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joe40001 04/29/23 9:01:03 AM #1: |
I disagreed with some of the reductiveness they employed at points, and at the abstracted claims that resulted But still, I feel Contrapoints was acting in good faith, furthermore I support people freely sharing their opinions and perspectives and I think it's good to expose yourself to opinions and perspectives that you might disagree with. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmT0i0xG6zg Anybody else watch the video and have thoughts? --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 04/29/23 9:53:00 AM #3: |
ProfessorKukui posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/2/4/AAc8AqAAEHs8.jpg --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Irony 04/29/23 9:56:51 AM #5: |
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MedeaLysistrata 04/29/23 10:19:39 AM #6: |
every time --- updated 3/26/2023 https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 04/29/23 10:22:26 AM #7: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Certain things I felt were too reductive. Saying anything like "what this person really means is this..." is generally not going to be super accurate if your speaking for a person you have contempt for, because odds are if you have contempt for them you don't really have a great ability to understand their mindset. The biggest one I disagree with is the idea that approaches like Daryl Davis are inferior to more antagonistic or emotional responses. It wasn't explicitly claimed this way, but it kinda was. Seemed like Contrapoints entertained the idea of rational discussion but then ultimately landed on "these people are bigots and so shaming and hating them and yelling them down is going to be the best approach." And I think that's all just painting with too much of a broad brush, and it's just not a premise I agree with personally. IMO the way to help the most people and make the most progress is to have open and honest rational discussions even about delicate subjects. I got the impression that Contrapoints was ultimately pushing back against this. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Buu_88 04/29/23 10:33:14 AM #8: |
I keep seeing this video shared around but I'm not gonna watch something that's 2 hours. Who is this person and what's the video about? --- Rehab is for quitters. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 04/29/23 10:43:31 AM #9: |
Buu_88 posted... I keep seeing this video shared around but I'm not gonna watch something that's 2 hours. Who is this person and what's the video about? It's a pretty famous trans youtuber who is taking about JK Rowling and how certain people frame JK Rowling as the victim of a "witch-hunt" type scenario for her TERF positions. And just kind of using that as a launchpad to talk about a few other related things. This youtuber isn't my cup of tea, but I have a friend who likes them a lot, and I personally try to expose myself to ideas outside of my own bubble moderately regularly. So I find it interesting in that capacity, but am not "recommending" it as such. If you want to see a long ass video that I'd actually personally recommend, it would be something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btNL1q-yU7E --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Garabandal 04/29/23 10:59:58 AM #10: |
Buu_88 posted... I keep seeing this video shared around but I'm not gonna watch something that's 2 hours. Who is this person and what's the video about?It's a very fast 2 hours but I don't blame you for not watching the video. --- Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death. John 8:51 (NIV) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrToothHasYou 04/29/23 11:21:14 AM #11: |
For those of you keeping count at home, joenumbers has referred to Contrapoints as they, them, and it so far in this topic, but never she or her. Impressive stuff. --- (he/him) "The hopeless don't revolt, because revolution is an act of hope." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 04/29/23 11:21:48 AM #12: |
MrToothHasYou posted... For those of you keeping count at home, joenumbers has referred to Contrapoints as they, them, and it so far in this topic, but never she or her. Impressive stuff.Post #2 pretty much explains everything already. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 04/29/23 11:24:59 AM #13: |
MrToothHasYou posted... For those of you keeping count at home, joenumbers has referred to Contrapoints as they, them, and it so far in this topic, but never she or her. Impressive stuff. JFC I never referred to her as "it", learn to read, or at least learn to be less of a horrible douchey troll. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 04/29/23 11:27:22 AM #14: |
joe40001 posted... JFC I never referred to her as "it", joe40001 posted... It's a pretty famous trans youtuber Wanna try again? --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MarbyIsBack 04/29/23 11:27:41 AM #15: |
joe40001 posted... JFC I never referred to her as "it", learn to read joe40001 posted... It's a pretty famous trans youtubertry again, buddy --- The Bagel made me do it. I am the master of dead memes ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GrandConjuraton 04/29/23 11:29:08 AM #16: |
Tagging TC --- Everyone stares at the thing in the cage, misery here for your satisfaction https://imgur.com/o21DN7r ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 04/29/23 11:29:55 AM #17: |
