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ctesjbuvf 03/13/23 7:45:27 AM #101:	wallmasterz posted... So you felt so strongly about your painfully obviously wrong read on death you killed him n1 instead of sultan, someone you suspected so strongly you were willing to vote for him without even properly catching up? Man I was the only vote on him at the time. I had skimmed the second half of the topic to know it would not change my current view on Sultan at the time, I just mads that remark to let it be known I was not completely dug into what what was also happening Sultan going for Chris was obviously a point towards him being town once Chris flipped. Death pulled a give up move that had just made Peaf ride a full game as confirmed town in the eyes of everyone. I thought Death and Chris voting for the same person and not each other looked bad. I mean, I'm not going to act like shooting Death was not a huge misplay on my part --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:972139640] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>wallmasterz posted... </cite><quote>So you felt so strongly about your painfully obviously wrong read on death you killed him n1 instead of sultan, someone you suspected so strongly you were willing to vote for him without even properly catching up?</quote>Man I was the only vote on him at the time. I had skimmed the second half of the topic to know it would not change my current view on Sultan at the time, I just mads that remark to let it be known I was not completely dug into what what was also happeningSultan going for Chris was obviously a point towards him being town once Chris flipped. Death pulled a give up move that had just made Peaf ride a full game as confirmed town in the eyes of everyone. I thought Death and Chris voting for the same person and not each other looked bad.I mean, I'm not going to act like shooting Death was not a huge misplay on my part </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wallmasterz 03/13/23 7:46:35 AM #102:	If ctes flips scum it tells us a lot about jc. After my post 8.070-8.071 jc suddenly votes sultan (sultan) then defends ctes and asks everyone for an updated PoE all in the following half dozen posts. Lol. --- I need to update my signature. <cite>wallmasterz posted [p:972139655] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>If ctes flips scum it tells us a lot about jc. After my post 8.070-8.071 jc suddenly votes sultan (sultan) then defends ctes and asks everyone for an updated PoE all in the following half dozen posts. Lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 03/13/23 7:49:58 AM #103:	I don't think Chris being scum and going to sleep tells us anything about anyone given that it got himself killed. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:972139686] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>I don't think Chris being scum and going to sleep tells us anything about anyone given that it got himself killed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wallmasterz 03/13/23 7:51:07 AM #104:	ctesjbuvf posted... Yes, but I'm honestly a bit tired of repeating this part at this point hence why I said you would know. I thought Sultan's reasoning towards voting JC for his list day 1 was pretty backwards. He did not seem as if he had a specific reason for that vote but seemed to jump between a few different reasons. Then the whole thing about not realizing I was asked to make a list despite being told numerous times. I know I read the exchange about the list 3 or 4 times now lol. Isnt the list thing more consistent with concussed town? Wouldnt scum be a little more focused than that? He did not seem as if he had a specific reason for that vote but seemed to jump between a few different reasons Some might call this having multiple reasons. Or just casting a vote to see how someone reacts. Did it bug you, sultan voting for jc? --- I need to update my signature. <cite>wallmasterz posted [p:972139697] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>ctesjbuvf posted... </cite><quote>Yes, but I'm honestly a bit tired of repeating this part at this point hence why I said you would know. I thought Sultan's reasoning towards voting JC for his list day 1 was pretty backwards. He did not seem as if he had a specific reason for that vote but seemed to jump between a few different reasons. Then the whole thing about not realizing I was asked to make a list despite being told numerous times.</quote>I know I read the exchange about the list 3 or 4 times now lol. Isnt the list thing more consistent with concussed town? Wouldnt scum be a little more focused than that? He did not seem as if he had a specific reason for that vote but seemed to jump between a few different reasonsSome might call this having multiple reasons. Or just casting a vote to see how someone reacts. Did it bug you, sultan voting for jc? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wallmasterz 03/13/23 7:51:49 AM #105:	ctesjbuvf posted... I don't think Chris being scum and going to sleep tells us anything about anyone given that it got himself killed. --- I need to update my signature. <cite>wallmasterz posted [p:972139702] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>ctesjbuvf posted... </cite><quote>I don't think Chris being scum and going to sleep tells us anything about anyone given that it got himself killed.