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Kloe_Rinz
03/02/23 4:46:33 AM
#301:


gmanthebest posted...
Why can't the people complaining just make their own Souls style game with difficulty options and a pause button?
Dumb straw man. A game developer doesnt need you to simp for them and people are allowed to criticise a poor design choice
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Foppe
03/02/23 4:47:25 AM
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I remember how Point n Click fans went nuts about how the first Monkey Island game ruined the whole Point n Click genre by simplifying it for the masses.
What Monkey Island did was to allow you to go back and pick up any item you had missed if any later puzzle needed it.
Before that, missed items were lost forever and you had to start over.
Sierra games were famous for having some secret item on the first few screens, that you only had one or two chances picking up, and you had to use it near the end of the game if you wanted to complete it.
If you missed it, you got stuck near the end with no clue of what you even need to have.

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gmanthebest
03/02/23 4:52:20 AM
#303:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
Dumb straw man. A game developer doesnt need you to simp for them and people are allowed to criticise a poor design choice
Never said you weren't allowed to criticize them. I'm just offering the one solution that will take less work and less time

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Philip027
03/02/23 6:49:29 AM
#304:


Fluttershy posted...
it's been five games, it's not an accident; apply some common sense, lol.

I never suggested it was an accident; I said it was a flaw.

You not being able to see that also doesn't make it not one, for that matter.
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UnholyMudcrab
03/02/23 6:50:43 AM
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What wondrous news, we've hit 300 posts! I'm so proud of each and every one of you.

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DezDroppedFreak
03/02/23 6:51:00 AM
#306:


It is not a flaw. It is a deliberate design choice. You not liking it does not make it a flaw.

PS just quit out. That is why the game is constantly saving your position every 8-10 steps you are on solid ground

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Tom_Joad
03/02/23 6:52:33 AM
#307:


The is a pause button in their Armored Core series of games, though.

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Philip027
03/02/23 6:53:09 AM
#308:


DezDroppedFreak posted...
It is not a flaw. It is a deliberate design choice.

You seem to think these things are mutually exclusive. They aren't.
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DezDroppedFreak
03/02/23 6:55:38 AM
#309:


Philip027 posted...
You seem to think these things are mutually exclusive. They aren't.
As evident by this topic, it is completely subjective. Just because you do not like a deliberate choice by them does not immediately make it a flaw

also quit out

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Kloe_Rinz
03/02/23 7:05:51 AM
#310:


DezDroppedFreak posted...
It is not a flaw. It is a deliberate design choice
a poor choice is a flaw

DezDroppedFreak posted...
it is completely subjective.
some people subjectively love long load times in bloodborne. long load times are still a flaw as is the lack of a pause function
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TetsuoS2
03/02/23 7:15:08 AM
#311:


UnholyMudcrab posted...
What wondrous news, we've hit 300 posts! I'm so proud of each and every one of you.


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hockeybub89
03/02/23 7:27:42 AM
#312:


I should develop a game and deliberately not put player inputs in it. Hey man, don't diss my game. I made an artistic decision.

I hope all you capital G gamers are really pissed that remakes of classic RPGs add turbo and more save functions. No such thing as QOL or standard features. It's all design choice.

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Foppe
03/02/23 7:29:21 AM
#313:


hockeybub89 posted...
I should develop a game and deliberately not put player inputs in it. Hey man, don't diss my game. I made an artistic decision.
So you made a movie.

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hockeybub89
03/02/23 7:32:27 AM
#314:


Foppe posted...
So you made a movie.
But I'm releasing it as a game. No one better criticize it for lacking input. That was my choice. 99.99% of games are for you if you dislike my design choices. It's not a flaw if I did it on purpose.

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Philip027
03/02/23 7:38:20 AM
#315:


Just because you do not like a deliberate choice by them does not immediately make it a flaw

It's not a flaw just because I "don't like it"; that's very presumptuous of you to suggest.

