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LinkMarioSamus
04/18/23 3:49:45 PM
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This is the weakest phase, right?








Just in case someone wants clarification, this does not count the new Ant-Man movie since that is technically the start of Phase 5, and I'm specifically asking about the films. Also not counting Werewolf by Night or The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special.

Anyway, the only movies in this phase I liked were Spider-Man, Doctor Strange, and Black Panther, and I thought the latter two were more decent than anything. Everything in this phase is "I like it but I get why others don't" at best other than Spider-Man.

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mnk
04/18/23 3:57:35 PM
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I liked all of them to varying degrees.

Spider-Man > Doctor Strange > Black Panther > Shang-Chi > Thor > Eternals > Black Widow

The Top 4 are notably better than the Bottom 3, however.

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Mr_Lasastryke
04/18/23 4:05:59 PM
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i didn't see them all but i only liked two, and one of them's debatable since i'm still not sure if i liked wakanda forever. it's... fine, i guess. (the other one is no way home, of course.)

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Lopen
04/18/23 4:06:45 PM
#4:


5

Dislike Black Widow haven't seen Eternals

Not honestly sure it's notably weaker than any phase other than 3 either. Spider-Man was REALLY GOOD and the others were enjoyable. Not amazing but most of the MCU movies aren't

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MartinFF7
04/18/23 4:07:34 PM
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i liked Shang-Chi and Spider-man.... and maybe Doctor Strange.

Varying degrees of apathy to outright dislike for the other four, but at least Thor's the only one of those four I paid to watch in theatres.
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bryans7
04/18/23 4:09:39 PM
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I liked Shang-Chi, Dr. Strange, and Black Widow.

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Mythiot
04/18/23 4:14:14 PM
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Shang-Chi, Spider-Man, and Black Panther
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pezzicle
04/18/23 4:20:20 PM
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I havent even seen any of them yet lol except Spider-Man

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junk_funk
04/18/23 4:20:36 PM
#9:


Shang-Chi > Spider-Man > Doctor Strange > Black Panther

All four were good quality. Which is close to on par with every phase, with having a few that kind of suck.

However, the shows were an objective nightmare. Loki and Hawkeye started good and then really sucked the last few episodes, with either hardly making sense at all. Ms. Marvel, She Hulk, and Moon Knight were just bad tv front to back.

Wandavision and Falcon were great and pretty good respectively.

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tyder21
04/18/23 4:24:21 PM
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I liked all of them except a very soft "like" for Thor. Guess I'm easy to please - easily the weakest phase though.

That said, I think Quantumania is bottom two MCU. Bad start to Phase 5.

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LightningStrikes
04/18/23 4:30:51 PM
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I went with 6 but I didnt really dislike Thor. It was just kind of there. Really the actual issue was not not liking the films, but not really loving any of them except No Way Home.

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XIII_Rocks
04/18/23 4:33:49 PM
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I liked them all except Thor, which pissed me off to no end

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MarkS2222222222
04/18/23 4:47:33 PM
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junk_funk posted...
and Moon Knight
I'm curious, what didn't you like about Moon Knight? That was the only one I enjoyed side from how they suddenly defeated Ammit with some chant out of nowhere. I had low expectations coming in though

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Lopen
04/18/23 5:09:42 PM
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Moon Knight main character was infuriatingly stupid in terms of common sense which was a major turn off for me

"Hey let's plead with this combat god to stop beating these bad guys up so they can beat me up"

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Johnbobb
04/18/23 5:12:20 PM
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Loved Spiderman and Dr Strange
Liked Shang Chi and Eternals
Black Panther and Black Widow were ok
Disliked Thor 4

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User728
04/18/23 5:18:53 PM
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XIII_Rocks posted...
I liked them all except Thor, which pissed me off to no end

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junk_funk
04/18/23 5:27:56 PM
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MarkS2222222222 posted...
I'm curious, what didn't you like about Moon Knight? That was the only one I enjoyed side from how they suddenly defeated Ammit with some chant out of nowhere. I had low expectations coming in though

Personally, I just thought the action/fight scenes were either skipped or lacking. I really wanted to see that bathroom fight and a few others. Mythology was tough to keep track of. And the villains didn't sell me.


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FoolFantastic
04/18/23 5:29:27 PM
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I liked Spider-Man, Shang-Chi and Black Panther

Dr. Strange, Black Widow, and Eternals were merely fine

Absolutely hated Thor 4

Nothing in my love range, when I do have a handful from the earlier phases

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tcaz2
04/18/23 5:34:50 PM
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Spider-Man 3 was top tier
Shang-Chi and Black Panther 2 were both good
Black Widow and Dr. Strange I had major problems with but were watchable
Eternals was bad
Thor 4 was garbage
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malyg
04/18/23 5:37:41 PM
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i haven't watched any of them yet, what was wrong with thor 4?
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LightningStrikes
04/18/23 5:54:46 PM
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Very tonally inconsistent, jams two disparate storylines together, looks kind of bad because of overreliance on CG and lots of the jokes didnt hit.