Tyranthraxus posted... Wanna try again? The question was about the video. Like I said, learn to read. "What's this video?" "It's a pretty famous movie review youtuber who is talking about the decline of Jurassic Park" The "it" refers to the video, unless you are being dense or trolling trying to start shit, this is very clear. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 04/29/23 11:30:37 AM #18: |
I think Joe numbers was using "it" in reference to the video, but certain people are not owed the benefit of the doubt. --- Please don't be weird in my topics ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MarbyIsBack 04/29/23 11:32:24 AM #19: |
joe40001 posted... The "it" refers to the video, unless you are being dense or trolling trying to start shit, this is very clear.ok, would be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, even though you have shown absolutely NO reason to be deserving of it, EXCEPT... joe40001 posted... It's a pretty famous trans youtuberyoutuber refers to the person themselves. If you were talking about the channel, you'd say something along the lines of "it's a pretty famous channel starring a trans youtuber" or something along those lines. Instead of telling us to learn how to read, maybe you should learn to speak basic English. --- The Bagel made me do it. I am the master of dead memes ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 04/29/23 11:32:42 AM #20: |
joe40001 posted... The question was about the video. Like I said, learn to read. What's strange, because to me the question, which is still fucking there, looks like this. Buu_88 posted... Who is this person --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 04/29/23 11:33:54 AM #21: |
Some of you are just the worst sometimes. Anyway, I shared a video from a person sharing an interesting perspective. For the normal people who want to talk about the video some I'd be open to that, but I'm done humoring anybody being a troll. I've got better things to do, and honestly arguing with people who aren't talking in good faith is beneath me. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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cuttin_in_farm 04/29/23 11:36:02 AM #22: |
Eh the poster asked what is the video in the first sentence Grammatically, the TC is referring to the person as it. But I could see how they meant to say It is about a youtuber. Itd be odd to randomly use it when using they the whole topic prior. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GeraldDarko 04/29/23 11:36:47 AM #23: |
I really don't feel like he's using "it" in any kind of way, here. Let's just drop that bit. JoeNumbers can be a punk, but he ain't like that. --- Carpe petat ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Irony 04/29/23 11:48:43 AM #24: |
GeraldDarko posted... I really don't feel like he's using "it" in any kind of way, here. Let's just drop that bit. JoeNumbers can be a punk, but he ain't like that.Yes he is --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 04/29/23 6:13:06 PM #25: |
Irony posted... Yes he is IMO a big reason the world is a worse place is because of bad internet discourse, and IMO a big reason for bad internet discourse is people like you. People like you, who invent false narratives and strawmen and then when confronted with evidence that explicitly proves you wrong, you double down. "joe must be a transphobe, he just talked respectfully about a trans person's video and said it was a thoughtful and engaging perspective but he acknowledged that he didn't agree with all of the video's claims! AND his pronoun usage was less overt than I think it must be! Joe is clearly a hateful person who wants to dehumanize! He is incapable of being anything than a transphobe because he is so hateful that he refuses to call Contrapoints a she." Me: *Calls her a she.* Others: "Joe isn't like that, you are wrong." You: "YES HE IS, NO I'M NOT!" So yeah, IMO people like you are why internet discourse is worse. You are so invested in your strawman that you never consider the possibility that the reductive and antagonistic way you frame people and the narrative is inaccurate, EVEN WHEN PROVEN WRONG. This is just like the scenario for which I tagged you with your current tag "lies about my vaccination status". You INSISTED I was anti-vaxx, over and over, by me even bringing up the discussion of a risk benefit analysis on the COVID mRNA shots (particularly for younger demographics) you said JOE IS ANTI-VAXX. Furthermore, you said that I had never gotten any covid vaccine. And then you literally did not change your claim at all when I made that topic showing my signed covid vaccine card. You saw it, I posted it the picture to you. And yet, you kept repeating something even though you had seen proof that you were wrong, because in people like your's mind, it would seem that nothing, NOTHING is sufficient to challenge your preconceived notions. Apparently, your reductive and antagonistic world view is more important to you than any proof that shows you are flat wrong. And while ContraPoints is not my favorite youtuber, I do have so much more respect for people like her than people like you. Because she tries to engage ideas that are outside her beliefs. Unlike people like you who literally can't acknowledge FACTS staring you in the goddamn face that go against your narrative. I've become more mentally healthy lately, and part of that is me trying to not give time to those who don't deserve my time or respect. I'm quicker to block bad faith trolls on the internet because honestly, fool me once shame on you, show me 10 billion times that you literally have no interest in engaging in any discussion outside of one that conforms