It's a flaw because it reintroduces an inconvenience that video games already resolved ages ago. Excusing it under "designer vision" or "they've made X amount of other games like this" or whatever doesn't stop this from being true.
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iPhone_7
03/02/23 8:04:23 AM
#316:


Stuff like pause screens & easy modes & accessibility options in the settings no longer makes them hardcore games. Seeing regular gamers also enjoying the game instead of just hardcore gamers like me would take away from my sense of accomplishment.

When I beat Soulsborne games I am euphoric, not simply because I beat a game, but because I beat a game that others are unable to. Get gud

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ShaniaSingsling
03/02/23 8:09:04 AM
#317:


its all straight women and gay men

they like everything hard


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Vyrulisse
03/02/23 8:15:48 AM
#318:


hockeybub89 posted...
I should develop a game and deliberately not put player inputs in it. Hey man, don't diss my game. I made an artistic decision.

I hope all you capital G gamers are really pissed that remakes of classic RPGs add turbo and more save functions. No such thing as QOL or standard features. It's all design choice.
Turbo no but save states are literal cheating and you will never convince me otherwise.

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ZeroCredibility
03/02/23 8:23:20 AM
#319:


KINDERFELD posted...
"We enjoy your game but think it would be better if we dictated what should and shouldn't be in it. Your creative freedom should be ours if you want $59.99 from us."
Miyazaki games = this burger joint...

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Kloe_Rinz
03/02/23 8:26:06 AM
#320:


ZeroCredibility posted...
Miyazaki games = this burger joint...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/8/0/AAdNOaAAEO94.jpg
fans of that burger joint be like "your burger is missing the buns? its just subjective that the burger is flawed because it was a design choice! ive eaten 5 burgers here already and none of them had meat patties, that doesnt make the burgers flawed!"
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Ragtag28
03/02/23 8:27:21 AM
#321:


Jagr_68 posted...
What FromSoft SHOULD do is hire engineers to update their decade old engine because it's overdue.
Dear God this.

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Ragtag28
03/02/23 8:32:35 AM
#322:


Doom_Art posted...
FromSoft fans possess a fun mix of delusional "It's already completely perfect as is" and hostility to any sort of legitimate criticism of the franchise.

Like I loved Elden Ring. I sank 100+ hours into my playthrough, but let's not pretend like the game and From's design choices are beyond criticism.

There were changes/additions that could have improved an already great game. A pause button is one of those things.

Basically every game has one. Not having one is weird and is an unnecessary, punitive move against the player. If I gotta take a dump in the middle of a lengthy boss fight, I don't appreciate having to start from scratch because of that lol.
I don't think you understand. there is a reason the game doesn't have one. That is because the game is mostly centered around being online. Thats the main reason there is no pause button. It is true for other games that is mostly played online as well.

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Blue_Inigo
03/02/23 8:35:17 AM
#323:


Blue_Inigo posted...
You. Can. Pause. ELDEN RING!


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Kloe_Rinz
03/02/23 8:40:13 AM
#324:


Ragtag28 posted...
I don't think you understand. there is a reason the game doesn't have one. That is because the game is mostly centered around being online. Thats the main reason there is no pause button. It is true for other games that is mostly played online as well.
Plenty of online games have pause, and fromsoft games are 99% single player so they can have a functional pause 99% of the time, and the other 1% of the time they can have either a best-effort pause or no pause. No reason to not have any pause at all
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Nosferatu_Zodd
03/02/23 8:42:59 AM
#325:


gmanthebest posted...
Why can't the people complaining just make their own Souls style game with difficulty options and a pause button?

They already exist.

They should play those instead.

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TheOtherMike
03/02/23 8:43:18 AM
#326:


This is a really fucking weird thing to still be frothing about when the structure of the game doesn't really necessitate a dedicated pause and there are perfectly functional workarounds.

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Nosferatu_Zodd
03/02/23 8:44:07 AM
#327:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
fans of that burger joint be like "your burger is missing the buns? its just subjective that the burger is flawed because it was a design choice! ive eaten 5 burgers here already and none of them had meat patties, that doesnt make the burgers flawed!"

