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MZero
05/26/23 11:04:27 PM
#151:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Scum has an item list. Leas lynch just flips someone and little else.

Anyway sure Ill claim. Each day I get a beetle at days end. Passive, cannot be blocked. Each night I can choose to send it out or keep it.

Night 1 I kept. Night 2 I sent out both. I currently have zero.

...you can't choose to use or not use a passive action. That's what makes it passive >_>

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MZero
05/26/23 11:05:04 PM
#152:


Oh wait you mean receiving it is passive. Carry on

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Cody11533
05/27/23 12:26:05 AM
#154:


UltimaterializerX posted...
The beetles only give info when an item is used by scum. They only used one item last night.
What does the number of beetles you send out affect?

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SirChris
05/27/23 12:30:30 AM
#155:


UltimaterializerX posted...
The beetles only give info when an item is used by scum. They only used one item last night.

Scum is very likely Lea/Chris/?/? with Lea confirmed.

Ill take the 1:1 trade if you kill Chris after my flip. Its whatever.
So wouldn't lea be confirmed town then since she visited mzero and wallz was blocked

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Cody11533
05/27/23 12:37:12 AM
#156:


If Ulti's beetles are accurate and Scum used a Deku Nut to roleblock, would they have chosen to pass on using the Sandbag Role Cop with 3 uses left?

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changmas
05/27/23 12:57:00 AM
#158:


beetles are a complete wild goose chase considering ulti learns something new about them every time he rereads the role

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changmas
05/27/23 12:58:05 AM
#159:


also chris gave me a fish so either he's not scum or your beetles are wrong teehee

(the real answer is that ulti has no clue what his role does still)

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Cody11533
05/27/23 12:59:02 AM
#160:


SirChris posted...
So wouldn't lea be confirmed town then since she visited mzero and wallz was blocked
Wait wouldn't you be confirmed Town since you gave a Goldeen to Chang?

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Cody11533
05/27/23 12:59:51 AM
#161:


What Chang said.

BTW hit me up if you wanna do a Goldeen playdate sometime.

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SirChris
05/27/23 1:03:06 AM
#162:


Ulti's role is the greatest thing since armourer

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changmas
05/27/23 1:09:19 AM
#163:


Cody11533 posted...
What Chang said.

BTW hit me up if you wanna do a Goldeen playdate sometime.

it's past Serenity's bedtime but maybe tomorrow!

SirChris posted...
Ulti's role is the greatest thing since armourer

what did armourer do

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wallmasterz
05/27/23 1:24:17 AM
#164:


Ulti, you previously said the more beetles that are flying around, the better quality the information gets

Now you are saying the more beetles flying around, the higher the quantity of information gets

Maybe its just me but I expect ulti to mock us in postgame for not lynching him immediately on d2

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MZero
05/27/23 3:14:54 AM
#166:


##Vote: Ulti

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MZero
05/27/23 3:16:32 AM
#167:


You can only get caught lying about your role so many times before you get lynched. Usually once but in this case it's about 7+

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MZero
05/27/23 3:21:50 AM
#168:


wallmasterz posted...
Ulti, you previously said the more beetles that are flying around, the better quality the information gets

Now you are saying the more beetles flying around, the higher the quantity of information gets

Maybe its just me but I expect ulti to mock us in postgame for not lynching him immediately on d2

MZero posted...
I refuse to live in a world where Ulti gets to gloat about winning as scum with the worst fake claim of all time

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MZero
05/27/23 4:18:30 AM
#170:


UltimaterializerX posted...
When I flip town will you kill Chris? I dont ask for much and I dont care which order the 1:1 trade happens.

Lea is the roleblocker which should die first regardless but hey.

  1. Scum has items, not roles
  2. Lea was tracked to me, not to wallz who was roleblocked
  3. chang was given a Goldeen, but you said scum only used one item, which was a Deku Nut, ergo Chris is not scum

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MZero
05/27/23 4:21:44 AM
#171:


That being said I do have it noted in my brain that Chris came into Day 2 and immediately said a kill on wagon usually means it was a town/town lynch and another post softly defending Joyrock

let me go grab those

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MZero
05/27/23 4:24:17 AM
#172:


SirChris posted... Anyway killing on wagon usually indicates the final lynch is between two town but I'll go into more depth of that when I re-read.

