Board 8 > Paper Mario Mafia Topic 2 - The sequel should be called 'Paper Bowser'!

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You are literally using Ben not townclearing me like he did similarly in past games as a support for your argument on me.

You say you're fed up with people using past games as an argument, and that's fair. But then why are you trying to use Ben's reluctance to call me town (which he says was based on past behavior, most notably when I was scum) as an argument for why I look bad? I'm just not following your logic at all.

As a reminder of what Ben posted with regard to my alignment:
PunishedBen posted...

In the past I've always felt pressure to figure out my stance on your alignment as soon as possible to share with the rest of the game. But I'll be honest, the last time you were scum, and the first time in the new era, I thought you were playing very well and indistinguishable from how you would play it as town. MAYBE it was because I was on your team, but I dont know. I feel a lot more paranoid now. However, you will be treated as innocent until proven guilty as i will treat everyone

Okay, that makes a lot more sense now. Glad you're giving more explanation to your stances, because frankly there was not much to go off of from your posts before. Felt like you were just being opportunistic, but I see now that you've adopted the stance of analyzing this game without considering the past ones too seriously, or so you claim.

I'm still on my guard, though.

I am finally home and nearly died on the way to an 18 wheeler not compensating for how windy it is out here. I want to argue with Sultan and throw a vote on him but even with some inconsistencies, it's... very on brand. I think? I don't know. I'm rattled to the point of shaking and making needless random blasphemies to myself and am just gonna shower and call it a night.

I need a clear head for catchup and this certainly ain't it.

Isquen posted...

I am finally home and nearly died on the way to an 18 wheeler not compensating for how windy it is out here. I want to argue with Sultan and throw a vote on him but even with some inconsistencies, it's... very on brand. I think? I don't know. I'm rattled to the point of shaking and making needless random blasphemies to myself and am just gonna shower and call it a night.

I need a clear head for catchup and this certainly ain't it.

I'll give isquen this I actually like this post.

I feel this seems genuinely frustrated.

Now im conflicted. Is the frustration enough to make me second guess myself? Is that one post good enough to take a step back?

Also kriby vs Lea I'm not sure what to think about i can see both of there points. Maybe I need a reread of this interaction

Tbf I'd also be pretty frustrated if I almost died

Get some rest, Isquen. Seems you've had a rough day

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Yes but it doesn't hurt seeing both sides of the argument

Hello. My name is Dumey. I have zero scum reads at the moment. AMA.

Hi, Dumey. If you've got no scum reads, who do you feel most confident in being town?

Alternatively, Dumey, who do you think is most likely to be specialed today?

Me, duh.

I think from the people that have actually been involved in arguments and conversation, it's oddly HB, because of seeing him be so confidently wrong. I think the bravado he put up and not backing down at all when everyone told him he wasn't making sense makes him aggravated town more than scum.

I think almost all of JC's takes have neatly aligned with my own, so I feel like he's looking at things from the same perspective I am.

I feel like Han has made several good pushes for pressure. This one is the most volatile, but every interaction he's been in I've come out at the ended giving him a small plus. Maybe that's actually a red flag in a way, but I'm not that paranoid yet.

Oh hi more people, I should've refreshed!

Chaeix posted...

Alternatively, Dumey, who do you think is most likely to be specialed today?

Either a inactive like Red (more likely than the sick Ulti) or probably someone like HB who has frustrated multiple people. Though as I just explained above, I'd obviously be against that at the moment.

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Hey. I like people that post in paragraphs, as I tend to type more than I need to. So I like you and Kirby so far for that. But I am reading your exchanges carefully.

That seemed like a back-handed compliment, but I did mean it in a nice way.

Chaeix posted...

This post has been sitting on my mind for the last little bit and I need some help. Can someone help me with some recollection?

In a game recently (before Xenoblade) Han was in an argument with someone (I dont remember who) and I think it was Lea(?) who came in and voice of reasond the whole thing and then Han gave town points to the person who was the voice of reason. (version 1 of events)

But it also may have been the person Han debated with taking the high road and not a third party voice of reason. (version 2 of events)

my memory sucks but anyways Hans post strikes me as strange and inconsistent with past Han if the first version of events is true, there is nothing wrong with it if the second version is true

Does anyone else remember this? Can someone help me figure out if theres actually a red flag or if Im just misremembering?

It's not a red flag. There's a very significant detail that is different between the two scenarios that you are not including in your analysis.

Peace___Frog posted...

I don't remember, but yes it's a shit post from Han

Peaf looks real bad for this post, though.

I felt similarly about jc and hb, but not for Han. I wonder how jc sees things, and if he could break our tie.

