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What a flaccid finish to an otherwise pretty great game

UltimaterializerX posted...

You CANNOT call something that soft to decide a Super Bowl.

Completely Agree.

And just from a neutral perspective, it completely killed the excitement of what was looking to be an exciting super bowl finish.

AllHeDoesIsWin posted...

Two years in a row where refs bail out a stalling team with a weak call late in the 4th

Except the call last year didn't exist and this one was easy to make.

That one made me mad because that one was a phantom call.

all right, well it's over!

weird post season for me not having the packers there, and ready for the rebuilding years.

I don't mind the chiefs winning another one

What a game

I'm just glad I'm not an Eagles fan. I'd be losing my mind right now over that call.

Refs should get MVP tbqh.

They helped the Chiefs beat the Jags. They helped the Chiefs beat the Bengals. And now they helped the Chiefs beat the Eagles.

That was just painful

Bleh, really does suck that the Eagles collapsed in the second half

And yea, I am pissed about that call, but it was legit, as much as I hate to say it.

guffguy89 posted...

And just from a neutral perspective, it completely killed the excitement of what was looking to be an exciting super bowl finish.

Yeah, this.

I'm reminded of American Psycho. Had all this awesome buildup and then the ending was a screeching halt.

I don't like either team so it doesn't really matter, but yeesh what an ending.

I will never understand complaining about correct calls because of the moment

like, you want teams to win by breaking the rules? lol

Terrible ending to a good game.

Actually I'll just leave it at this.

One of the dumbest things I find about sports is the expectations that rules should change based on "the moment".

It's an incomprehensible way of thinking to me.

(And oh Lord the 5 minutes of that announcer bitching despite being told by both Mike and the other announcer the call was good we'e easily the worst thing to happen to that game.)

MZero posted...

I will never understand complaining about correct calls because of the moment

like, you want teams to win by breaking the rules? lol

Almost everyone watching wants lighter interpretations of penalties as a whole, the moment just magnifies it

Even if it's technically correct, there should have been way more holding calls that whole game if you're going to call something that weak.

Pretty dang happy right now

wish my dad was still around to enjoy this, glad he got to be here for the first one

wish it didnt end on that call, it was a hell of a game

thanks yall

That was a great game. Penalties happen and usually decide a game. Chiefs were killing them on those in and out plays.

I mean, I want the correct interpretation of the rules. The issue is that you could likely find a reason to throw a penalty on practically every single play if you wanted.

I fell asleep around the 2. Meh.

It was a ticky tack call. If you're going to call that every time, you're going to slow the speed of the game down. Which is why it shouldn't be called at all. Time to change the rules tbh.

Crescent-Moon posted...

One of the dumbest things I find about sports is the expectations that rules should change based on "the moment".

NFL Blitz rules inside the 2 minute warning of each half.

yeah, you're acting like penalties don't have severities to them. Especially with offensive/defensive holding. What's that popular saying? "A ref could call offensive holding on a lineman on just about every play if he wanted to." We even see in games where some games they "let players get away with it" more and other games where they are calling everything a foul.

So the moment totally matters when the call is a borderline ticky-tack holding call like that.

The call didn't change the outcome of the game, probably. No reason to be too upset about it.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Actually I'll just leave it at this.

One of the dumbest things I find about sports is the expectations that rules should change based on "the moment".

It's an incomprehensible way of thinking to me.

It's more of a consistency thing. If you're gonna call something like that at the very end of the game to change the entire flow, then you should be calling it all game. It's a correct call, but the timing and inconsistency just makes it look like the refs are just choosing when they feel like calling something or not, which makes it stand out and thus people complain. Be ticky-tack all game, or don't be at all.

EDIT: Hell, I was disagreeing with people here over a game a few weeks ago because they were saying the refs made too many calls, and I was fine with it because they were pretty much consistently ticky-tack all game.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

The call didn't change the outcome of the game, probably. No reason to be too upset about it.

That's just it though, we'll never know. Maybe the Chiefs didn't need it. Maybe with a bit of extra time, the Eagles drive for a game tying FG or even get a touchdown. Maybe Mahomes gets the ball back after that, and Mahomes with 12 seconds left drives for a TD. We were denied the chance to find out.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

The call didn't change the outcome of the game, probably. No reason to be too upset about it.

Even if it doesn't, Eagles likely get the ball back with about 90 seconds left.

Inconsistent ref calls is like a razor-thin contest match getting decided by a 500 vote rally surge in the last 15 minutes

Ashethan posted...

