And it's clear to me that a decent amount of the most vocal people here just read headlines, usually from the same kind of sources, and take it as gospel truth. There was just a topic about something, and people were overtly saying "X person should be imprisoned" based on the headline, but if you looked at the article it was clear that how it was being interpreted was not in alignment with what actually happened.
But after I pointed that out there were no responses.
There's a good Obama quote I like, which was "If I watched Fox News all day, I'd hate me too."
A lot of people, and this is a very much "both sides" thing, just read headlines that validate their perspective, take the headlines as gospel truth and react accordingly. And well, basically, if I took all the same headlines as gospel truth, I'd hate me too.
So even if I think such people are wrong, I at least can kind of understand it.
But what I can't do is get through to people who legitimately say "I ain't reading that" to anything more than a few sentences. If somebody is completely not operating in good faith or even reading anything that challenges them, you by definition can't get through to them.
I'd be open to calmly talking to just about anybody here, and I think we could make some progress, and both learn from each other. But first you'd have to find a person here willing to have such a discussion, and I think many such people have been driven away, and some of the most vocal people aren't interested in that kind of thing at all.
But I think there are still plenty, and probably more than you'd think. It's just unfortunate that the least constructive people on the internet are often the loudest.
You were dressed down over and over with regards to your ivermectin bullshit for like years and you just kept sticking your fingers in your ears and going "Oh when will anyone engage in logical debate with me and convince me with facts rather than emotional arguments just like the side they claim to be better then?" You can't even talk about LGBTQ issues without "both sidesing" it! You know what? I don't give a fuck what the other side thinks! They're wrong and I'm not debasing myself by justifying the truth or my existence to people that have no interest in learning, no matter how much enlightened centrists like you try to shame me for "being the same way".
You'd start a debate over whether vegetables are a food if you felt the "pro-vegetable" movement was getting too stubborn and religious-like in their "beliefs".