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SeabassDebeste
04/18/23 6:09:00 PM
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really enjoyed shang chi, though that was the only one i watched

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colliding
04/18/23 6:23:53 PM
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Wakanda Forever > SM3 > Dr Strange > Thor 4 > Shang Chi > Eternals > Black Widow

None of them are in my MCU top 10

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Bitto
04/18/23 6:49:19 PM
#25:


5

Doctor Strange 2 > Wakanda Forever > Shang Chi > Spider-Man 3 > Eternals > Thor 4 > Black Widow

Doctor Strange 2 is probably a top 5 MCU movie for me. Wakanda, Shang Chi, and Spider-Man are all relatively high. Eternals is mid. Thor 4 probably made me feel the worst because I was so hyped for it, but it probably has better individual moments than Black Widow, like the Gorr fight on the planet.

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most_games_r_ok
04/18/23 6:57:16 PM
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Spider-Man is the only one I bothered to watch so that

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PrivateBiscuit1
04/18/23 6:58:06 PM
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I'd say I liked Spidey 3, Doctor Strange 2, and Shang Chi, then there's a gap between how much I liked Eternals and Wakanda Forever, and then I actively disliked Thor and Black Widow. Thor Love & Thunder is probably one of my least liked MCU films ever. Bottom 5 easy.

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Shattered
04/18/23 7:03:11 PM
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I know that I must have a really higher threshold for shit / low threshold for entertainment because whenever people complain about them being bad, I just kinda shrug and think I enjoyed it at least.

I didn't see Black Panther or Eternals yet, saw the rest and liked them all. Same with all the miniseries that I've seen (haven't seen them all but there weren't any I disliked)
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MarkS2222222222
04/18/23 7:19:12 PM
#29:


Lopen posted...
Moon Knight main character was infuriatingly stupid in terms of common sense which was a major turn off for me
But not for No Way Home?

At least with Moon Knight, you can write it off as he's a traumatized schizophrenic. Spider-Man and Dr. Strange are supposed to be literal geniuses and then this film starts and suddenly they're impaired

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XIII_Rocks
04/18/23 7:25:44 PM
#30:


Shattered posted...
I know that I must have a really higher threshold for shit / low threshold for entertainment because whenever people complain about them being bad, I just kinda shrug and think I enjoyed it at least.

No I'm basically the same. I like every MCU thing, movie or show, to some degree

Except Thor 4.

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LightningStrikes
04/18/23 7:31:24 PM
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I still dont think the MCU has ever dipped below okay including the TV stuff, although I havent seen Quantumania yet and that sounds like it could be the one to do it. Then again I thought the same of Thor 4 and while I didnt like it I really dont feel mad about it at all. I was much more disappointed by Doctor Strange 2, which I liked but is easily the most disappointed Ive been with an MCU movie.

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MysteriousStan
04/18/23 7:38:33 PM
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Huh. I haven't gone outta my way to watch most of these and I'm only missing Black Panther and Black Widow. Spiderman was fantastic. The rest were fine. Didn't really hate any of them.

But yeah, not keeping up with the MCU cause I have other stuff I want to spend my time on rather than watching tie in shows.
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Lopen
04/18/23 7:41:34 PM
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Strange and Spidey are nothing like Moon Knight's flavor of stupidity, no.

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Lopen
04/18/23 7:45:37 PM
#34:


Also I would say Moon Knight's stupidity is not explained away by that spoiler tag at all (but Strange's is by him being egotistical and Parker's by him being young)

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BlueCrystalTear
04/18/23 8:42:24 PM
#35:


I saw Black Widow and enjoyed it enough, but I wouldn't say it was phenomenal or anything. Didn't go to see any of the others and the only reason can be summed up as "Blah blah blah superhero fatigue."

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Suprak_the_Stud
04/18/23 9:41:44 PM
#36:


MoM > NWH > Shang Chi > Thor 4 > Wakanda Forever > Black Widow > Eternals

MoM was the only one I liked and even that had issues. Everything below Shang Chi was pretty bad

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guffguy89
04/18/23 10:09:23 PM
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most_games_r_ok posted...
Spider-Man is the only one I bothered to watch so that


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Mr_Lasastryke
04/19/23 2:17:57 AM
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at least parker goes through a character arc and becomes less stupid throughout the movie.

maybe moon knight does too (haven't seen the show yet) but yeah.

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Crescent-Moon
04/19/23 2:43:08 AM
#39:


Eternals is currently the definition of "Movie I watched that was completely forgettable to me in every way".

I barely remember Shang-Chi enough to have any real impression on it at the moment.

Black Widow and Thor were.. "Ok"

Spiderman, Strange, Wakana were good enough.

She-Hulk and Moon Knight were both awful, but at least Moon Knight actually tried. I initially felt She-Hulk was kind of ok, but over time I soured on it a lot. That last episode is an awful failure of a joke that sums up a show that never felt like it had any sort of consistent purpose or plot. It never had a clue what it was doing at any point during it's run, so it basically just copped out on everything and almost entirely retconned itself. Ok then.

Actually She-Hulk might just be the worst one, period, regardless of phase.