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wallmasterz 03/13/23 7:52:52 AM #106:	You heard it here first folks there is no meaningful info to discern from Chris being scum (and going to sleep) --- I need to update my signature. <cite>wallmasterz posted [p:972139710] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>You heard it here first folks there is no meaningful info to discern from Chris being scum (and going to sleep)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 03/13/23 7:53:32 AM #107:	Shooting Death is simply a horrible read because it has been proved wrong. I felt good about it when I made it. Some of these posts feel a bit like choosing a conclusion first and trying to have everything fit the narrative. Partly but not only because you're attacking a bunch of things here late into day 3 that you knew already day 2. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:972139713] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>Shooting Death is simply a horrible read because it has been proved wrong. I felt good about it when I made it.Some of these posts feel a bit like choosing a conclusion first and trying to have everything fit the narrative. Partly but not only because you're attacking a bunch of things here late into day 3 that you knew already day 2.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSultanOfSlam 03/13/23 7:58:32 AM #108:	Walls my 1 question on your Ctes iso. Why death when Death was still probably a mislynch option for scum day 2. I think I know this answer just want to see if we're on the same page --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:972139771] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>Walls my 1 question on your Ctes iso.Why death when Death was still probably a mislynch option for scum day 2. I think I know this answer just want to see if we're on the same page</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 03/13/23 7:59:08 AM #109:	wallmasterz posted... I know I read the exchange about the list 3 or 4 times now lol. Isnt the list thing more consistent with concussed town? Wouldnt scum be a little more focused than that? And yet you ask me to repeat myself. I said back then I had held back a bit because of the mentioned concussion. Sultan tends to be towncleared on making blunders like that, so no, I don't think so. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:972139780] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>wallmasterz posted... </cite><quote>I know I read the exchange about the list 3 or 4 times now lol. Isnt the list thing more consistent with concussed town? Wouldnt scum be a little more focused than that?</quote>And yet you ask me to repeat myself. I said back then I had held back a bit because of the mentioned concussion.Sultan tends to be towncleared on making blunders like that, so no, I don't think so.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wallmasterz 03/13/23 8:00:39 AM #110:	Add 5.260 (ulti being the voice of reason), 5.263 and 5.266 to the list of supporting evidence when we go after scum jc next. --- I need to update my signature. <cite>wallmasterz posted [p:972139803] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>Add 5.260 (ulti being the voice of reason), 5.263 and 5.266 to the list of supporting evidence when we go after scum jc next.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 03/13/23 8:01:52 AM #111:	wallmasterz posted... You heard it here first folks there is no meaningful info to discern from Chris being scum (and going to sleep) This is like journalist levels of misquoting, take those words out of the parenthesis. Chris himself was scum and was on the table but went to sleep and didn't return. This is all known. But you're making a point that I should know Death was town because otherwise Chris would not go to sleep. We literally know he went to sleep despite scum being on the table. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:972139818] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>wallmasterz posted... </cite><quote>You heard it here first folks there is no meaningful info to discern from Chris being scum (and going to sleep)</quote>This is like journalist levels of misquoting, take those words out of the parenthesis. Chris himself was scum and was on the table but went to sleep and didn't return. This is all known. But you're making a point that I should know Death was town because otherwise Chris would not go to sleep. We literally know he went to sleep despite scum being on the table.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheSultanOfSlam 03/13/23 8:10:17 AM #113:	Also for Ctes and JC. I thought JC was scum when he claimed(his claim didnt make me thinkvhe was townier) why would I give scum information that I am not actually a power and just used to mess with his scum track. The fact he isn't a full tracker makes me think that he is totally the scum motion detector rather than a town tracker I've mentioned this before and if he motion scaned me I could have ate possibly ate a shot from scum. It's only a miller if I knew JC was town. I don't understand your argument. Jc knows he is town I don't so how is this the same as a miller that only messes with Town cops. Even when I claimed I mentioned that I've been driving myself crazy about it beacuse I know JC is a tracker of sort only makes sense but I also was still hopeful to eat a scan The thing today that made me feel better a bit about JC is he said he was trying to scan BCT to basically clear him if he didnt move. The thing that isn't good is he ended up on Ulti not sure how that really happens. Busdriver?? Oh fuck BCT being Busdriver makes so much sense now if you think about it. He was freaking out about being tracked if he was tracked we would see he moved JC to Ulti. Right? --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:972139890] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>Also for Ctes and JC. I thought JC was scum when he claimed(his claim didnt make me thinkvhe was townier) why would I give scum information that I am not actually a power and just used to mess with his scum track. The fact he isn't a full tracker makes me think that he is totally the scum