to your blatantly false understanding of reality, shame of me for putting up with it. The one major fault I still have in this regard is that part of me is really bothered with the idea that there are people as antagonistic and ignorant as you who will go unchallenged because everybody with sense just stops talking to them. So I guess that's what this post is, one less hail mary attempt to give you a chance to admit that MAYBE on SOME of your reductive, divisive, sweeping generalizations about me for which you've literally seen proof that you are wrong, MAYBE you could acknowledge you MIGHT have not been perfectly accurate. It's literally the bare minimum I'd expect a good faith and cognitively functioning human to be able to do, but I also simultaneously don't think you are capable of it. If you respond with your regular bullshit, I'm going to just wise up and block you like I should have forever ago. You are likely going to feign that being blocked by me doesn't bother you, but if that were true you wouldn't spend so much time and energy acting like a dense douche in so many of my topics. So yeah, if acknowledge the possibility that you MIGHT have been at least a TINY bit wrong, we can reset, I will forgive you for your mischaracterization of me, and I will give you tons of credit for having the capacity to be reasonable. But if you just double down again, it will just be pathetic and proof to me I should have blocked you ages ago. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 04/29/23 6:15:35 PM #26: |
I'm sorry to everybody else here, I should know better than to engage such stuff. Getting sucked into internet nonsense is silly, and I don't like the irritable person it can make me become. I hope everybody is having a good day. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnholyMudcrab 04/29/23 6:24:18 PM #27: |
I'm fucking dying that the big-ass post up there was a response to three words. --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Irony 04/29/23 6:25:18 PM #28: |
Bro I'm not reading that --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 04/29/23 6:25:40 PM #29: |
Shut the fuck up, Joe Numbers --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png he/him/they/them ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Medussa 04/29/23 6:30:29 PM #31: |
"yeah, i misgendered her half a dozen times, but here's how i'm the victim." https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/2/7/AACJCFAAESFD.jpg --- Boom! That's right, this is all happening! You cannot change the channel now! You know me, I'm a big fan of subtlety. But that's downright cryptic. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bandit_Keith 04/29/23 6:33:26 PM #32: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] --- http://i.imgur.com/nq0Fn6a.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 04/29/23 6:34:36 PM #33: |
Medussa posted... "yeah, i misgendered her half a dozen times, but here's how i'm the victim."He literally didn't use a single pronoun for like 4 or 5 posts. There might have been a single "they" in their somewhere. Reminds me of the people who cry about pronouns these days who used to go out of their way to not use gendered language for any LGBTQ person that made them uncomfortable. They loved singular they back then. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png he/him/they/them ... Copied to Clipboard!
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manhookcardoor 04/29/23 6:35:58 PM #34: |
Well thank you for watching the video and sharing. That's more than I'll probably ever do. --- man hook hand hook car ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 04/29/23 6:38:14 PM #35: |
manhookcardoor posted... Well thank you for watching the video and sharing. That's more than I'll probably ever do. np It's an interesting watch if you aren't usually exposed to that kind of content. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 04/29/23 6:39:34 PM #36: |
joe40001 posted... npWe all know you aren't exposed to that kind of content. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png he/him/they/them ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 04/29/23 6:40:51 PM #37: |
Irony posted... Bro I'm not reading that People who literally take pride in looking down their nose at thoughtful responses and at being incapable of reading more than a few sentences. I honestly don't know why I ever had hope you could communicate like a rational good faith adult, but yeah, bye. I've indulged you faaaaaaaaaaaar too long. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 04/29/23 6:44:53 PM #38: |
hockeybub89 posted... We all know you aren't exposed to that kind of content. So, hockeybub, what is your argument? Because you are on the block bubble too, frankly. Is your argument that I watched a 2 hour video, showed respect to the person making the video, and thoughtfully engaged in the ideas expressed in it, and then shared the video here... because I'm a hateful transphobe? I know more than 5 sentences might scare some people, so I will try to be concise, but what, if anything, are you suggesting about me in this topic? Because you clearly have some strong opinions you are trying to point at, but I can't for the life of me figure out what you are trying to say. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 04/29/23 7:04:48 PM #40: |
