Board 8 > Star Trek Mafia - Topic 8: Attention Boardaytan Workers!

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BlueCrystalTear posted...

How can one have a "scum slip" when one is town? Explain.

Said "town" isnt Town.

If you had to pick who we lynch today say I name you king who you lynching outta

JC, Isquen or Dumey.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

If there are 3 scum left, a simple prosty or vanilla cop would suffice

are... are you suggesting scum prosty and cop here?

i'm not sure i followed that message perfectly

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Said "town" isnt Town.

Oh, I misread my role PM, then?

##unvote
##vote: Sultan

Didn't the two of you do this in a previous game?

And I said "hey you're both Town"

and then you both were Town?

Chaeix posted...

are... are you suggesting scum prosty and cop here?

i'm not sure i followed that message perfectly

I'm saying with a smaller scum team, more powerful roles are probable. With a larger scum team, weaker, though still sufficient, roles are more probable. Does that make sense?

Sorry if that wasn't clear!

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Didn't the two of you do this in a previous game?

And I said "hey you're both Town"

and then you both were Town?

Yes and I told Sultan that I am town and to not repeat history.

He didn't listen, ergo I think he's scum.

When I flip town, because I AM FUCKING TOWN, SULTAN, OKAY?, I want an apology.

bct your whole defense has been god Im so obviously town

are you really wondering why sultan may not take that at face value

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Oh, I misread my role PM, then?

##unvote
##vote: Sultan

This litterally made me lol.

I asked for your read and you ignored it. I've given you opportunity to look better and it hasn't happened that much.

I've been willing to move off you all day and I haven't found that reason other than keep looking back to my JC read from yesterday

Yep, I know I was inactive. I don't know what to say, because all of my day 2 reads were wrong, and I'm falling into confused town. I do want to point out one thing with BCT, and I'll answer FOR Sultan for that "scum slip" in particular that I noticed and got caught up in work about:

7-264. Calling me a mislynch target before anyone else had coopted the term "mislynch" on anyone. He knows 100% that I'm town. Ergo, scum. Later folks used it for others (Han saying "mislynch target" for Ulti, for example, in a later post) but that came as a natural recourse of discussion.

BCT's temper tantrum was not alignment indicative, since he's pulled it both as town and scum before, but pointing a finger at me is something eyebrow-raising. Thing is, I'm more suspicious of wallmasterz because of smaller, quieter red flags that are more numerous that I can't put my finger on.

Also, to quash this discussion right now: I hammered a mislynch on Sheep, yes, less than ten minutes before end of day. Screw me for wanting to avoid a B8 Special when I had heat on me for not providing much in the way of insight; I could've done so much, much earlier in the day when he was actually at -1 for a time, from what I had counted, and thank you everyone for letting me get catchup going for what little good it did me then.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

This litterally made me lol.

I asked for your read and you ignored it. I've given you opportunity to look better and it hasn't happened that much.

Considering nobody's ever going to listen to your read of me again after this game, I find your lol very amusing. Get some self-awareness, my friend.

And frankly, I don't care to read. I'm busy packing my shit for my vacation, and I already accepted that I'm gonna be lynched today. After all, you're certainly pushing it because you said before the game started (during that week before roles went out) that if you were scum and I was town that you'd make sure I died before I could be replaced. Thanks for keeping your word.

It really doesn't matter what I think, does it? Nobody's gonna listen anyway because OMGUS OMGUS. Do any of you realize you're doing it, too?

Isquen posted...

7-264. Calling me a mislynch target before anyone else had coopted the term "mislynch" on anyone. He knows 100% that I'm town. Ergo, scum. Later folks used it for others (Han saying "mislynch target" for Ulti, for example, in a later post) but that came as a natural recourse of discussion.

Okay. Lynch me for theorizing, then.

GG scum.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Considering nobody's ever going to listen to your read of me again after this game, I find your lol very amusing. Get some self-awareness, my friend.

And frankly, I don't care to read. I'm busy packing my shit for my vacation, and I already accepted that I'm gonna be lynched today. After all, you're certainly pushing it because you said before the game started (during that week before roles went out) that if you were scum and I was town that you'd make sure I died before I could be replaced. Thanks for keeping your word.

It really doesn't matter what I think, does it? Nobody's gonna listen anyway because OMGUS OMGUS. Do any of you realize you're doing it, too?