Like, Peaf saying that post looks bad is just hella opportunistic, but lacking in any real conviction.

Also hi Peaf

Oh hi

Peaf, I don't think you actually think anything poorly about me this game.

Idk how you can say it lacked conviction when i didn't pussy foot around it. It was neither the first nor the last post where I've expressed that you are not in my list of town reads.

I find that quite presumptuous of you, han.

Someone before said (I think it was Isquen) that one explanation for people not having a lot of scum reads is that scum is either good players or flying under the radar.
My list of people that would qualify as flying under the radar are
INCOGNITO:
Ben
Cody
Plum
Red
Ulti
THEY'VE BEEN HERE BUT I DON'T REALLY FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THEM AT ALL:
Ctes
Death
Isquen
SBell

I would also accept putting JC up there, but I personally feel like I have something there, so I left him out for my list.

Death has been consistently posting, but is still under the radar because I'm not sure what I've seen him post 'strongly' on anything yet. Though I think that's just Death's normal playstyle.
SBell has been here and actively going back and forth with people, I feel like he's close to being off the list. I just know last game (granted he was scum), he seemed more inclined to give opinions on his scum and town tells. Maybe the fact that he's playing a little closer to the chest is a good thing here? Just makes it harder for me to read.
Everyone else I just need more from. Cody can have some leeway being new, but I'd like him to try and give some commentary sometime, as even from an outside perspective, him saying "this person seems genuine" or something like that would be neat. Plum has been endorsing multiple posts as things he likes and dislikes, and that's about all I remember of Plum.

Peace___Frog posted...

I find that quite presumptuous of you, han.

I'm Town and have done nothing Scummy.

I've created some pressure and moved on past a nothing spat with SBell.

Thinking I'm Town is the only option.

or lying

I said Ben was my pick for 4th Scum, someone gave a bad defense saying he was 100% town, then he disappeared forever

Obellisk posted...

I really meant that as a in the near future kind of thing, not an immediate.

I'm trying to figure out what kind of statement this is because generally if you want someone replaced you pretty much just want it immediately(And generally its talk that shouldn't be done aside in passing)

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I'm Town and have done nothing Scummy.

I've created some pressure and moved on past a nothing spat with SBell.

Thinking I'm Town is the only option.

or lying

Surely you're more introspective than to think that everyone thinks the same way as you.

EDumey posted...

I think almost all of JC's takes have neatly aligned with my own, so I feel like he's looking at things from the same perspective I am.

EDumey posted...

My list of people that would qualify as flying under the radar are
...

I would also accept putting JC up there, but I personally feel like I have something there, so I left him out for my list.

I'm confused.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I said Ben was my pick for 4th Scum, someone gave a bad defense saying he was 100% town, then he disappeared forever

That someone was me.

I reserve the right to rescind my reads. I'm only allied to Mario, after all.

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he hasnt put anyone inside the book:tm: because he's scum

EDumey posted...

Someone before said (I think it was Isquen) that one explanation for people not having a lot of scum reads is that scum is either good players or flying under the radar.

That would be Ctes who said that, not Isquen, just to be clear.

Peace___Frog posted...

I'm confused.

As in "I would accept other people saying that JC is flying under the radar, but I remember his takes more than the others on this list personally."

Kirby321 posted...

That would be Ctes who said that, not Isquen, just to be clear.

They may as well be sharing a player spot in my head, as I have them in the same exact bucket! But thank you for the clarification.

EDumey posted...

As in "I would accept other people saying that JC is flying under the radar, but I remember his takes more than the others on this list personally."

I see. Thank you.
I can agree with that. Still need him to break the Han tie between us.

Peace___Frog posted...

I see. Thank you.
I can agree with that. Still need him to break the Han tie between us.

Wait what tie am I supposed to be breaking

Dumey says he agrees with you on many things. I had felt similarly before he said that as well.
But dumey thinks Han is leaning town, if i read his posts directly. I currently do not. I leave it to you to resolve.

I have to explain my thought process more to properly respond to Han pointing out the difference in situations and I am a little too on-the-go for a thoughtful explanation at this exact moment. He deliberately left details of what this difference is out of his post which I want to see if I can correctly address without asking.

but if Han wants to explain the difference while Im busy thats always welcome.

this post ended up much longer than I expected, ironic

Oh I'd rather see you try it.

But it's a pretty significant detail that explains why I specifically would have a different reaction to the two situations.

(Though I'll admit not recalling the situation from the old game)

Meant to say, read his posts correctly**

Han, who are you replying to?

