Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Samus and King K. Rool vs. Gordon Freeman, Jinx and Sagat

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Samus and King K. Rool have challenged Gordon Freeman, Jinx and Sagat to a fight! Location of the fight: Ravenholm - This once-prosperous mining town has been turned into a devastated ruin following a headcrab bombardment. The Headcrab Zombies and Father Grigori have vacated the area, but the multitude of traps, fires, and gas canisters remain. Access to the rest of the world is forbidden. Attackers will start at the town's entry point, while defenders will begin within the church. Which side will win?

Guidelines

- The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment.
- The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of executing a prearranged battle plan.
- Unless stated otherwise, characters have access to their full arsenal of abilities and equipment. They may not always work at full power, however (e.g. a petrifying spell may have only a partial hindering effect not seen in gameplay or even fail outright against sufficiently powerful mercenaries). Use your own discretion.
- There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from.

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- Leaders cannot vote for their own teams, but they are free to argue their case.
- If you want to switch your votes simply bold the change; there's no need to delete your post, though you may if you wish.
- This match will end in 24 hours.

Samus is as she appears in Metroid Dread. She is equipped with her Gravity Suit, all upgrades, and all Aeion abilities from both Dread and Samus Returns (though only her single, recharging Aeion tank). She also has access to her Nova Beam, Corruption Mode, Upgraded Grapple and X-Ray visor from Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. Her Metroid DNA will not fully awaken during battle.

King K. Rool is as he appears in Donkey Kong 64. He has access to his techniques and weapons from Donkey Kong Country 2, DK Jungle Climber, and his Super Smash Bros. Ultimate moveset, with the exception of his final smash, game mechanics like shielding, turning invincible, or Mega K. Rool. And yes, he can turn invisible. He has taken the Command Visor w/Gunship from Samus, is considered to be givena full breakdown on how it works, and will be able to use it to at least an acceptable degree of competency. If K. Rools entire team is defeated, he will automatically revive at full health after his last teammate has fallen, including himself. His body will have vanished, and he will launch an automatic sneak attack on whatever remains of the enemy team the moment that they would have normally won. He will start the fight at 50% of his maximum health and cannot be healed in any way.

~VS~

Gordon Freeman is as he appears in Half-Life 2 and its sequels, with his full arsenal at his disposal save for the Super Gravity Gun.

Sagat is as he appears in Street Fighter V, with all feats from the Street Fighter series intact. His V-Trigger is Tiger Assault. He may use supers and ultras if meter is properly built up.

Jinx is as she appears in League of Legends and all its side games and supplementary media, including Arcane. She has full access to all of her weapons, gadgets and enhancements, including a swarm of Firelight bombs to deploy as she sees fit.

TL;DR: Gravity Gun Stronk.

Alright so I think this is going to be a real fun fight, and one decisively in my favor. We're in Ravenholm, which is a terrain with boobytraps and all sorts of fun things for the carry of the fight, Gordon, to do some work. Saw blades, explosive barrels, you name it, are all excellent weapons for the Gravity Gun to utilize. Gordon can't go exactly toe to toe with Samus, but his HEV suit is well suited for the wacky sci-fi attacks that Samus can throw out. And rockets? The Gravity Gun got that covered, he can repel those with the Gravity Gun. Gordon's tankiness and utility is not to be slept on here!

But first, I'd like to point to the fact the three key accidents Samus made:

1) She gave away her Command visor to K Rool. At first glance, 'so what?' But actually this poses the concern. If she's loaning out her visor, it comes attached to her helmet of course. Which is removable. So King K Rool gets Samus' visor, along with the helmet. This leaves Samus and her pretty face exposed. Need I mention saw blades being hurled like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5MDm-IPHHo&t=33s

Bye bye Samus' head. Or K Rool's body, really.

2) Samus' suit is made completely out of metal, so she's prone to being ragdolled by the Gravity Gun as well. Not really her fault, but totally valid that Gordon can fuck with her.

3) Hilariously enough, the Gravity Gun can yoink away the helmet and visor from K Rules gigantic head and used as a weapon against himself.

The terrain has plenty of openness-while it's also great for guerilla warfare. Jinx can jump from building to building, peppering down her enemies with her machine gun and rockets, zapper and Firelights (which are basically grenades). K Rool is going to have a very, very difficult time navigating Ravenholm's tight quarters. They'll also be making a racket as a woman in a Gravity Suit and a gigantic crocodile are pretty noisy, meaning ambushes are pretty well in my team's favor.

