Board 8 > Star Trek Mafia - Topic 1: Space, The Final Frontier

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Sheep007 posted...

Sorta on the page of more thoughts on me, what do you think of MZero and Ctes coming in with soft-defences of me, Chris? What about if you come at it specifically from the PoV of me being Town? I'm really not sure what to make of them and I'd like to know if you can glean anything.

What I find interesting is MZero posted 5 times and the soft defense of you is the only thing that resembles content in any of his posts. Everything else was fluff.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

6- Han - If what he did last night was meant to get me to show my cards, it certainly worked and is pro-town behavior. Trying to townclear someone

Also, I wanted to respond to this but forgot:

I wasn't trying to Townclear you. I was making a joke. You said:

Yeah, I reacted to getting scanned in my first game back in ages because I didn't want anyone saying they scanned me scum.

So I fake dayscanned you and called you Scum.

Crescent-Moon posted...

What I find interesting is MZero posted 5 times and the soft defense of you is the only thing that resembles content in any of his posts. Everything else was fluff.

I know I said Dumey was the new MZero, but is MZero actually the new MZero?

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

This is actually what makes me think she is town tbh.

Oh this is NAI for me. Already said don't analyze games I'm not in~

It's kinda amusing how he's guilty of failing to do any research on me <3

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Sheep this is the past thst pinged me to be like huh maybe he knows something.

He was panic mode as scum too and was only scum once.

Though I also hosted that game so I knew But maybe im just remembering all the panic in the scum chat that game and it wasn't so forward in the Topics?

I feel like the panic was more controlled in the topics, yeah. Like, in the other games I've seen BCT, he felt like he was on the edge of replacing or snapping at any given point. In the scum game I was with him, he seemed more worried than irritable, and like he wanted to hide constantly. I think he's been too aggressive and not hidey enough to be scum (admittedly based on a small sample size!)

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I agree or don't care about a lot of what's been said, but I want to add that Death is anything but an open book and that's what stuck out to me this morning. I don't believe that read.

Huh. That's kinda interesting to me that of all my thoughts that one sticks out, because I'm fairly confident on it. And obviously the dude isn't an open book, I just feel pretty confident in my ability to cold-read him. Death, in my experience, does not commit to so many reads so quickly very often at all, but especially as Scum. #211 feels far very direct and precise towards several people, and I honestly think ScumDeath doesn't bother using the logs to check if I have made early activity excuses before.

Actually have you played with BCT Creasent?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I know I said Dumey was the new MZero, but is MZero actually the new MZero?

You should've studied the blueprints closer, Han! There can be only one MZero!

Sheep007 posted...

Huh. That's kinda interesting to me that of all my thoughts that one sticks out, because I'm fairly confident on it. And obviously the dude isn't an open book, I just feel pretty confident in my ability to cold-read him. Death, in my experience, does not commit to so many reads so quickly very often at all, but especially as Scum. #211 feels far very direct and precise towards several people, and I honestly think ScumDeath doesn't bother using the logs to check if I have made early activity excuses before.

Almost nothing of what he said in that post was a particularly difficult read to arrive at, and from my angle "he checked logs he must be Town" could easily be Scum telling Scum "this is what I usually play like".

Crescent-Moon posted...

You should've studied the blueprints closer, Han! There can be only one MZero!

Unless one is a transporter clone...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Actually have you played with BCT Creasent?

Not a bloody clue. It's possible we were in the same game once in the past.

Sheep007 posted...

I'm actually mildly irritated that Chris went down the Sultan line too, because now it feels like I'm copying him even though I was first.

Fr, Sultan is my only actual scumread so far. Avoiding talking about the major topic of the game until specifically asked, and then mentioning it as the most standout thing is not exactly town behaviour.

I wasn't planning on being particularly active! I kinda forgot that Mafia gives me a massive adrenaline rush and it's given me enough energy to actually think for the first time in a year or so.

I am playing yakuza so I will answer other things in a bit but just want to note it is totally unbelievable that sheep would be irritated that I am pursuing someone similar to him

Like people wait a lifetime to pounce on someone with me

Sheep you seem to really care a lot about your image right now.

Hello friends.

I liked Wallmaster's wall post. Felt like a genuine attempt to dissect Ulti's request for a scan on them from a new player perspective. Being a little bit naive about what it means to be cop scanned and how scum choose to target kills isn't a point against them.

That said, I think Ctes immediately calling it out as "rubbing them the wrong way" seems bad. I don't know if Ctes just wasn't giving any charitability to a new player approaching a situation and giving out a ton of detail on their thought process, or is just happy to jump on "this person is too concerned with their image" without too much extra thought. To their credit, Ctes didn't continue to push on it, but I just didn't like the immediate reaction.