Correct.

And people who want to eat a burger with a bun should go to a place that serves burgers with buns instead.

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Kloe_Rinz
03/02/23 9:12:30 AM
#328:


Nosferatu_Zodd posted...
Correct.

And people who want to eat a burger with a bun should go to a place that serves burgers with buns instead.
They can still criticize the burger place for serving burgers missing standard ingredients. burger simps dont need to try and fail to justify how a missing patty is necessary. The correct response is "i like the burgers despite it missing the meat patty", and that doesn't negate the criticism
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voldothegr8
03/02/23 9:19:17 AM
#329:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
Plenty of online games have pause, and fromsoft games are 99% single player so they can have a functional pause 99% of the time, and the other 1% of the time they can have either a best-effort pause or no pause. No reason to not have any pause at all

The example I've seen thrown around is Diablo 3, any others. Also...

TheOtherMike posted...
This is a really fucking weird thing to still be frothing about when the structure of the game doesn't really necessitate a dedicated pause and there are perfectly functional workarounds.


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neccis
03/02/23 9:29:01 AM
#330:


UnholyMudcrab posted...
What wondrous news, we've hit 300 posts! I'm so proud of each and every one of you.
Your post is the special post outside of all posts.


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ZeroCredibility
03/02/23 10:01:16 AM
#331:


sevihaimerej posted...
It's getting creepy, it's clearly just coming from Journalists salty that Miyazaki won't bend to their will and entitled, arrogant people who think they know better than the developers how their games should be.
Them: "Give us convenient!"
Miyazaki: "Commit or quit."... so convenient

gildedwings posted...
They should make a game with no Quit option. If you close the game, it explodes.
... or bricks system? lol

UnholyMudcrab posted...
250 posts! We're halfway there! It's truly amazing what we can accomplish when we all sit down at the table of friendship and discussion together.
sarcasm = detected

Kloe_Rinz posted...
fans of that burger joint be like "your burger is missing the buns? its just subjective that the burger is flawed because it was a design choice! ive eaten 5 burgers here already and none of them had meat patties, that doesnt make the burgers flawed!"
irl "that" burger = meat patty between bread... always same meat/bread... no hold/add... no exceptions

Kloe_Rinz posted...
burger simps dont need to try and fail to justify how a missing patty is necessary.
never happened... criticism = invalid

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Nosferatu_Zodd
03/02/23 10:35:01 AM
#332:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
They can still criticize the burger place for serving burgers missing standard ingredients. burger simps dont need to try and fail to justify how a missing patty is necessary. The correct response is "i like the burgers despite it missing the meat patty", and that doesn't negate the criticism

Or, maybe people could understand there is a niche market for people who want to eat burgers without buns. And this place brings joys to those people. A reasonable person who doesn't want to eat their burger without a bun will still have thousands of other options of burger joints. Maybe instead of shouting at this one place to cater to them, and make this unique burger joint like every other burger joint, they could just go to one of the thousands of other burger joints and let the bun hating burger eaters enjoy this unique burger joint that creates burgers the way they want to, not the way the masses tell them to.

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Doom_Art
03/02/23 10:37:02 AM
#333:


It's a fucking pause button. The comment is "it's a ubiquitous feature in just about every other game ever made and it's weird that this game doesn't have one."

Quit this dramatic shit of "you're ruining our niche thing that brings us joy" Holy shit dude lol

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VirtuousWrath
03/02/23 10:38:19 AM
#334:


hockeybub89 posted...
Are you saying implementing pause buttons is beyond the skillset of From Software?
When it comes to engineering, you have to look at things as trade-offs.

I think From just doesn't think adding a pause button to the offline mode of their games is worth the development cost it'd take.

Now, keep in mind that development cost is also a function of team skill so I mean...