Sagat is a bulletsponge, and while he can't go toe to toe with Samus, he certainly can keep K Rool occupied from using the Gunship - which isn't so great in this environment considering how many buildings there are. The gunship has an equal chance of landing friendly fire IMO.

greengravy294 posted...

Sagat... certainly can keep K Rool occupied from using the Gunship

I was thinking the same thing. Tiger Uppercut has infinite priority and i-frames. It'll be hard to pilot with that prime anti-air in play.

This is pretty simple really. Samus still has the grav suit, which includes her helmet and an X Ray visor. Ravenholm is essentially you typical FPS maze, only in the open air. So she can see through the walls and Gordons team cannot. It completely shuts down any guerilla war advantage Gordons team might possess. Her Nova gun is extremely damaging and should have no trouble piercing walls as it pierces Phazon and phazon related materials and is twice as powerful as her standard plasma. She has a further array of new abilities with her new powers from dread but she really doesn't even need them here.

She can also direct K Rool on where to aim with the gunship from a decent distance.

Even if by some miracle Samus should go down, Kredits gives gives K Rool the ability to do a literal sneak attack with the gunship after Gordon and co must surely be pretty close to dead. At bare minimum the opening salvo here is likely to be Samus and K Rool launching a bombardment on a foe that is trying but failing to ambush them.

I think there are maybe a few miracle "Everything goes right for Gordons team, everything goes badly badly for Samus" runs of this match where samus struggles but almost none where she and K rool lose.

how long range is the gravity gun

like how close to samus does gordon need to get to actually grab her/her suit

Lopen posted...

I was thinking the same thing. Tiger Uppercut has infinite priority and i-frames. It'll be hard to pilot with that prime anti-air in play.

Gunship doesnt even need to get that close, it can literally just drop bombs from outside his reach.

samus

Other team is outmatched even if gravity gun is pretty good.

Sagat takes up pretty much the whole screen during Tiger Uppercut. He's like 7'5".

Chaeix posted...

how long range is the gravity gun

like how close to samus does gordon need to get to actually grab her/her suit

Even in that video, we're looking at like a maximum of around 10 feet. .

Chaeix posted...

how long range is the gravity gun

like how close to samus does gordon need to get to actually grab her/her suit

its fairly mid ranged, but keep in mind that ravenholm has alot of buildings, so any sort of range advantage is negated from it (as opposed to an open field)

greengravy294 posted...

its fairly mid ranged, but keep in mind that ravenholm has alot of buildings, so any sort of range advantage is negated from it (as opposed to an open field)

i do think this is somewhat mitigated by the x-ray visor

even if it's on k rool's head they'll still be able to use it to figure out where your team is

and they're loud enough to give away their position too imo

Just to be clear, K. Rool isn't on the gunship, in case anyone thinks it works that way

He commands it from the ground with the visor. Think of it as a target painter, not as him being safe inside an interstellar airship.

I also want to correct Gravy's description of the Firelights. They're not grenades. They're autonomous flying explosive robots.

https://old.reddit.com/r/RTvideos/comments/s4bgb2/today_on_that_didnt_do_what_i_thought_itd_do/

(I would also note that the gravity gun doesn't work on organics in Half-Life 2. It's up to Gravy to prove Samus can be grabbed imo)

Via the magic of merx (tm) the X Ray Visor and Command Visor are in fact two entirely different items.

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Just to be clear, K. Rool isn't on the gunship, in case anyone thinks it works that way

He commands it from the ground with the visor. Think of it as a target painter, not as him being safe inside an interstellar airship.

I also want to correct Gravy's description of the Firelights. They're not grenades. They're autonomous flying explosive robots.

https://old.reddit.com/r/RTvideos/comments/s4bgb2/today_on_that_didnt_do_what_i_thought_itd_do/

(I would also note that the gravity gun doesn't work on organics in Half-Life 2. It's up to Gravy to prove Samus can be grabbed imo)

Right and K Rool is nothing if not adept at bossing underlings like this gunship around.

i think my headcanon reconciles this by k rool NOT getting the helmet, and instead getting a screen with some circuit boards attached. It'll be up to him to fashion a stick or some other device to hold it up or something, but he did this prebattle, since it's stated he can use it to an acceptable degree of competency

Well even if Samus has her helmet, it can be easily detached with the Gravity Gun. It'd be like disarming someone's gun with it - they might be organic but they have it in their hands. It'll suck it up basically.

But yeah IMO (lol), she gave away a visor, which comes with her hat, and she doesn't have a backup hat to use the x-ray vision anyway.

Either samus has her helmet to use her x-ray scanner
OR
King Kruel has the command visor, and doesn't have the helmet, so it's effectively useless without the functionality of the helmet.