Um you were -2 beacuse of my read earlier you know that right.

BCT can you answer my question I was litterally giving you an opportunity for me to move my vote

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

BCT can you answer my question I was litterally giving you an opportunity for me to move my vote

Well, let's see...
Dumey still really rubbed me the wrong way for much of the day. My soul read on him isn't clear but I can't tell if he's doing the same kind of manipulation he did as scum the last two games or actually trying to solve things.
Isquen is either scum or just really bad town, and I can't decide. If we lynch him and he flips town, what do we get out of it? That said, his all-over-the-place votes strike me as bogus, so...
JC is most certainly someone listening to others and changing his mind based on logic as opposed to throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. I am liking him more today.

I think Isquen is the most likely scum, so him.

Okay, when you get your blinders off, check where my vote's at. What's your views there, hmm?

I have a feeling death and crescent are just perpetually facepalming in dead town chat

Isquen posted...

Okay, when you get your blinders off, check where my vote's at. What's your views there, hmm?

Your vote has been all over the place.

Does Wallz still feel scummy to you? And if so, why?

wallmasterz posted...

I have a feeling death and crescent are just perpetually facepalming in dead town chat

and what are you doing to help assess the situation wallz

Votals:
[3] BCT - Sultan, EDumey, (Isquen), Lea
[1] Isquen - (Ulti), Ulti
[1] Wallz - Isquen
[1] Sultan - BCT
[0] EDumey - (Ulti), (BCT)
[0] Ulti - (Isquen)
[0] JC - (Han)
[0] Han - (Ulti)

With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Day ends in roughly 20 hours.

Chaeix posted...

and what are you doing to help assess the situation wallz

Im asking ctes to explain why he was the sole vote on chris blatantly obvious mislynch candidate, then ctes didnt move to death when there was a train on the guy, and then killed town death n1 as if Chris flipping scum somehow made death a more appealing option?

try an iso of ctes. It will take you 5 minutes (unless on mobile lol) to get to topic 4. He barely bothered even pretending to try solving the game until a little bit of d2 where he didnt vote for anyone. His biggest effort d1 was being Chris list making assistant. He has been most vocal today which has been a shit show for town so far, and in my eyes a golden opportunity for ctes to look busy without getting us any closer to actually solving the game.

jc I feel like youre actually trying to solve the game. Maybe youre scum and doing a good job of convincing me. But Im concerned theres one, at absolute most two scum between Isquen, BCT, you and Dumey, and we are just going to lynch ourselves into oblivion.

From what Ive been told of Chris, I find it incredibly hard to believe scum is just waiting around afk 80% of the time. I think at least one member of team scum is playing 4D chess and as of now I think its ctes. He claimed town vig and sure he didnt have to claim flavor but Im sure interested in knowing. Killing a townie and using that to clear yourself simultaneously is the sort of sneaky crap I expect scum to pull. I think theres a lot of in-fighting around town today and its been irritating me.

This is ctes 4.008

I'm still not completely caught up, or have at least only skimmed parts of the latter half of topic 3, but I want this vote on record

##vote: Sultan

For someone that is generally viewed as easy to read town, Sultan just haven't looked good. Most reads have been off, and I've felt that he has been trying to argue his that his opinions are right after having decided on the opinion.

Is it just me or is this shit reasoning to vote for someone before youre even fully caught up?

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

So you scan scum?

Why wouldnt you claim the miller earlier?

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Litterally almost every miller I've ever seen has claimed immediately day 1....

##vote: sultan

bro

topic 6 page 5

he didn't claim my version of miller as soon as i claimed but questioned crescent

*Facepalms*

BCT had claimed Wesley back in topic 6, too, on page 4. This is now Star Trek and Pokemon mafia, and I am Slaking Tilly. I guess I'm just really bad town that just doesn't throw a table when called out for having a rough game.

Anyways, from my point of view, if people go for wall and he flips scum, absolutely call out Ulti, as wall pointed out the incongruity on Crescent not voting for Ulti while protesting his claim of BP Doc.

The game in general feels extremely low-power to me beyond Chris's role, the motion detector, the redirector, and dead cop Crescent, which further reinforces: "Bulletproof Doctor? Really." Everyone else who has flavor-claimed has given a name along with it, and we get "The Doctor Bulletproof Doctor lmao" and I'm seriously not buying it unless said scum Redirector actually goes away because MAN is it too easy for him to coast on "redirected lmao."