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Akagami_Shanks
03/02/23 10:40:17 AM
#335:


gamers when they find a developer that won't bend the knee to them

hope the games stay hard, and get even harder just for the amount of qqing that it'll cause

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Nosferatu_Zodd
03/02/23 10:46:36 AM
#336:


Akagami_Shanks posted...
gamers when they find a developer that won't bend the knee to them

hope the games stay hard, and get even harder just for the amount of qqing that it'll cause

It's not even the hard aspect that is in danger. The combat has become more difficult with each installment.

It's everything else about the games that is losing its soul. "QoL improvements" are what is sapping the soul from the games. Convenience. Less punishment and permanence in failure and choices. Easier travel, etc.

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Nosferatu_Zodd
03/02/23 10:49:39 AM
#337:


Doom_Art posted...
It's a fucking pause button. The comment is "it's a ubiquitous feature in just about every other game ever made and it's weird that this game doesn't have one."

Quit this dramatic shit of "you're ruining our niche thing that brings us joy" Holy shit dude lol

This right here is exhibit A of a Karen shouting at the bunless burger joint that they demand a bun on their burger.

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Doom_Art
03/02/23 10:50:05 AM
#338:


wtf are you talking about lol

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OudeGeuze
03/02/23 10:50:41 AM
#339:


Doom_Art posted...
It's a fucking pause button. The comment is "it's a ubiquitous feature in just about every other game ever made and it's weird that this game doesn't have one."

Quit this dramatic shit of "you're ruining our niche thing that brings us joy" Holy shit dude lol
Counter point: they clearly have no interest in adding a pause button to their primarily online titles (Sekiro being fully offline has one). They're clearly not going to budge on this stance, people just need to get over it at this point. Idgaf either way.
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SSJKirby
03/02/23 10:52:39 AM
#340:


Phantasy Star Online doesn't have a pause function either and that's a hecka quality game


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Nosferatu_Zodd
03/02/23 10:53:02 AM
#341:


Doom_Art posted...
wtf are you talking about lol

"Its a fucking bun, an ubiquitous feature at every other burger joint, I demand a bun!"

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Doom_Art
03/02/23 10:54:39 AM
#342:


No one's demanding anything stfu lol

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Nosferatu_Zodd
03/02/23 10:57:25 AM
#343:


Doom_Art posted...
No one's demanding anything stfu lol

Uh huh

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Jagr_68
03/02/23 11:03:39 AM
#344:


SSJKirby posted...
Phantasy Star Online doesn't have a pause function either and that's a hecka quality game

God-tier RPG. Pausing in those days required simply typing "afk" and then your team would just go on without you more than 8 doors ahead soaking up all the XP lol.

Just idle in a safe zone and take a break. No big whoop.

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WolfFangHowell
03/02/23 12:24:34 PM
#345:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
Dumb straw man. A game developer doesnt need you to simp for them and people are allowed to criticise a poor design choice

Too bad it's not a poor design choice at all, but keep trying that circular logic and let me know if some dimwit buys it.
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VampireCoyote
03/02/23 12:25:58 PM
#346:


WolfFangHowell posted...
Too bad it's not a poor design choice at all, but keep trying that circular logic and let me know if some dimwit buys it.

that is called an opinion

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_Angel_
03/02/23 12:49:12 PM
#347:


The lack of a pause button is the key to FromSofts success

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Doom_Art
03/02/23 1:25:18 PM
#348:


If a pause button is added it will literally destroy the entire game as we know it

Never mind that I could just simply not use it, it will ruin the game

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hockeybub89
03/02/23 1:27:49 PM
#349:


Doom_Art posted...
If a pause button is added it will literally destroy the entire game as we know it

Never mind that I could just simply not use it, it will ruin the game
Think of all the resources that will have to be diverted from other features!

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Shamino
03/02/23 1:39:30 PM
#350:


Doom_Art posted...
If a pause button is added it will literally destroy the entire game as we know it

Never mind that I could just simply not use it, it will ruin the game

I need the pause button when I need to make some soup.

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