Sheep007 posted...

What makes you think that?

I'd be surprised if someone told him to react that overdefensively to a scan. Hat off if true.

Oh and Death hasn't done anything to ping me yet which is a good starting sign for Death potentially being town.

Though what's with so many people and their first post looking bad this game yeesh.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Almost nothing of what he said in that post was a particularly difficult read to arrive at, and from my angle "he checked logs he must be Town" could easily be Scum telling Scum "this is what I usually play like".

Particularly difficult to arrive at, maybe not. Unusual for ScumDeath? I'd say so. In his last two games where he started as Scum (Fire Emblem Awakening and Nickelodeon), his first important posts had attempts at reads but was mostly fluff. This game he actually took a firm and early stance on multiple issues, and didn't give me the ick. It's not as solid as it could have been, but more than enough for me to feel it's firmly in his town game.

SirChris posted...

I am playing yakuza so I will answer other things in a bit but just want to note it is totally unbelievable that sheep would be irritated that I am pursuing someone similar to him

Like people wait a lifetime to pounce on someone with me

Sheep you seem to really care a lot about your image right now.

Look, it's important for my ego that I get all the credit for any Sultan lynch. I'm insecure, Chris. This mafia game is all I have.

I find it funny that Sheep seems to know BCT so well but still doesn't understand me at all that is sad. Anyways time to get back on track.

Anyone have any questions I can answer for you or any isos you want me to do?

I also think Death is hard to read, and am inclined to agree with Han that people listing cold reads on Death that quickly is hard to believe without a heavy dose of salt. But people claim to have all kinds of crazy personal reads, so who really knows.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I'd be surprised if someone told him to react that overdefensively to a scan. Hat off if true.

I don't think he would have run every single thing by his scumteam before posting, really?Probably depends on its specific composition, but most teams don't try and have that much control over what anyone says, even if they are a new player.

EDumey posted...

I also think Death is hard to read, and am inclined to agree with Han that people listing cold reads on Death that quickly is hard to believe without a heavy dose of salt. But people claim to have all kinds of crazy personal reads, so who really knows.

I have effectively murdered (or tried to murder) scum Death on day 1 multiple times.

Crescent looking good by going for the jugular and BCT being twitchy are just not particularly compelling reads.

Sheep007 posted...

Particularly difficult to arrive at, maybe not. Unusual for ScumDeath? I'd say so. In his last two games where he started as Scum (Fire Emblem Awakening and Nickelodeon), his first important posts had attempts at reads but was mostly fluff. This game he actually took a firm and early stance on multiple issues, and didn't give me the ick. It's not as solid as it could have been, but more than enough for me to feel it's firmly in his town game.

SirChris posted...

Look, it's important for my ego that I get all the credit for any Sultan lynch. I'm insecure, Chris. This mafia game is all I have.

So important you aren't even voting him?

Oh sheep lol

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I find it funny that Sheep seems to know BCT so well but still doesn't understand me at all that is sad. Anyways time to get back on track.

Anyone have any questions I can answer for you or any isos you want me to do?

What are your thoughts on me so far?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Crescent looking good by going for the jugular and BCT being twitchy are just not particularly compelling reads.

Oh they're not, but I can't recall scum Death immediately trying to buddy me before. Scum Death fears me and usually tries to avoid poking me in any way early on.

I caught Death with his first post last time I was Town and he was Scum! Take it with a dose of salt and develop your own read, obviously, but that read is positively brimming with honesty.

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Psh lies.

Do you agree with Sheep's read on him here?

The most recent game Death was scum from start was f*** 2021 and I won it with him. Can't have been that easy ti read him then lol.

Sheep007 posted...

I don't think he would have run every single thing by his scumteam before posting, really?Probably depends on its specific composition, but most teams don't try and have that much control over what anyone says, even if they are a new player.

I literally said that if he was scum then I don't think it was coached, not that he couldn't have made it as scum.

To be fair, I don't think I've seen D1 Scum Death for many years, so I am willing to bite the bullet on that one and say I am not up to date as most of you are on his scum tendencies.

SirChris posted...

What are your thoughts on me so far?

Always have a ping to not trust you chris...

Right now I am in the okay he seems fine to me state of mind. The Diggs at sheep seem pretty characteristic so far. Laying back but making Diggs to get info is pretty normal nothing yet has said no dont trust Chris! You haven't came out with an aggressive kill it thing yet so thst does raise a little bit of concern since you're usually pretty quick to say jump him!

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Always have a ping to not trust you chris...