And if people go for me? Whatever, I won't be able to defend myself end of day easily tomorrow anyway - stuck with the closing shift, which overlaps. But I'll be glaring at you in dead chat for lazily doing this for the, what, fifth game in a row now?

Bedtime now, I think.

Isquen posted...

But I'll be glaring at you in dead chat for lazily doing this for the, what, fifth game in a row now?

you're complaining about us being lazy while there are a handful of us actively trying to solve the game and you have *checks notes* a grand total of one vote on you at the moment.

the onus is on you to come up with a PoE that doesn't include you and you're not doing a great job of that.

wallmasterz posted...

Im asking ctes to explain why he was the sole vote on chris blatantly obvious mislynch candidate, then ctes didnt move to death when there was a train on the guy, and then killed town death n1 as if Chris flipping scum somehow made death a more appealing option?

try an iso of ctes. It will take you 5 minutes (unless on mobile lol) to get to topic 4. He barely bothered even pretending to try solving the game until a little bit of d2 where he didnt vote for anyone. His biggest effort d1 was being Chris list making assistant. He has been most vocal today which has been a shit show for town so far, and in my eyes a golden opportunity for ctes to look busy without getting us any closer to actually solving the game.

jc I feel like youre actually trying to solve the game. Maybe youre scum and doing a good job of convincing me. But Im concerned theres one, at absolute most two scum between Isquen, BCT, you and Dumey, and we are just going to lynch ourselves into oblivion.

From what Ive been told of Chris, I find it incredibly hard to believe scum is just waiting around afk 80% of the time. I think at least one member of team scum is playing 4D chess and as of now I think its ctes. He claimed town vig and sure he didnt have to claim flavor but Im sure interested in knowing. Killing a townie and using that to clear yourself simultaneously is the sort of sneaky crap I expect scum to pull. I think theres a lot of in-fighting around town today and its been irritating me.

And wallz I've been doing some thinking about this - ctes coming in D1 and claiming vig right away doesn't really make sense if he's scum? What if town actually has a killing role and he gets countered immediately? There's tremendous risk to making that claim.

I do agree with you that the spectre of Chris is worth worrying about though. Not at all lost on me.

Since discussion's died for the night, I'd like to leave a parting request for a PoE of the living players from everyone. It will be extremely helpful D4.

Town
Me
Ulti
ctes
Dumey
BCT
Lea
Han (?)

Scum
Isquen
Wallz
Sultan

My current PoE for a 4-person team, pending Sultan's explanation of why he was the last person to claim, as a version of miller, after going after Crescent for not claiming miller instantly D1. Given there is a distinction between his role and miller I will be open to an explanation but at a glance it's not a good look.

In any case, I think the remaining scum is likely between Sultan/Isquen/Wallz/Han.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Okay. Lynch me for theorizing, then.

GG scum.

Is that not what you do yourself literally all the time.

wallmasterz posted...

ctes, can you walk us through your reasoning for how youve voted so far?

d1, you voted for sultan. You were the only vote on sultan at day end. Chris tried to force sultan so hard it was a literal red flag for many people. Now, sultan is on your relatively short confirmed town list (presumably because Chris flipped scum). Whyd you vote for sultan d1?

n1, you shot town death. If you lacked the conviction to vote death d1 when he was a viable Lynch candidate why would you

If you did an iso of me you'd already know these answers.

I was on Sultan before Chris was for reasons unrelated to what I had only skimmed yet at the time. But it was getting late here and looking unlikely I would be able to read through completely before day ending.

I don't think Chris' case on Sultan town confirmed Sultan at all. Chris had already made weak defenses of town confirmed Death and likely town JC. Might as well be bussing that lacked proper reasoning, or rather had a bit outdated reasoning because Chris hasn't seen Sultan play these past many games.

Chris' flip was what part of what made me think Death was scum. This is painfully obviously wrong in hindsight, but once I read end of day properly I thought Death was faking his ans Chris' votes made it look like a pairing.

Yet Chris' weak defense of Death was because he just knew so I don't see why this could not apply to Sultan.

I had not cleared Sultan D2 like most. The reason I cleared him is explained throughout day 2 when talking about the Sheep flip and end of last topic start of the current one. Han made Ulti think he had a cop scan of Sheep as scum, he made it clear he did not. Sultan then after it was cleared up and votes Sheep. I was thinking that a Sultan that knows Sheep is town would not vote like that, especially because Han never really said he was Cop to begin with.