joe40001 posted... So, hockeybub, what is your argument? Because you are on the block bubble too, frankly.It took you 5 posts to use a female pronoun. You are consistently on the wrong side of things and like 90% of posts are nonsense that agrees with right-wing conspiracy theories. Please go ahead and burst the bubble. I'm never letting go of your ivermectin/HCQ bullshit. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png he/him/they/them ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 04/29/23 7:10:59 PM #41: |
hockeybub89 posted... It took you 5 posts to use a female pronoun. You are consistently on the wrong side of things and like 90% of posts are nonsense that agrees with right-wing conspiracy theories. Please go ahead and burst the bubble. I'm never letting go of your ivermectin/HCQ bullshit.So what is your argument about me here? That I am transphobic? That I hate Contrapoints? That I don't recognize the humanity in trans people? What specifically are you saying about me, my character, or my actions? I truly don't want to put words in your mouth and am genuinely curious what you are saying here. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Heartomaton 04/29/23 7:11:01 PM #42: |
Ooh, ooh! Block me too! I also think you suck! --- https://www.youtube.com/user/Heartomaton Heartomaton for President 2028. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MarcyWarcy 04/29/23 7:36:32 PM #44: |
i ate greek yogurt for breakfast this morning and it made me blast the toilet like a shotgun. this thread made me think of that --- Looks like this gamer's paradise has turned into a gamer's hell............................................... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightningAce11 04/29/23 8:32:00 PM #45: |
Its kinda sad that for all the talk about free speech and convincing people rationally and talking to people it seems that Joe hasnt gotten through to any people on this website. Many users dislike him and dont care for his arguments. What did he do to poison the well so much against himself? --- I want you to grab your nuts. Grab your balls. I want you to take a handful, and just grab your nuts real quick. Swivel 'em around in a circular motion. -LTG ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 04/29/23 8:45:25 PM #46: |
LightningAce11 posted... Its kinda sad that for all the talk about free speech and convincing people rationally and talking to people it seems that Joe hasnt gotten through to any people on this website. I've got through to some. And it's clear to me that a decent amount of the most vocal people here just read headlines, usually from the same kind of sources, and take it as gospel truth. There was just a topic about something, and people were overtly saying "X person should be imprisoned" based on the headline, but if you looked at the article it was clear that how it was being interpreted was not in alignment with what actually happened. But after I pointed that out there were no responses. There's a good Obama quote I like, which was "If I watched Fox News all day, I'd hate me too." A lot of people, and this is a very much "both sides" thing, just read headlines that validate their perspective, take the headlines as gospel truth and react accordingly. And well, basically, if I took all the same headlines as gospel truth, I'd hate me too. So even if I think such people are wrong, I at least can kind of understand it. But what I can't do is get through to people who legitimately say "I ain't reading that" to anything more than a few sentences. If somebody is completely not operating in good faith or even reading anything that challenges them, you by definition can't get through to them. I'd be open to calmly talking to just about anybody here, and I think we could make some progress, and both learn from each other. But first you'd have to find a person here willing to have such a discussion, and I think many such people have been driven away, and some of the most vocal people aren't interested in that kind of thing at all. But I think there are still plenty, and probably more than you'd think. It's just unfortunate that the least constructive people on the internet are often the loudest. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AI_TechGam3FAQS 04/29/23 8:48:26 PM #47: |
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Turbam 04/29/23 8:53:25 PM #49: |
LightningAce11 posted... Its kinda sad that for all the talk about free speech and convincing people rationally and talking to people it seems that Joe hasnt gotten through to any people on this website.Covid misinformation and pushing horse paste --- ~snip (V)_(;,;)_(V) snip~ I'm just one man! Whoa! Well, I'm a one man band! https://imgur.com/p9Xvjvs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 04/29/23 8:53:54 PM #50: |
joe40001 posted... I've got through to some.You were dressed down over and over with regards to your ivermectin bullshit for like years and you just kept sticking your fingers in your ears and going "Oh when will anyone engage in logical debate with me and convince me with facts rather than emotional arguments just like the side they claim to be better then?" You can't even talk about LGBTQ issues without "both sidesing" it! You know what? I don't give a fuck what the other side thinks! They're wrong and I'm not debasing myself by justifying the truth or my existence to people that have no interest in learning, no matter how much enlightened centrists like you try to shame me for "being the same way". You'd start a debate over whether vegetables are a food if you felt the "pro-vegetable" movement was getting too stubborn and religious-like in their "beliefs". --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png he/him/they/them ... Copied to Clipboard!
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