motion detector rather than a town tracker I've mentioned this before and if he motion scaned me I could have ate possibly ate a shot from scum. It's only a miller if I knew JC was town. I don't understand your argument.Jc knows he is town I don't so how is this the same as a miller that only messes with Town cops. Even when I claimed I mentioned that I've been driving myself crazy about it beacuse I know JC is a tracker of sort only makes sense but I also was still hopeful to eat a scan The thing today that made me feel better a bit about JC is he said he was trying to scan BCT to basically clear him if he didnt move. The thing that isn't good is he ended up on Ulti not sure how that really happens. Busdriver?? Oh fuck BCT being Busdriver makes so much sense now if you think about it. He was freaking out about being tracked if he was tracked we would see he moved JC to Ulti. Right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSultanOfSlam 03/13/23 8:11:19 AM #114:	Or could BCT be a varient? Like anyone who visits you now goes to your target? I feel like BCT is involved with this some how. --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:972139905] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>Or could BCT be a varient? Like anyone who visits you now goes to your target? I feel like BCT is involved with this some how. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 03/13/23 8:11:33 AM #115:	A lot of this attack is based on someone playing 4D chess and yet when JC makes a much simpler defense of me, he gets a wifom argument thrown directly at him. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:972139907] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>A lot of this attack is based on someone playing 4D chess and yet when JC makes a much simpler defense of me, he gets a wifom argument thrown directly at him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wallmasterz 03/13/23 8:15:32 AM #116:	ulti you said theres an ocean between deaths death and bus driver. You called it immediately lol --- I need to update my signature. <cite>wallmasterz posted [p:972139941] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>ulti you said theres an ocean between deaths death and bus driver. You called it immediately lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 03/13/23 8:25:40 AM #117:	wallmasterz posted... Look, isquen might be scum. Its a reasonable conclusion atm. But what the hell will it really tell us if he is? And what Im slowly allowing myself to consider, wtf if hes somehow town? Isquen has already decided to roll over and play dead lol. We can revisit. I dont know the specifics of how vigilante typically works but ctes blew his load n1. Therefore Im assuming if hes telling the truth (I doubt this so much now, to say the least) he is now town vanilla status most likely, right? I cant see where its any more harmful a mislynch than a hypothetical where claimed town vanilla Isquen surprises us all by turning up town. I think what the "hell will it tell of if Isquen is scum" as a reason to not vote there is perhaps the worst point you've made you've made today. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:972140044] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>wallmasterz posted... </cite><quote>Look, isquen might be scum. Its a reasonable conclusion atm. But what the hell will it really tell us if he is? And what Im slowly allowing myself to consider, wtf if hes somehow town? Isquen has already decided to roll over and play dead lol. We can revisit.I dont know the specifics of how vigilante typically works but ctes blew his load n1. Therefore Im assuming if hes telling the truth (I doubt this so much now, to say the least) he is now town vanilla status most likely, right? I cant see where its any more harmful a mislynch than a hypothetical where claimed town vanilla Isquen surprises us all by turning up town.</quote>I think what the "hell will it tell of if Isquen is scum" as a reason to not vote there is perhaps the worst point you've made you've made today.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSultanOfSlam 03/13/23 8:26:29 AM #118:	Wait so you guys are now saying town busdriver picked ctes correctly as the person who sent in the kill, sent him to death of all people?? What?! --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:972140055] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>Wait so you guys are now saying town busdriver picked ctes correctly as the person who sent in the kill, sent him to death of all people?? What?! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSultanOfSlam 03/13/23 8:30:18 AM #119:	Either I'm not reading correctly or I'm out in left field this morning --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:972140100] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>Either I'm not reading correctly or I'm out in left field this morning </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 03/13/23 8:35:05 AM #120:	Does Wall make this move as town that gets excited about making points and desperately wants to be right? What's the scum equity in going full force into me here? Wall wanting to use my flip to springboard onto claimed power JC is not exactly gonna work. Is it getting attention away from anything? --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:972140151] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>Does Wall make this move as town that gets excited about making points and desperately wants to be right?What's the scum equity in going full force into me here? Wall wanting to use my flip to springboard onto claimed power JC is not exactly gonna work. Is it getting attention away from anything?