I was asking about people about this earlier because I don't think Sultan has looked as town as most people seems to think.

I had no vote yesterday because Sheep's death was inevitable, I was fine with it, and there was no point in ending day earlier for me.

wallmasterz posted...

Im asking ctes to explain why he was the sole vote on chris blatantly obvious mislynch candidate, then ctes didnt move to death when there was a train on the guy, and then killed town death n1 as if Chris flipping scum somehow made death a more appealing option?

try an iso of ctes. It will take you 5 minutes (unless on mobile lol) to get to topic 4. He barely bothered even pretending to try solving the game until a little bit of d2 where he didnt vote for anyone. His biggest effort d1 was being Chris list making assistant. He has been most vocal today which has been a s*** show for town so far, and in my eyes a golden opportunity for ctes to look busy without getting us any closer to actually solving the game.

See I get your perspective on most of this, but throwing down a vote on d2 would have just ended day early without starting next day earlier, thus doing nothing but just deny town the chance to talk more.

Chris made such great points on town Sheep that he was still lynched the next day. Chris' then "weak" attacks on Sultan seemed to be more about having not played with Sultan for a long time, it does not say much about the latter's alignment to me.

In Elden Ring Sultan was town cleared immediately and then only killed as the final scum once everyone alive was towncleared and they had to get back and rethink where they were wrong.

I think JCs point about Sultan made movement miller is really good though.

Although Sultan's claim seems to work with how there is no ordinary tracker.

Sultan why did you attack Crescent for claiming miller d2 when you had not claimed this?

##unvote

jeez I accidentally voted for sultan. Sorry I was quoting ctes

##Note: To be clear, 8.071 is a quote by ctes from d1 and I did not intend to vote for sultan. Yes its obvious if youre reading but adding this in case someone skims looking for votals or doesnt read well enough.

Chaeix posted...

And wallz I've been doing some thinking about this - ctes coming in D1 and claiming vig right away doesn't really make sense if he's scum? What if town actually has a killing role and he gets countered immediately? There's tremendous risk to making that claim.

I do agree with you that the spectre of Chris is worth worrying about though. Not at all lost on me.

ive become a red shirt due to all the wine being placed in front of me

Morning Wallz, can you tell me of what the current game state is to you?

Or point me to it if you already did it.

I think scum killed death with their regular kill n1 and used it in an attempt to town clear ctes. He made a point to get everyones opinion on the possibility of death not being the intended target, really created that narrative, then used it to turn around and claim. If his idea was met with a lot of hostility by town, ctes couldve simply not claimed.

Hey ctes Ill do that once Im finished making a case against you

Well that seems reasonable enough

wallmasterz posted...

He made a point to get everyones opinion on the possibility of death not being the intended target, really created that narrative, then used it to turn around and claim.

Doing it other way around wouldn't make it usable. Scum obviously would know they didn't do it, I was trying to deduce who sounded like they knew and who did not. Of course Sheep disappeared the whole day and Ulti was annoyingly unwilling to corporate with me then.

If you did an iso of me you'd already know these answers.

I want to hear your version of events and I think youve played enough mafia to know asking someone a question youre capable of finding the answer to yourself (or in my case, already found the answer to) doesnt mean youre lazing about.

I was on Sultan before Chris was for reasons unrelated to what I had only skimmed yet at the time. But it was getting late here and looking unlikely I would be able to read through completely before day ending.

Could you elaborate here on your unrelated reasons. Also, Ill have to go back and review the timeline here and your normal activity times, I know time zone is a factor for you but

I don't think Chris' case on Sultan town confirmed Sultan at all. Chris had already made weak defenses of town confirmed Death and likely town JC. Might as well be bussing that lacked proper reasoning, or rather had a bit outdated reasoning because Chris hasn't seen Sultan play these past many games.


Chris' flip was what part of what made me think Death was scum. This is painfully obviously wrong in hindsight, but once I read end of day properly I thought Death was faking his ans Chris' votes made it look like a pairing.

So you felt so strongly about your painfully obviously wrong read on death you killed him n1 instead of sultan, someone you suspected so strongly you were willing to vote for him without even properly catching up?