SirChris posted...
Ulti/Death/RIP-Peaf all just got burned alive by scum marth so that trio gets a pass for sure on marth.

Will have to consider Cody/Joyrock more but Joyrock felt too honest in their lack of care to be mafia off hand.

Just something to keep in mind. I still feel pretty good keeping Chris in my town circle for now

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wallmasterz
05/27/23 7:03:16 AM
#173:


@mzero Ive never seen a cult in a mafia game but I also worry about Chris as either scum or some sort of 3rd party. He literally claimed occultist. I dont know how it works but its something to keep in mind

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MZero
05/27/23 7:31:21 AM
#174:


Oh right, I forgot about his claim. I although I would think if he was cult leader or something he wouldn't just claim it lol

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wallmasterz
05/27/23 7:36:10 AM
#175:


Ulti you not suspecting Chris was a big storyline so far. Youve given numerous reasons you are so sure hes town. On the seemingly unlikely chance youre town, what changed your mind?

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wallmasterz
05/27/23 7:41:46 AM
#176:


MZero posted...
Oh right, I forgot about his claim. I although I would think if he was cult leader or something he wouldn't just claim it lol

Yeah plus cult and occult are two different things. I agree about continuing to lean town on Chris but at a certain point he would probably make sense as the policy lynch Ive heard about

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wallmasterz
05/27/23 7:43:18 AM
#177:


I think its Lea/Ulti/Corrik/?

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masterplum
05/27/23 8:55:53 AM
#178:


SirChris posted...
So wouldn't lea be confirmed town then since she visited mzero and wallz was blocked

What? No. Its an item list. Who says she has to block every night

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MZero
05/27/23 8:58:01 AM
#179:


RuneterranSnap posted...
Tbqh I sign up remembering old times and forgetting aim is much simpler, get overwhelmed, then end up sitting back and watching a lot. Nothing intentional, just don't get a lot of urges to post. I'm still doing my best to read and follow the topic.

For reads I'm not feeling Ulti too much rn, he seems more chaotic and feels like he's having an off game.

Chris seems to be guiding a lot of lunches off some pretty shallow reasoning, but there's not exactly a lot of discussion to go off.

Red I lean scummy, I tend to remember and expect a lot more activity from him.

Lea I've got no clue and don't really want ro commit to them.

My guess is one name in here is scum and it's Ulti

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MZero
05/27/23 9:01:49 AM
#180:


masterplum posted...
What? No. Its an item list. Who says she has to block every night

Ulti said scum used only one item last night, which was presumably the roleblock on wallz. But Lea visited me, which would mean she's town according to Ulti's info because scum only used one item. Unless wallz was blocked by town I guess. So Ulti calling Lea scum doesn' make a lot of sense

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Obellisk
05/27/23 9:35:26 AM
#181:


Isn't there a difference between items and abilities?


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MZero
05/27/23 9:43:29 AM
#182:


Obellisk posted...
Isn't there a difference between items and abilities?

- Rather than traditional roles, SCUM has a pool of items to use as night actions. Each scum may use one item per night. These items all have limited uses, though some items can be used more than once.

I don't think scum has any night actions other than their kill and obviously I'm not ded

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wallmasterz
05/27/23 9:47:04 AM
#183:


Obellisk posted...
Isn't there a difference between items and abilities?

Yes, Kirby said scum has items instead of traditional roles, but I dont think we should lean on this too heavily for meta/solving. For example, my abilitys flavor says I give a super mushroom to the target of my ability, and thats an item. Then weve got joyrocks flip which shows a passive role that doesnt have a nightly action but godfather is very much a traditional role.

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Obellisk
05/27/23 9:47:58 AM
#184:


Right.

Ok, did Ulti say his beetle power tells him ITEM info or SCUM ITEM info?


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Obellisk
05/27/23 9:49:06 AM
#185:


wallmasterz posted...
Yes, Kirby said scum has items instead of traditional roles, but I dont think we should lean on this too heavily for meta/solving. For example, my abilitys flavor says I give a super mushroom to the target of my ability, and thats an item. Then weve got joyrocks flip which shows a passive role that doesnt have a nightly action but godfather is very much a traditional role.


yeah I was considering the passive gf as a traditional role. but scum just has no "actions", just items.

