Board 8 > Paper Mario Mafia Topic 8 - Plastic Codes Only Go To 7 Sorry

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I'm not talking about your fake claim. I'm talking about analyzing Sultan's role for how Hammer/Jump works. You're insisting you're right about how it works and that I must be scum because of it, but I gave a very possible alternative on how the role is read and you don't want to accept it because it doesn't confirm your bias.

I don't recall this. :)

It's why Ben voted me on day 1!

For you calling him Town??

Quoting the original post to piggyback off of Han:
You immediately concluded that ben's role was scum because you said "third flavor scanner" where Sultan was the first in your eyes. Tell me, when you saw what powers you got as backup, your reaction was "oh sweet I'm a flavor scanner now"?

gotta be honest, I don't particularly feel the Han lynch either. He just feels too different than last game.

my heart says sultan! my brain tells me this is impossible
lea is my preferred of the three top lynches though, i guess

Youre not on Isquen, why do you refuse to save yourself?

No because it literally doesn't work with my role.

My role has the same stipulation as Sultan's: Jump's effectiveness is dependent on the target. You're arguing that doesn't make a difference because Sultan has a Strongman modifier on one of his jumps, implying at least one scum has a resistance.

I don't have that Strongman modifier. Yet my role still retains that same clause, and therefore, I cannot just kill anyone and everyone with Jump.

I'll need to reread day 1 some.

But I'm currently at thinking Kirby Scum. I don't really buy Ben either.

Can't shake the feeling that scum han is leading us to his preferred poe just like last game, and he had a town person saying he was probably town then too.

I'm really relying on you here, ctes.

Can't shake the feeling that scum han is leading us to his preferred poe just like last game, and he had a town person saying he was probably town then too.

I'm really relying on you here, ctes.

Please elaborate, Han. You are at least willing to listen to reason and have a productive discussion that doesn't involve coming to conclusions first and then making arguments around that >_>

Like, here's what I think is going to happen. I'm going to die tonight. Han and ctes are going to claim something that is self-confirmable in a vacuum and can't be confirmed by anyone but each other still.

You know what would absolve your doubts on Han?

Mass claim

Yeah I'm going to be honest, I think ctes should claim as well.

To play devil's advocate, what scum equity is there in finding what is traditionally the least valuable kind of scan from town?

Maybe I'm being hyperbolic about "least" but what I'm getting at is it's very weird from a scum perspective. I want to know your theory on why he may be so interested.

Golly, that host sure did say flavor is important, didn't he

Han, you could claim your original role with no bearing on the ctes situation, correct?

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Can I ask in your confidence level in Ben being scum here, Han?

I am not against your logic in that testing Ben gives us a lot of info. I just think lynching Kirby gives us that info as well, while also targetting the person I think is scum. If you're thinking Ben is closer to a 50/50 than like an 80/20 or something, then I think Kirby is the better option.

With how much Dumey and I have been verbally brawling with each other, do you think this is all scum theater? There is absolutely no way we are both on the same side.

If I were scum, I could easily kill Ctes and JC and roleblock the other. Why would I be desperate to fish for other scanners when I as theoretical scum could just kill whichever scanner is more threatening?

Besides, if I really wanted to lynch Dumey as scum, I'd fake claim a full flavor scanner. And if an actual scanner revealed themselves to counter me? It'd be an easy trade.

I also think it says something that, Kirby and Hb both being around, said "omg han claim" and then after you and sort of JC took over talking about it, they grew quiet. Really trying to get you to get the claim to happen.

Now, they could just be busy, I'm sure, I mean, it's no longer lunch hour on the east coast (if that means anything to them), but let's be real.

What would you call this argument, Dumey?

Does anyone actually think that Dumey and I are both scum?

Does anyone actually think that Dumey and I are both scum?

It's possible.

But if it's not, then it means that Ben is Scum, so really, you should both want Ben lynched.

Also, like, Ben is right in that Ctes and I are Town, but he's so confident, as opposed to people who are Town (JC/Peaf) having had a LOT of difficulty dealing with me today.

I wish I could see Ben's confidence wrt the other claims we've had today!

Han, do you think Ben is pocketing me?

For anyone who thinks I'm scum, answer me this: do you think Dumey is town?

With how much Dumey and I have been verbally brawling with each other, do you think this is all scum theater? There is absolutely no way we are both on the same side.

I criticized Ben for it because he said he laid down hints. I don't claim to have done such a thing, not earlier than Day 3 at the very least.

Truth be told, I was completely prepared to fake claim Vanilla in a mass claim to conceal my role (which wouldn't have been a complete lie since I was effectively Vanilla until Sultan died), so I made sure not to breadcrumb (though I was fully willing to claim my actual role at the end of Day 2 there when my life was on the line). I know that sounds weird, but I was under the impression that Hero was some sort of powerful role. I wanted my back-up status to be completely hidden from scum until it was necessary for me to claim in full.

Anyway, I'm still in support of a mass claim, so I'm leaving my vote on Red in case he shows up again. Otherwise, I'm still raising my eyebrow at Hb and Ben's roles conflicting in flavor. I'm leaning toward Hb. We've had four Star Spirits claimed, all of whom are vanilla. The only players that claim to be vanilla but not Star Spirits are Hb and Peaf.

I think we get more info out of Hb's lynch. If he flips scum, that lends more credence to Ben's role being legit, and also puts into question whether Peaf is being truthful or not. If Hb flips town, Ben's role is still dubious and Peaf's flavor could still be real.

For anyone who thinks I'm scum, answer me this: do you think Dumey is town?

With how much Dumey and I have been verbally brawling with each other, do you think this is all scum theater? There is absolutely no way we are both on the same side.

Besides, if I really wanted to lynch Dumey as scum, I'd fake claim a full flavor scanner. And if an actual scanner revealed themselves to counter me? It'd be an easy trade.

Han, the only reason I'm asking for a mass claim is because Ben's role is a huge question mark on whether it is town aligned or scum aligned, or if it's even real, and I believe that knowing the full setup can help us solve that.

If I were scum, I could easily kill Ctes and JC and roleblock the other. Why would I be desperate to fish for other scanners when I as theoretical scum could just kill whichever scanner is more threatening?