Yet Chris' weak defense of Death was because he just knew so I don't see why this could not apply to Sultan.

Yeah, I dont see why not either. Hmm.

undefined posted... (Ctes)

Man, I really thought Death looked scum after Chris flipped.
Although hopefully having two lynch candidates flipped can give some feedback upon looking back. That will be step one I guess.

Dumey: I feel like this is a strange read. I was pretty much the biggest pusher of the Death suspicion, and even I thought end of day made Death look incredibly townie. From the lack of any effort from scum to move the lynch from him, to him not willing to vote Chris in his own defense, etc. I think it would have been better if he was a bit more proactive instead of acting defeated, but I'm not sure how Chris flipping scum would make Death look worse somehow.

You even mention in the very next post about Chris going to sleep before deadline, which wouldn't make sense if Death was scum!

Ctes: I don't think Chris flipping clears Sultan. He knows better than that. Honestly, his case sounding weak makes it more than likely that it was a true case more than anything. Similar to how his weak defense of Death is now known to be true.

Dumey: I also don't like this analysis of trying to keep Sultan on the table based on Chris' flip. One of the biggest reasons Chris looked bad there was his very weak push of Sultan, after spending hours of building up tension between Chris/Ulti/Han. Is Chris bussing Sultan to try and get town cred possible there? Sure, but this analysis feeling backwards right after the other post is maybe more noticeable to me atm.

For what it's worth, I did like your analysis of people speculating on Death's kill. I think it's hard to believe scum are killing claimed Vanillas instead of power hunting unless they thought Death was lying for some reason. So your analysis of Sheep/Ulti and the whole "discussing the plan" thing is interesting to me.

5.234. Town Dumey knew.

Look, isquen might be scum. Its a reasonable conclusion atm. But what the hell will it really tell us if he is? And what Im slowly allowing myself to consider, wtf if hes somehow town? Isquen has already decided to roll over and play dead lol. We can revisit.

I dont know the specifics of how vigilante typically works but ctes blew his load n1. Therefore Im assuming if hes telling the truth (I doubt this so much now, to say the least) he is now town vanilla status most likely, right? I cant see where its any more harmful a mislynch than a hypothetical where claimed town vanilla Isquen surprises us all by turning up town.

Im officially asking everyone to review the info put in front of you and consider voting ctes. Theres one person we know who claims to have killed town. Look, this suspicion is not based on having a town vig. This suspicion is based on ctes claiming to kill town based on what they admit (as town) was a horrible read, when even deaths leading critic based Dumey looked at the situation and his first instinct was something does not add up.

Chris mustve been pissed when he got lynched. I firmly believe he, ctes and possibly other scum tried to cook up a scenario where they could commit a NK which might clear one of their scummy ranks.

##Vote: Ctes

Chaeix posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...
So you scan scum?

Why wouldnt you claim the miller earlier?
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Litterally almost every miller I've ever seen has claimed immediately day 1....
##vote: sultan

bro

Litterally not the same.

My role can mess with scum.
While miller only messes with town

Heres what I think happened. Town Sultan came in d1 concussed and scum decided sultan was the primary target. Scum ctes might even be telling the truth about not being fully caught up. So he voted for sultan because he knew that was the move from scum chat.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Litterally not the same.

My role can mess with scum.
While miller only messes with town

Sultan I think most everyone believes youre town. I dont blame you for wanting to respond and defend yourself which you should feel free to do but I would value your thoughts on ctes in light of my recent iso.

wallmasterz posted...

Sultan I think most everyone believes youre town. I dont blame you for wanting to respond and defend yourself which you should feel free to do but I would value your thoughts on ctes in light of my recent iso.

Just waking up ill get to it first thing I saw was JCs vote and was like uhh no that's not how this works.

No worries man not trying to rush you. In fact maybe wait if you just woke up lol. Im just excited because babbys first scum hunt, etc.

wallmasterz posted...

Could you elaborate here on your unrelated reasons. Also, Ill have to go back and review the timeline here and your normal activity times, I know time zone is a factor for you but

Yes, but I'm honestly a bit tired of repeating this part at this point hence why I said you would know. I thought Sultan's reasoning towards voting JC for his list day 1 was pretty backwards. He did not seem as if he had a specific reason for that vote but seemed to jump between a few different reasons. Then the whole thing about not realizing I was asked to make a list despite being told numerous times.