Right now I am in the okay he seems fine to me state of mind. The Diggs at sheep seem pretty characteristic so far. Laying back but making Diggs to get info is pretty normal nothing yet has said no dont trust Chris! You haven't came out with an aggressive kill it thing yet so thst does raise a little bit of concern since you're usually pretty quick to say jump him!

Do you think sheep is operating in good faith?

ctesjbuvf posted...

The most recent game Death was scum from start was f*** 2021 and I won it with him. Can't have been that easy ti read him then lol.

That's what I'm saying.

Death has always been a person that's hard for me to get a bead on. And I mean, he won in his last two Scum games, so like, is he easy to read? Or do people just like reading him Town?

SirChris posted...

So important you aren't even voting him?

Oh sheep lol

Yes. It's utterly vital.

For an entirely serious answer, I wanted to press him for answers without him feeling like I was incredibly suspicious of him because that gets some people to say a little more, and I'm happy to have gotten the info I got. He's definitely not at a stage where I'm wanting to kill him with fire or anything. I don't feel like voting him is gonna get me any new answers right now and I'll come back round nearer EoD if nobody else sticks out to me.

Try being masons with him~ I feel like my ability to read him went up dramatically after spending 5 days alive in a game as masons with him.

Sheep007 posted...

Yes. It's utterly vital.

For an entirely serious answer, I wanted to press him for answers without him feeling like I was incredibly suspicious of him because that gets some people to say a little more, and I'm happy to have gotten the info I got. He's definitely not at a stage where I'm wanting to kill him with fire or anything. I don't feel like voting him is gonna get me any new answers right now and I'll come back round nearer EoD if nobody else sticks out to me.

I don't remember you being this jokey before sheep.

Anyway to answer your question earlier from a town you perspective I am not sure what equity scum mzero or scum ctes gain from disagreeing with my assessment early on you so in worlds you are town they both get minor town points.

Sheep007 posted...

Yes. It's utterly vital.

For an entirely serious answer, I wanted to press him for answers without him feeling like I was incredibly suspicious of him because that gets some people to say a little more, and I'm happy to have gotten the info I got. He's definitely not at a stage where I'm wanting to kill him with fire or anything. I don't feel like voting him is gonna get me any new answers right now and I'll come back round nearer EoD if nobody else sticks out to me.

This feels completely noncommittal to actually making game-solving progress.

Lea buddy

Come back and vote sheep with me

SirChris posted...

Do you think sheep is operating in good faith?

Sheep does raise a good point about me not getting to things right away and that did get me in some trouble last game. I should read all before making comments. I didn't say alot beacuse ya know its day 1 he asked specifically and I answered. Like I said Sheep is someone who should know how I operate by now read and reread things to make some reads.

Sheep seems to be caught up in this a bit to much? Idk if that is a hey I'm going to push sultan until my face turns blue as scum or he is like I nailed sultan I'm gonna push for his Lynch. He said her thinks I'm scum but not ready to kill me yet and I find that interesting in itself.

Like if you think im scum but don't vote? Is Sheep usually so non commital as town?

Hey Sheep, would you still be interested in same timing with Dumey now that you're not about to head to bet?

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Sheeping

Perfection.

Limited time offer to Sheep me on Sheep. I will not think you are bussing if you vote in the next 2 hours.

Boy howdy, what a deal.

Sheep who is your other top suspects and why?

Crescent-Moon posted...

This feels completely noncommittal to actually making game-solving progress.

Okay Crescent - what do you make of Sultan admitting the most important thing that happened in the game, to him, was just something he forgot to mention?

If Dumey really wants to same time claim I wouldn't be entirely opposed to it, but I am inclined to think that encouraging unnecessary claims of people I lean town on on D1 is not the best strategy. I'd probably rather claim by myself, if it comes to that.

Also, I'm mostly non-committal to voting because I don't really see the point? Like, right now I would only vote to achieve pressure, but I don't think it's necessary. Not like Sultan needed a push to answer my questions.

I don't really have any other suspects, tbh, Sultan. Nobody else has rubbed me the wrong way, beyond very minor things.

Sheep007 posted...

If Dumey really wants to same time claim I wouldn't be entirely opposed to it, but I am inclined to think that encouraging unnecessary claims of people I lean town on on D1 is not the best strategy. I'd probably rather claim by myself, if it comes to that.

That makes sense, but then why yesterday?

Sheep007 posted...

Okay Crescent - what do you make of Sultan admitting the most important thing that happened in the game, to him, was just something he forgot to mention?

What specifically is this referring to again

Also sheep did I mention any reads other than maybe BCT to the point you asked me about reads? Just curious beacuse like you are acting like I made a wall read post and mentioned everyone but you and Dumey. I don't think I really mentioned much of anyone to that point to be honest.