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSultanOfSlam 03/13/23 8:39:23 AM #121:	ctesjbuvf posted... Does Wall make this move as town that gets excited about making points and desperately wants to be right? What's the scum equity in going full force into me here? Wall wanting to use my flip to springboard onto claimed power JC is not exactly gonna work. Is it getting attention away from anything? Take attention away from vote leading BCT? Or he really thought he was onto something as newbie town. Hmm good question. If im not being an idiot I think his argument did the opposite of what he was intending and I'd say you're pretty confirmed town other than mickey Mouse arguments of all the stars aligning --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:972140197] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>ctesjbuvf posted... </cite><quote>Does Wall make this move as town that gets excited about making points and desperately wants to be right?What's the scum equity in going full force into me here? Wall wanting to use my flip to springboard onto claimed power JC is not exactly gonna work. Is it getting attention away from anything?</quote>Take attention away from vote leading BCT? Or he really thought he was onto something as newbie town.Hmm good question. If im not being an idiot I think his argument did the opposite of what he was intending and I'd say you're pretty confirmed town other than mickey Mouse arguments of all the stars aligning</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wallmasterz 03/13/23 8:40:04 AM #122:	TheSultanOfSlam posted... Walls my 1 question on your Ctes iso. Why death when Death was still probably a mislynch option for scum day 2. I think I know this answer just want to see if we're on the same page sorry Sultan just noticed this. I mentioned a bit ago, I think the goal was picking someone who wouldnt traditionally make sense as a scum target so ctes could claim town vig. Han, who I believe is town, was convinced scum would not shoot death. Imo, all the more reason. --- I need to update my signature. <cite>wallmasterz posted [p:972140205] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>TheSultanOfSlam posted... </cite><quote>Walls my 1 question on your Ctes iso.Why death when Death was still probably a mislynch option for scum day 2. I think I know this answer just want to see if we're on the same page</quote>sorry Sultan just noticed this. I mentioned a bit ago, I think the goal was picking someone who wouldnt traditionally make sense as a scum target so ctes could claim town vig. Han, who I believe is town, was convinced scum would not shoot death. Imo, all the more reason. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wallmasterz 03/13/23 8:42:12 AM #123:	ctesjbuvf posted... Does Wall make this move as town that gets excited about making points and desperately wants to be right? What's the scum equity in going full force into me here? Wall wanting to use my flip to springboard onto claimed power JC is not exactly gonna work. Is it getting attention away from anything? Smart move getting my fellow townies to consider all the reasons Im wrong in as subtle a way as possible. you seem pretty defensive. --- I need to update my signature. <cite>wallmasterz posted [p:972140235] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>ctesjbuvf posted... </cite><quote>Does Wall make this move as town that gets excited about making points and desperately wants to be right?What's the scum equity in going full force into me here? Wall wanting to use my flip to springboard onto claimed power JC is not exactly gonna work. Is it getting attention away from anything?</quote>Smart move getting my fellow townies to consider all the reasons Im wrong in as subtle a way as possible. you seem pretty defensive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSultanOfSlam 03/13/23 8:43:30 AM #124:	wallmasterz posted... sorry Sultan just noticed this. I mentioned a bit ago, I think the goal was picking someone who wouldnt traditionally make sense as a scum target so ctes could claim town vig. Han, who I believe is town, was convinced scum would not shoot death. Imo, all the more reason. I was slightly thinking that too is if he was a scum regular shot oh I was shooting the other vote leader I thought I was doing us a favor. Though it looks a bit more odd since Chris flipped town. Where was the argument busdriver was involved im so dumb --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:972140252] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>wallmasterz posted... </cite><quote>sorry Sultan just noticed this. I mentioned a bit ago, I think the goal was picking someone who wouldnt traditionally make sense as a scum target so ctes could claim town vig. Han, who I believe is town, was convinced scum would not shoot death. Imo, all the more reason.</quote>I was slightly thinking that too is if he was a scum regular shot oh I was shooting the other vote leader I thought I was doing us a favor. Though it looks a bit more odd since Chris flipped town. Where was the argument busdriver was involved im so dumb </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheSultanOfSlam 03/13/23 8:50:58 AM #126:	UltimaterializerX posted... Because it made no sense with my role. Redirect I could buy, but pure bus is a lot to ask for. The point is I think someone mentioning bus slipped. Unless someone mentioned it before today when JC believed he had to have been bus driver from BCT to you --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:972140327] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>UltimaterializerX posted... </cite><quote>Because it made no sense with my role. Redirect I could buy, but pure bus is a lot to ask for. The point is I think someone mentioning bus slipped.