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Obellisk
05/27/23 9:50:08 AM
#186:


What if Plum is scum watcher?

Just help me with a hypothetical here .

What has Plum claimed his actions as so far.

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Obellisk
05/27/23 9:53:49 AM
#187:


Plum saw Lea visit Wall.

Plum saw no one visit Chris.

Wall was claimed power. Lea was protecting. Scum was hoping to find protection. Lea claims Bg.

Chris after day 2 is all but confirmed town and Plum still cast shade on him. So he watches scum Chris? why? more like he watches Town chris looking for the doctor who is clearly going to save obv town vhris.

(ofcourse, I'm the one who kills the doc stupidly, you're welcome scum).

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Obellisk
05/27/23 9:54:46 AM
#188:


And then plum plays the "Heeeeeeeyyyyyy, I'm town watcher, why didn't they rolevlock me, that's sooooooooo weeeeird"

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Obellisk
05/27/23 9:58:15 AM
#189:


I think perhaps plum is using an item and it's possible scum ulti is throwing us off the scent with his "only x items are being used, nonsense"

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wallmasterz
05/27/23 9:58:27 AM
#190:


I have found plum scummy all game, I just dont see how him watching multiple nights in a row jives with scum only having items instead of roles with active abilities.

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wallmasterz
05/27/23 9:59:12 AM
#191:


He could be lying about watching Chris, but Lea did not deny visiting me n1.

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Obellisk
05/27/23 10:02:08 AM
#192:


wallmasterz posted...
He could be lying about watching Chris, but Lea did not deny visiting me n1.

and why would she if she was truly bodyguarding you

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Obellisk
05/27/23 10:02:57 AM
#193:


I just do not understand the purpose of watching Chris.

there is no logical reason plum can give us why that watching makes sense

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Obellisk
05/27/23 10:04:45 AM
#194:


other strikes against Plum:

No matter how loud and possibly wrong I've been this game he at no point said I was being LOUD WRONG. he did do this to other players, but Plum always does that to me every game.

Instead he replaced it with "sbell must be scum because he isn't calling me scum", which is not a common town Plum play.

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wallmasterz
05/27/23 10:06:53 AM
#195:


Obellisk posted...
and why would she if she was truly bodyguarding you

oh Im just saying plum definitely watched me.

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Obellisk
05/27/23 10:07:46 AM
#196:


wallmasterz posted...
oh Im just saying plum definitely watched me.

For sure.

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Obellisk
05/27/23 10:12:01 AM
#197:


Are we to believe that Town has a full time Tracker, Watcher and Cop? Seems like a lot of investigative power in a role madness game and we still don't have half the claims.

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masterplum
05/27/23 10:19:28 AM
#198:


Obellisk posted...
I just do not understand the purpose of watching Chris.

there is no logical reason plum can give us why that watching makes sense

Who would you watch Sbell?

Do you not think after yesterday it is likely nobody visits chris? Are you really thinking it is a nonsensical play?


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masterplum
05/27/23 10:22:44 AM
#199:


I think Sbell is nearly confirmed scum here. None of this postulating makes remote sense when put up to the least bit of scrutiny

So his proposition is that I used a scum item to watch Lea of all people? For what? If I was doing that wouldnt I watch Chris who always gets protection N1?

And this means Lea is town right? So he thinks bodyguarding Mzero when we had power claim Wallz and once again Chris alive is a sensible play when absolutely nobody was shooting Mzero last night?

Or is he saying I am scum with lea and my plan is to throw Lea under the bus and confirm Wallz town at the same time as if that is a remotely sensible play?

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Obellisk
05/27/23 10:22:47 AM
#200:


masterplum posted...
Who would you watch Sbell?

Do you not think after yesterday it is likely nobody visits chris? Are you really thinking it is a nonsensical play?

correct. I think scum doesn't touch Chris after day 2.

I think scum males a poor play in using a watch item on Chris in hopes to find the doc.

I also think Town Plum comes in with a less defensive posture.

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