It's one of the other, no mercs magic here.

That seems plausible to me, yeah. I don't think Samus has lost her helmet (she has the X-Ray Visor), it's more like K. Rool got the technology of the command visor and had something fashioned for himself.

As for this match itself...idk, it's a toughie. I'm not sure how resilient to her own rockets Samus is, and I do think that's going to blindside her. On top of that, Jinx is a horror with her Firelights and the Super Mega Death Rocket. Samus can tank an explosion, but what about two dozen? Or fifty (refer to the vid I posted above for an example)? On the other hand though, Dread era Samus is terrifying. I don't know Metroid well enough to have a complete picture of her, but as far as I know, this is her peak thus far, surpassing even her MP3 self. It's gonna be a lot of work bringing her down, if it can be done at all.

greengravy294 posted...

It's one of the other, no mercs magic here.

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i see bold bro, thats the definition of mercs magic

Keep in mind that there's PLENTY, PLENTY of stuff for Gordon to throw around. If you watched my video it bisects a mook like butter and a knife. He's going to die a really sad death especially at 'half health' (until reviving).

Even still just on physical specs, Samus has so much ability to dip and dive in her own right and she has both orbital bombardment help via K Rool who can actually be invisible the entire time since hes not actually doing any physical attacking AND frankly the much more deadly, much more long distance weapon.

Plus its LITERALLY a gravity suit. It is DESIGNED to resist high gravity fuckery AND let her operate well in low gravity. and is locked together pretty damn tight considering its basically a space suit.

I just dont think that argument holds any water at all.

Dante posted...

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i see bold bro, thats the definition of mercs magic

well it just says he has a visor, which comes with the hat, so are there two hats?

KanzarisKelshen posted...

That seems plausible to me, yeah. I don't think Samus has lost her helmet (she has the X-Ray Visor), it's more like K. Rool got the technology of the command visor and had something fashioned for himself.

As for this match itself...idk, it's a toughie. I'm not sure how resilient to her own rockets Samus is, and I do think that's going to blindside her. On top of that, Jinx is a horror with her Firelights and the Super Mega Death Rocket. Samus can tank an explosion, but what about two dozen? Or fifty (refer to the vid I posted above for an example)? On the other hand though, Dread era Samus is terrifying. I don't know Metroid well enough to have a complete picture of her, but as far as I know, this is her peak thus far, surpassing even her MP3 self. It's gonna be a lot of work bringing her down, if it can be done at all.

I think Samus is a smart enough combatant to know the firelights are going to be an enemy attack. A strange swarm of glowing insects sounds like exactly the kind of thing she'd be ready for, especially in the context of a deathmatch. And the SMDR hitting is pretty unlikely unless Jinx gets the full jump on Samus which is also unlikely.

i don't agree it comes with the visor. you find many visor upgrades in metroid primes, which then give you the visors. Its a screen that slots in and then pops in front of your face when applicable, and this screen came out imo imo imo

I think she's experienced enough to know what they are too. It's moreso just, can she afford to shoot down Firelights when being shot at? They're very small flying targets. It feels more likely that she focuses on the enemy team and has to avoid or tank the Firelights than spending her time gunning them down.

Releasing them through Ravenholm, a notoriously claustrophobic area, is definitely something that can catch even Samus off guard.

It wouldn't work so well as in an open field, I admit, but this isn't one.

I really don't want to sleep on Jinx's arsenal either, even beyond the firelight bombs and super rocket. She's got a fully functional minigun besides, and I don't buy K Rool lasting very long against getting perforated by it, even with his bulk. Plus, she's all about guerrilla combat - the more mayhem, the better.

I absolutely don't buy the grav gun getting to ragdoll Samus or even snatch her helmet from her -- no showings in game to justify that from what I can recall. Still, closer than it looks. Slightly leaning toward team Gordon.

i think trdl just perfectly summed up my actual thoughts on the match. gonna mull it over a bit its closer than it originally seemed

KanzarisKelshen posted...

I think she's experienced enough to know what they are too. It's moreso just, can she afford to shoot down Firelights when being shot at? They're very small flying targets. It feels more likely that she focuses on the enemy team and has to avoid or tank the Firelights than spending her time gunning them down.

There is also the matter that she isn't gonna be around to use them THAT long since Jinx even in the context of her own game isn't especially tanky. Samus just points Jinx's position out to K Rool and he blows her up .