</quote>Unless someone mentioned it before today when JC believed he had to have been bus driver from BCT to you </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSultanOfSlam 03/13/23 8:55:09 AM #127:	Simpler explanation. JC could be roleblocker and needed a reason to why he went to Ulti? Role blocked Creasent Night 1 roleblocked Ulti night 2? Why we dont have a scan result from her? --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:972140367] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>Simpler explanation. JC could be roleblocker and needed a reason to why he went to Ulti? Role blocked Creasent Night 1 roleblocked Ulti night 2?Why we dont have a scan result from her? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSultanOfSlam 03/13/23 8:55:34 AM #128:	But then my role would be useless my brain hurts! --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:972140374] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>But then my role would be useless my brain hurts!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSultanOfSlam 03/13/23 8:56:42 AM #129:	For that to happen we have a unclaimed tracker somewhere and why they didn't counter claim JC by now is beyond me so idfk! --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:972140389] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>For that to happen we have a unclaimed tracker somewhere and why they didn't counter claim JC by now is beyond me so idfk!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSultanOfSlam 03/13/23 8:59:25 AM #130:	I'm talking to myself apparently. But BCT being a redirecter or busdriver esk role could make sense. The varient is a bit more interesting. Anyone visiting you now visits your target kind of a thing. But why wouldn't a scum BCT also select sending them to the kill? Unless they were setting up this Roleblocker theory? --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:972140424] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>I'm talking to myself apparently. But BCT being a redirecter or busdriver esk role could make sense. The varient is a bit more interesting. Anyone visiting you now visits your target kind of a thing. But why wouldn't a scum BCT also select sending them to the kill? Unless they were setting up this Roleblocker theory? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSultanOfSlam 03/13/23 9:02:09 AM #131:	Well I guess it doesn't have to be BCT doing this he could be an innocent bystand. Scum. Didn't know my role to prove JC is legit tracker. Someone help me work through this thought process I have here --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:972140448] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>Well I guess it doesn't have to be BCT doing this he could be an innocent bystand. Scum. Didn't know my role to prove JC is legit tracker.Someone help me work through this thought process I have here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 03/13/23 9:02:36 AM #132:	Wall, I think you've been reasonable throughout this game, so if you're town, please listen to me here. I need to realize that you are set on a conclusion and are now reading stuff with the intend of making it fit your narrative, not the other way around. This is while you're also not responding to half the points presented to you. JC presented a point to you that if I was scum, I'd have risked actual town killing power outing me immediately by claiming. You called this wifom and instantly ignored it, but it's not truly a wifom case (ironic considering stuff like "scum would purposely shot the most unlikely scum target" is). Your case fully builds on the premise that I took this risk and was lucky that no killing power existed and that scum gave up shooting power to make this gambit. It was not wifom thrown at you, it's presenting to you an assumption that your case builds on and asking you if you think that's most likely. And of course I'm gonna use you going full force on something to try to get a read on you. For what it's worth I think you having read last game and overthinking is the most likely scenario, but I do think it's odd that you went from using my stuff from d1 and early d2 to think "ctes is probably town, probably because I read his gambit in Paper Mario" to use the same stuff to be this confident that I'm scum. That and (and I say this as respectfully as I can) "X being scum is a reasonable conclusion but we learn nothing from the flip if he is" is among the worst reasons to not go after anyone that I recall having seen. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:972140455] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>Wall, I think you've been reasonable throughout this game, so if you're town, please listen to me here. I need to realize that you are set on a conclusion and are now reading stuff with the intend of making it fit your narrative, not the other way around. This is while you're also not responding to half the points presented to you. JC presented a point to you that if I was scum, I'd have risked actual town killing power outing me immediately by claiming. You called this wifom and instantly ignored it, but it's not truly a wifom case (ironic considering stuff like "scum would purposely shot the most unlikely scum target" is). Your case fully builds on the premise that I took this risk and was lucky that no killing power existed and that scum gave up shooting power to make this gambit. It was not wifom thrown at you, it's presenting to you an assumption that your case builds on and asking you if you think that's most likely. And of course I'm gonna use you going full force on something to try to get a read on you. For what it's worth I think you having read last game and overthinking is the most likely scenario, but I do think it's odd that you went from using my stuff from d1 and early d2 to think "ctes is probably town, probably because I read his gambit in Paper Mario" to use the same stuff to be this confident that I'm scum. That and (and I say this as respectfully as I can) "X being scum is a reasonable conclusion but we learn nothing from the flip if he is" is among the worst reasons to not go after anyone that I recall having seen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 03/13/23 9:06:47 AM #133:	If you're being truthful Sultan, I think it's extremely unlikely that JC is not a tracker. You not knowing where you're going would also probably mean that you're not going anywhere and it's not important because the tracker doesn't know that. The events of n1 also makes it quite unlikely that he's scum imo. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:972140508] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>If you're being truthful Sultan, I think it's extremely unlikely that JC is not a tracker. You not knowing where you're going would also probably mean that you're not going anywhere and it's not important because the tracker doesn't know that. The events of n1 also makes it quite unlikely that he's scum imo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 03/13/23 9:08:11 AM #134:	TheSultanOfSlam posted... Anyone visiting you now visits your target kind of a thing. But why wouldn't a scum BCT also select sending them to the kill? Yeah, I don't think this redirection tells us anything about BCT. Your last sentence is part of the reason I believed it came from a town perspective. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:972140529] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>TheSultanOfSlam posted... </cite><quote>Anyone visiting you now visits your target kind of a thing. But why wouldn't a scum BCT also select sending them to the kill?</quote>Yeah, I don't think this redirection tells us anything about BCT. Your last sentence is part of the reason I believed it came from a town perspective. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 03/13/23 9:09:26 AM #135:	TheSultanOfSlam posted... Simpler explanation. JC could be roleblocker and needed a reason to why he went to Ulti? Role blocked Creasent Night 1 roleblocked Ulti night 2? Why we dont have a scan result from her? Also Ulti did not claim roleblocked today, and there'd be no reason not to if he was. Faking redirection is extremely risky. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:972140539] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>TheSultanOfSlam posted... </cite><quote>Simpler explanation. JC could be roleblocker and needed a reason to why he went to Ulti? Role blocked Creasent Night 1 roleblocked Ulti night 2?Why we dont have a scan result from her?</quote>Also Ulti did not claim roleblocked today, and there'd be no reason not to if he was.Faking redirection is extremely risky. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSultanOfSlam 03/13/23 9:14:37 AM #136:	ctesjbuvf posted... Yeah, I don't think this redirection tells us anything about BCT. Your last sentence is part of the reason I believed it came from a town perspective. Okay right sorry BCT. Throwing all that twords you. I needed to work this out and that was one of the explanations. If it makes you feel better now it doesn't look like you're involved unless you're scum and tried to set up making JC look like a roleblocker which could be the case but i dont think it's indicative on you for certain. But I'm thinking this is probably what happened though. Scum was like jc visited Creasent she didn't give her scan off, Jc visits Ulti, ulti doesn't save Creasent.. painting a target on Ulit but JC claims he went to Ulti and not BCT. Hmm maybe JC is roleblocker. I come in today and claim that I am drunk town and foil this scum plan. Or am i way over thinking this? If i can assume this is right I feel a hell of alot better about JC being town --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:972140611] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>ctesjbuvf posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, I don't think this redirection tells us anything about BCT. Your last sentence is part of the reason I believed it came from a town perspective.</quote>Okay right sorry BCT. Throwing all that twords you. I needed to work this out and that was one of the explanations. If it makes you feel better now it doesn't look like you're involved unless you're scum and tried to set up making JC look like a roleblocker which could be the case but i dont think it's indicative on you for certain. But I'm thinking this is probably what happened though.Scum was like jc visited Creasent she didn't give her scan off, Jc visits Ulti, ulti doesn't save Creasent.. painting a target on Ulit but JC claims he went to Ulti and not BCT. Hmm maybe JC is roleblocker. I come in today and claim that I am drunk town and foil this scum plan.Or am i way over thinking this?If i can assume this is right I feel a hell of alot better about JC being town</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSultanOfSlam 03/13/23 9:15:04 AM #137:	ctesjbuvf posted... Also Ulti did not claim roleblocked today, and there'd be no reason not to if he was. Faking redirection is extremely risky. Ah damn I didn't even think this part of the equation. --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:972140617] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>ctesjbuvf posted... </cite><quote>Also Ulti did not claim roleblocked today, and there'd be no reason not to if he was.Faking redirection is extremely risky.