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TomNook
04/19/23 4:22:10 AM
#40:


Shattered posted...
I know that I must have a really higher threshold for shit / low threshold for entertainment because whenever people complain about them being bad, I just kinda shrug and think I enjoyed it at least.
It has to do with the types of films people watch. A lot of modern viewers just watch super hero films and whatever the hottest blockbusters are. They don't really have too high of film standards because their hobbies are dedicated to other things. So they like all of these movies because they land in an easily digestible comfort zone and play out exactly how they expect and want.

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SHINE_GET_64
04/19/23 4:59:02 AM
#41:


Black widow and eternals were kind of whatever but I liked all the rest

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LinkMarioSamus
04/19/23 5:31:12 AM
#42:


Also, Ms. Marvel was my 2nd favorite installment in Phase 4 after Spider-Man, but I think I understand where a lot of the criticisms come from and I'm not going to call anyone who doesn't like it racist or sexist. Still felt like it gave me what I wanted out of Captain Marvel though. MAYBE my own South Asian heritage helped me understand some of the cultural references but I don't think it made the show for me or anything, especially since I'm not of Pakistani descent. Reminded me more of vintage John Hughes than anything, really.

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Mr_Lasastryke
04/19/23 5:59:42 AM
#43:


TomNook posted...
It has to do with the types of films people watch. A lot of modern viewers just watch super hero films and whatever the hottest blockbusters are. They don't really have too high of film standards because their hobbies are dedicated to other things. So they like all of these movies because they land in an easily digestible comfort zone and play out exactly how they expect and want.

it's still weird to me, though. like, phase 1 wasn't that great either but i feel like the bar was really raised in phases 2/3. i'd say even the best phase 4 movie (no way home) is merely "good" and not nearly as great as the best from the phases 2/3 era (winter soldier, infinity war).

so i'm kind of surprised at how uncritical/lenient a lot of people in this topic are to the movies now that we're regressing to a phase 1 level of quality. i'd expect people to want more than second-rate MCU at this point.

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LightningStrikes
04/19/23 6:22:19 AM
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I would say its the other way around and aside from Phase 3 the MCU was more just hitting a baseline of okay to decent, which Phase 4 more or less also hit. Even Phase 2 was not that great. The third best Phase 2 movie is Ant-Man 1, a movie I really like, but is probably not as good as even the third best Phase 4 movie (Wakanda Forever). Phase 3 was a mix of a few lucky hits and building up to a huge climax that had never been done before. It was not the norm.

Of course the actual issue with Phase 4 was not the individual quality of projects. The issue was content barf, which they now seem to have a handle on.

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Mr_Lasastryke
04/19/23 6:31:17 AM
#45:


i agree that phase 2 was not that great and uneven but it still had two great movies (winter soldier, guardians of the galaxy). phase 4 had one (and i even think no way home being great is debatable, like i said). for that reason, i think the comparison with phase 1 is more apt, as that phase also had just one great movie (avengers, obviously, though i get that a lot of people will say that the original iron man is also great).

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FFDragon
04/19/23 8:46:07 AM
#46:


Original Iron Man was great and MCU tropes weren't known then which helps it a lot.

The burnout is real to me. I made it to Moon Knight but haven't watched anything since.

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Sceptilesolar
04/19/23 9:05:24 AM
#47:


Oops, I forgot Shang-Chi when I voted. I liked Spiderman and Shang-Chi. The only other one I watched was Doctor Strange, which I disliked.

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Cybat
04/19/23 12:21:43 PM
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My biggest gripe with Moon Knight was everything involving the other gods and their avatars. They hold a trial and the accused guy defends himself and no one asks any further questions and later then he comes back and kills them and literally nothing was gained by including any of this. Really frustrating especially after Thor 4's strange worldbuilding choices.

But yeah there are very obvious flaws in all of the phase 4 productions but I still enjoyed a majority of them. Glad they are slowing down now though.

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LightningStrikes
04/19/23 12:41:32 PM
#49:


Watching Iron Man 1 a year after it came out, post-hype and post-watching The Incredible Hulk as it played on TV first where I was it was pretty good but even as early as that I found it underwhelming relative to its early reception. I might be being too harsh to it, some day I will revisit it. However for now its around the middle of Phase 1 and comfortably below Iron Man 3 as those films go. I know many disagree!

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Crescent-Moon
04/19/23 12:45:32 PM
#50:


Cybat posted...
My biggest gripe with Moon Knight was everything involving the other gods and their avatars. They hold a trial and the accused guy defends himself and no one asks any further questions and later then he comes back and kills them and literally nothing was gained by including any of this. Really frustrating especially after Thor 4's strange worldbuilding choices.

But yeah there are very obvious flaws in all of the phase 4 productions but I still enjoyed a majority of them. Glad they are slowing down now though.
Almost everything to do with the "gods" aspect of Moon Knight felt underwhelming.

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mnk
04/19/23 2:56:38 PM
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The gods in Moon Knight felt less ridiculous after Thor 4 revealed that the vast majority of gods are just too far up their own asses to pay any attention to mortals.

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