K. Rool flies gunship in, Sagat destroys it with Tiger Uppercut.

This builds a lot of meter which helps him and a well placed Tiger Genocide could win him the match. The question is does Sagat try to zone Samus or does he try to go in

I asked myself this and the answer is when has Sagat ever rushed down? And I'm thinking never. Samus's range game is just superior to Sagat's.

Team Samus

Also keep in mind, Gordon has navigated this place successfully.

Samus has to stay on her guard with all the booby traps, which can catch her off guard when dealing with firelights.

And also, my team starts on at the Church, IIRC, which is a perfect area for Jinx to guerilla warfare, jumping from house to house. She can get an early jump on the enemies as they start outside, IIRC*

*been 20 years since playing hl2, may be incorrect

trdl23 posted...

I really don't want to sleep on Jinx's arsenal either, even beyond the firelight bombs and super rocket. She's got a fully functional minigun besides, and I don't buy K Rool lasting very long against getting perforated by it, even with his bulk. Plus, she's all about guerrilla combat - the more mayhem, the better.

I mean K Rool loves a good ambush himself and he has superior recon on his team to execute just such an ambush.

trdl23 posted...

I really don't want to sleep on Jinx's arsenal either, even beyond the firelight bombs and super rocket. She's got a fully functional minigun besides, and I don't buy K Rool lasting very long against getting perforated by it, even with his bulk. Plus, she's all about guerrilla combat - the more mayhem, the better.

I absolutely don't buy the grav gun getting to ragdoll Samus or even snatch her helmet from her -- no showings in game to justify that from what I can recall. Still, closer than it looks. Slightly leaning toward team Gordon.

Any of that advantage comes from the element of surprise, which the team without the X-Ray Visor absolutely doesn't have. I think there's a lot more ways this match goes right for Samus than not. Are there scenarios where she loses? Certainly, but far more where she wins.

Team Samus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz71F34UyIM

having watched this for a bit, im having trouble seeing mr k rule navigate this terrain effectively

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMZjndIr7aM&t=40s

I dunno, I think he can do just fine.

(Big shout out to Dante here)

The main thing giving me pause is Kredits, actually. Guaranteed sneak attack with the gunship is no joke.

Gotta go Team Samus here

More serious match thoughts

Samus probably 1v3s. Jinx is powerful but her chain gun has a really low effective range (her range with the chain gun is basically the lowest of any ranged character) and her rockets are kinda slow. She also has no armor. Samus seems like a strong counter to her.

Quite literally the only chance is if Jinx + Gordon can distract Samus enough for Sagat to get in and hand to hand her. I do think Sagat who can get in without getting shot can feasibly neutralize Samus with his superior technique and reach.

King K Rool really just has to do like.. anything and Samus wins. Even as just a body to occupy Sagat or Gravity Gun/Zap!/Flame Chomp CC would be sufficient. Could he matter? I mean maybe. But I don't have to think about it.

Lopen have you seen Arcane

No.

I tried :(

Definitely look at some of the stuff she can do there, she's not just LoL anymore.

That being said

I'd actually give it to Team Gordon if K. Rool's revive weren't going to carry the aftermath. However, guaranteed sneak attack with a gunship -- the idea of "using ship to fire cannons" being intuitive to a pirate like K Rool, so he wouldn't fuck it up -- has me think it clinches the aftermath of the 3v1.

Team Kredits

Lopen posted...

No.

TL;DR: It's honestly the real base of Jinx's model and not league, because it's a miniseries of her doing things in a cutscene environment. She's, uh, much stronger than she is in game.

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No issues fighting in melee, low grade superspeed, bunch of other things. She's not just a stationary gunner, she's actually surprisingly well suited for playing hit and run, which fits with how by lore she's a wanted terrorist.

I get a little wary of stuff like that if it's at odds with the source material

The game kinda paints a very clear picture of her capabilities strengths and weaknesses. I mean if it's matter of respect for her base capabilities I already feel pretty sold in that regard

But I might watch it out of interest. Or Gravy can do his job and hype her himself.

It's also a really fuckin good show

I haven't watched Arcane either!

KanzarisKelshen posted...

No issues fighting in melee, low grade superspeed, bunch of other things. She's not just a stationary gunner, she's actually surprisingly well suited for playing hit and run, which fits with how by lore she's a wanted terrorist.

This description is imo consistent with her presentation in the game though.

She moves super fast with Get Excited and if you don't CC her or play like a coward she can (and has to) fight at short range with her super fast attack speed on her machine gun

Yeah I don't even like League and Arcane is fantastic

Anyway,

Team Samus I agree with Lopen, basically, that Samus almost solos, so if K. Rool does... Anything, it's enough. And he will, with the ambush, at the very least.