</quote>Ah damn I didn't even think this part of the equation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSultanOfSlam 03/13/23 9:15:39 AM #138:	Nvm... I just wasted my time talking myself into a circle --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:972140626] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>Nvm... I just wasted my time talking myself into a circle </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSultanOfSlam 03/13/23 9:16:12 AM #139:	Thank you ctes though I would have got caught in this loop for a long time for absolutely no reason! --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:972140632] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>Thank you ctes though I would have got caught in this loop for a long time for absolutely no reason!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 03/13/23 9:16:46 AM #140:	If I'm right that it comes from a town perspective, it says absolutely nothing about BCT's alignment. Also for what it's worth Sultan, I did like your answer as to why you attacked Crescent for not claiming despite having this role. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:972140639] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>If I'm right that it comes from a town perspective, it says absolutely nothing about BCT's alignment.Also for what it's worth Sultan, I did like your answer as to why you attacked Crescent for not claiming despite having this role.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSultanOfSlam 03/13/23 9:29:49 AM #141:	Okay so JC going to Ulti is still a mystery of sorts everyone is now claimed right? The Crew: 1- BlueCrystalTear- Vanilla 2- ctes- vig 3- EDumey- Neighborizer 4- Han- Vanilla? 5- JC- Weak Tracker 6- Lea- vanilla 7- isquen- did he also claim Vanilla? 8- Sultan- Drunk 9- UltimaterializerX- BP Doctor 10- wallmasterz- vanilla? I think this is right? 5 vanilla? at least 1 of them are probably scum busdriver/redirector idk why town would lie about being bus driver. --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:972140799] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>Okay so JC going to Ulti is still a mystery of sorts everyone is now claimed right?The Crew:1- BlueCrystalTear- Vanilla2- ctes- vig3- EDumey- Neighborizer4- Han- Vanilla?5- JC- Weak Tracker6- Lea- vanilla7- isquen- did he also claim Vanilla?8- Sultan- Drunk9- UltimaterializerX- BP Doctor10- wallmasterz- vanilla?I think this is right?5 vanilla? at least 1 of them are probably scum busdriver/redirector idk why town would lie about being bus driver. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wallmasterz 03/13/23 9:31:17 AM #142:	Ctes I appreciate you taking the time on this and to be clear my vote is by no means locked in. Im just trying to solve this game and I do feel like we are missing a big piece here. I have to get to work but I will try to respond more thoughtfully soon --- I need to update my signature. <cite>wallmasterz posted [p:972140820] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>Ctes I appreciate you taking the time on this and to be clear my vote is by no means locked in. Im just trying to solve this game and I do feel like we are missing a big piece here. I have to get to work but I will try to respond more thoughtfully soon</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueCrystalTear 03/13/23 9:47:01 AM #143:	Let's lynch some scum today. Sultan, your obsession with me is redundant of last time. Please stop frustrating the hell out of me and try to find actual scum. I am Wesley, Town Vanilla. When I flip, the actual redirector will hurt town, and you will look terrible for refusing to listen. Again. A lot comes down to whether there is 3 or 4 total scum. Ctes feels like he's trying to lead the lynch but I admit that I'm not overly good at reading him. So I dunno. Lea is a possibility on a 4-person scum team. Town clearing herself immediately by bussing Chris is certainly a bold strategy, if that's indeed what it is. I don't particularly like her attitude today and it feels distracting and harmful to town figuring out the game. Keep in mind I'm merely exploring this possibility. I think JC is town. Setup Meta time! I don't see a setup where town doesn't have a tracker/watcher here. And "weak tracker" is sort of a prosty, but town (and the target does not know they were the target). This feels like balance shenanigans to me. Town gets a secondary scanner in case anything goes wrong with the cop. I admit I haven't played well and have made numerous mistakes, but I am town. I'm saying we need to lynch someone who at minimum will tell us something about someone else, but preferably someone who is scum. I offer you nothing but a vanilla flip. --- Come check out my movie watchthrough topic: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80167031 <cite>BlueCrystalTear posted [p:972141047] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>Let's lynch some scum today.Sultan, your obsession with me is redundant of last time. Please stop frustrating the hell out of me and try to find actual scum. I am Wesley, Town Vanilla. When I flip, the actual redirector will hurt town, and you will look terrible for refusing to listen. Again. A lot comes down to whether there is 3 or 4 total scum. Ctes feels like he's trying to lead the lynch but I admit that I'm not overly good at reading him. So I dunno. Lea is a possibility on a 4-person scum team. Town clearing herself immediately by bussing Chris is certainly a bold strategy, if that's indeed what it is. I don't particularly like her attitude today and it feels distracting and harmful to town figuring out the game. Keep in mind I'm merely exploring this possibility.I think JC is town. Setup Meta time! I don't see a setup where town doesn't have a tracker/watcher here. And "weak tracker" is sort of a prosty, but town (and the target does not know they were the target). This feels like balance shenanigans to me. Town gets a secondary scanner in case anything goes wrong with the cop. I admit I haven't played well and have made numerous mistakes, but I am town. I'm saying we need to lynch someone who at minimum will tell us something about someone else, but preferably someone who is scum. I offer you nothing but a vanilla flip.