item, and Kirby wouldn't just hide the fact that there's a special priority class. At least I hope he wouldn't

Didn't notice that second part but it seems to be right, there's nothing I can see at game's start about a "special priority" existing.

Anyway ulti is alive because d2 we killed scum and d3 I didn't feel like arguing with plum

I could see a world where the "special priority" just means "the action you choose to back-up is the priority of whatever the original action was" But couldn't that just be a fast priority?

EDumey posted...

I could see a world where the "special priority" just means "the action you choose to back-up is the priority of whatever the original action was" But couldn't that just be a fast priority?

The issue is more the first part MZero pointed out. Ulti claimed that the "deku nut" was the only item scum used night 2. He's now claiming Cody used this revive or whatever thing last night and saying he used it night 2 to track Lea to back up his claim.

It's another set of contradicting claims from Ulti.

EDumey posted...

I could see a world where the "special priority" just means "the action you choose to back-up is the priority of whatever the original action was" But couldn't that just be a fast priority?

I actually double checked and my role is a Special Priority lol. I do get the priority of the role I inherited, so it went Use Backup (special) then Use Tracker (low).

Cody11533 posted...

I actually double checked and my role is a Special Priority lol. I do get the priority of the role I inherited, so it went Use Backup (special) then Use Tracker (low).

The plot thickens

Cody11533 posted...

I actually double checked and my role is a Special Priority lol. I do get the priority of the role I inherited, so it went Use Backup (special) then Use Tracker (low).

Interesting.

Also I feel like scum cody never admits that lol