That's just it though, we'll never know. Maybe the Chiefs didn't need it. Maybe with a bit of extra time, the Eagles drive for a game tying FG or even get a touchdown. Maybe Mahomes gets the ball back after that, and Mahomes with 12 seconds left drives for a TD. We were denied the chance to find out.

We were also denied the chance to find out how the Jets would have done in the first round of playoffs.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

We were also denied the chance to find out how the Jets would have done in the first round of playoffs.

I don't quite think ref interference caused the Jets to draft Zach Wilson.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

The call didn't change the outcome of the game, probably. No reason to be too upset about it.

Yea, my team was still going to be stuck with a minute or less to pull a hail Mary, so the game was probably sealed, but I think it's more that it killed the momentum of the game dead and felt like an unneeded nail in the coffin.

I think the call was legit as a casual fan, much as I hate to say it, but man did it sour the game. Instead of it being Mahomes pushing through an injury to win a classic, the perception will be that the refs ultimately won the game for them.

Ashethan posted...

I don't quite think ref interference caused the Jets to draft Zach Wilson.

not true. they missed the call.

unsportsmanlike conduct

literally.

Ashethan posted...

I don't quite think ref interference caused the Jets to draft Zach Wilson.

Ref interference also didn't give the Chiefs 38 points.

As long as you want to live by quantum physics, here's this: Chiefs win by 7 instead of 3 without that call.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Chiefs win by 7 instead of 3 without that call.

And I would have much rather watched that ending.

Yes, but with that outcome, the focus would have been on the Chiefs rather than the refs.

Hell, the refs have been calling decent close calls all game, probably might have been seeing as good refs.

It was the timing and the fact that it led to a wet fart of what was going to be a classic finish that hurts.

Even though I still don't agree with the call, I think we can all agree with the old adage "never let the game be close enough to be up to the refs". It is never just one play after all that decides a game. The Eagles dominated the 1st half, but the Chiefs responded in the 2nd half, and did just enough to win the game. Penalty aside, the Eagles had their chances to win easily had they not blown their lead in the 2nd half.

I think JuJu not being able to make it to the ball makes it look more egregious, so the refs had to call it.

Any call or no-call would be huge in such a situation. I mean yeah, you could look at it as the refs helping out the Chiefs there, but if they didn't call it they would have been helping out the Eagles. Except in that case, it would be purely the refs helping them because the Chiefs did nothing wrong, whereas you can play the DB for holding. I don't think the team playing within the rules should be punished for the sake of an exciting finish, personally

HanOfTheNekos posted...

As long as you want to live by quantum physics, here's this: Chiefs win by 7 instead of 3 without that call.

And that would've been a better ending to the game. More satisfying too. I'm not upset about the outcome. I'm literally a Giants fan. Eagles get an LOL from me. But players should not be left to the whims of the refs. It harms the integrity of the game.

Eagles fans deserve this

Yeah, it's a bummer to see a game decided by a penalty, especially since he wasn't going to catch the pass even if he wasn't held.

definitely not gonna see me cry any tears for Philly fans though

also I do wonder if they'll change the rules about being able to push the ball carrier after how the Eagles exploited it all season

I will ask though- was it more that the Chiefs got their act together at the second half or was it more that everything but the offense for the Eagles just collapsed?

I thought it was more the Chiefs turning it on, and more specifically going to the special part of the playbook. Those two plays inside the 5 yard line where they had the guy in motion toward the middle and then breaking off for easy touchdowns were plays I hadn't seen them run all year, and that was almost unstoppable.

The Chiefs barely had the ball in the first half. Once they were able to put drives together, they got rolling.

Also apparently Hurts slipped on his Hail Mary throw(though will need to see the replay to confirm on my end), so a lot of my fellow eagles fans and neutral folks will have a lot to deflect blame with tonight lol

I gotta believe he slipped on that final throw because that was weak sauce

Ashethan posted...

And that would've been a better ending to the game. More satisfying too.

I don't get why you think the Chiefs kindly handing the ball to the Eagles D so they can run back for a TD is a more satisfying ending. Pretty weird!

I was trying to think of where I'd rank this Super Bowl among those I've seen, and it's probably not even top 5, which isn't a knock, but the penalty made for an anticlimactic ending and probably cost it a shot at all-time greatness.

Off the top of my head, Titans/Rams, Panthers/Patriots, Giants/Patriots 2007, Cardinals/Steelers (might still be the GOAT), Seahawks/Patriots, and Falcons/Patriots are all probably better.