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSultanOfSlam 03/13/23 9:55:55 AM #144:	BlueCrystalTear posted... Sultan, your obsession with me is redundant of last time. Please stop frustrating the hell out of me and try to find actual scum. I am Wesley, Town Vanilla. When I flip, the actual redirector will hurt town, and you will look terrible for refusing to listen. Again. Litterally what I am doing.. You only came up again beacuse being involved with the redirection. Like ctes said its not indicative of you at all unless you're said redirector which that be hard. I even apologized to you If it makes you feel better ##unvote I'm not clearing you yet but I dont see the need of keep pushing it at the moment when I think figuring out the redirector is a bit more important at the moment --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:972141152] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>BlueCrystalTear posted... </cite><quote>Sultan, your obsession with me is redundant of last time. Please stop frustrating the hell out of me and try to find actual scum. I am Wesley, Town Vanilla. When I flip, the actual redirector will hurt town, and you will look terrible for refusing to listen. Again.</quote>Litterally what I am doing.. You only came up again beacuse being involved with the redirection. Like ctes said its not indicative of you at all unless you're said redirector which that be hard. I even apologized to youIf it makes you feel better ##unvoteI'm not clearing you yet but I dont see the need of keep pushing it at the moment when I think figuring out the redirector is a bit more important at the moment</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheSultanOfSlam 03/13/23 10:03:26 AM #146:	Your reaction is to JCs scan directed at you is still all kinda of backwards so that is still there but for now. I want to look at 2 people isquen and dumey. Scum neighborizer isn't out of the realm of possibilities. And choosing someone who seems the most town is a good play for a scum neighborizer. Isquen is kind of the cop out. He has been mostly inactive and taking over for someone who was also mostly inactive. Let me look at the veto list and kill list Chris made if I can find it I want to say Dumey was on his veto list? My memory sucks right now --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:972141255] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>Your reaction is to JCs scan directed at you is still all kinda of backwards so that is still there but for now.I want to look at 2 people isquen and dumey. Scum neighborizer isn't out of the realm of possibilities. And choosing someone who seems the most town is a good play for a scum neighborizer. Isquen is kind of the cop out. He has been mostly inactive and taking over for someone who was also mostly inactive. Let me look at the veto list and kill list Chris made if I can find it I want to say Dumey was on his veto list? My memory sucks right now</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 03/13/23 10:10:17 AM #147:	His veto list was Crescent, Wall and JC --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:972141361] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>His veto list was Crescent, Wall and JC</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSultanOfSlam 03/13/23 10:10:35 AM #148:	SirChris posted... Anyway my precious kouhai we are getting down to the latter stages of the day. Let's play a game 3 people you would murder. 3 people you are vetoing from a lynch. Let's see what consensus says Murder: han, ulti, Sultan Veto: jc, wall, Crescent Ah Dumey wasn't but Wallz was. Dumey had Ulti on his kill list too. I don't think Ulti claimed yet --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:972141362] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote><cite>SirChris posted... </cite><quote>Anyway my precious kouhai we are getting down to the latter stages of the day. Let's play a game3 people you would murder. 3 people you are vetoing from a lynch. Let's see what consensus saysMurder: han, ulti, Sultan Veto: jc, wall, Crescent</quote>Ah Dumey wasn't but Wallz was.Dumey had Ulti on his kill list too. I don't think Ulti claimed yet</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSultanOfSlam 03/13/23 10:12:49 AM #149:	ctesjbuvf posted... His veto list was Crescent, Wall and JC Ninjaed --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:972141408] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>ctesjbuvf posted... </cite><quote>His veto list was Crescent, Wall and JC</quote>Ninjaed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueCrystalTear 03/13/23 10:25:49 AM #150:	Knowing Chris, he's playing mind games with that list. I think there's only one scum among those six... or maybe the entire rest of his team. I wouldn't read into it much by itself. I compiled everyone's votes so we could figure things out once we had more info, but I still think we're missing something important... --- Come check out my movie watchthrough topic: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80167031 <cite>BlueCrystalTear posted [p:972141606] in Star Trek ... [t:80377095]...</cite> <quote>Knowing Chris, he's playing mind games with that list. I think there's only one scum among those six... or maybe the entire rest of his team. I wouldn't read into it much by itself. I compiled everyone's votes so we could figure things out once we had more info, but I still think we're missing something important... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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