Votals as of 190 - Paranoid if mobile ctrl+f is working edition

Kirby [2] - Han, Lea, (Sultan), (Peaf)
Sultan [2] - Plum, Hb
Isquen [1] - Sultan
Lea [1] - Kirby
Hb [0] - (Sultan)
Dumey [0] - (Peaf)
Ben [0] - (Peaf)
Sbell [0] - (Plum)

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Day ends at 9:00 P.M. Eastern. (or approximately 21.5 hours from now). Check for errors as always. Especially with evil mobile about.

I was replying to JC

Everyone is so quiet at night and I hate it.

i was hoping that would wake someone I don't know why I hope.

Hi Red, how's it going?

EDumey posted...

Cody can have some leeway being new, but I'd like him to try and give some commentary sometime, as even from an outside perspective, him saying "this person seems genuine" or something like that would be neat.

Gonna be honest, I was not expecting so much back and forth banter on day 1 with nothing concrete to go on. I feel like I will be a more talkative and hopefully productive player by day 2 once I've gotten my sea legs a bit more, and there is more to go off of. I'll try and form some gut thoughts going forward though when I can.

Did an ISO of Isquen and Ctes to differentiate them in my mind, and they're very different. I think I must have literally just been ignoring Isquen cause wow I think a lot differently now.

I won't post the Ctes ISO, because it's largely nothing. Ctes has been largely inoffensive, keeping up with the game, and offering opinions here or there. No red flags. Seems a little bit cautious of looking bad, like in post 1.252 where he asks what a good "I'm here" post is because both Isquen and Kirby got called out for theirs. Also questions why so many people are defending Sultan in post 1.428.
I think his list post in 2.073 was fine, if not mostly safe. I actually don't like Kirby's response to it in 2.076.

Kirby321 posted...

Wow! I guess that's a lot of effort just to say you have no reads, golly gee!

Salty sarcasm aside, I agree with this assessment:

Corrik had the same feeling in Yu-Gi-Oh Mafia, and his suspicions were very correct there. We may be looking at a similar state here. Your town list also aligns with mine, though I feel better about Sultan than you do.

Maybe the humor in the first line just didn't read well to me, but the "You have no reads!" followed immediately by saying they have a similar town list and think the game is in a similar state.

Ctes is town leaning to me.

Isquen ISO
1.008 Soft flavor claim.
1.206 Isquen's response to Sultan' vote on Kirby feels ... fake? "What was that vote. What." Also says he doesn't like Lea "jumping on the Kirby vote with Han" even though he seems to agree with the Kirby sus at the moment. Lea and Han both voted incredibly close together, so this seems like a missed context analysis.
Sultan and Isquen go back and forth a little bit about his soft claim.
1.218 Sultan "Anyone else got thoughts on Isquen at the moment. Also wasn't a huge fan of his catch up post either."
1.220 Han "Dude SAME"
1.222 Han "It was very "talk about the train without committing to any stance". Sultan my boi, methinks we caught two"
1.247 Sultan says he would start an Isquen train if anyone would follow.
1.269 Isquen says that Han "goes after people with misinformation to get reactions" so he thought Lea looked weird for "parroting" that, and Sultan worse.
Multiple people make comments about Isquen having a bad catchup post and not looking great in off-hand comments throughout the rest of the topic. Isquen returns in Topic 2.
2.053 "Conspiracy brain is going "yes, Sultan scum but with a weak role and hides it badly, smokescreen being set up by bussers with stronger roles." Sultan is not being targetted by anyone but HB. The 'bussing' angle seems very awkward here. Is this a perspective slip?
"hb's opinions largely align with mine... which opens up a whole other list of reads from the outsides that I do believe I'll keep to myself until I can get home and think it out a bit more."
Isquen throws in his hat with the one person who everyone has been saying wasn't make any sense for the past half topic, just because he's against Sultan. >_>
2.068 Sultan votes Isquen
2.129 Lea claims Isquen is passionate about crafting fake flavour claims.
2.155 Isquen nearly fucking dies on his way home, and says he'll catch up tomorrow.

I left out a lot of posts of other people dropping opinions on Isquen, but this largely covers Isquen's interactions directly. It looks like Isquen's primary issue is making some choice bad statements whenever they make catchup posts. I think Sultan's vote on Isquen is justified, though I'm not sure I'm completely bought in. Isquen definitely has more to form an opinion on than I was giving credit for earlier saying they've been flying under the radar. I think the strangest part to me here is bringing up bussing out of nowhere when the only people IIRC that were putting any suspicion on Sultan were him and HB.

I will give Isquen a chance to recover from his near death experience and explain his "list of reads" that he kept to himself tomorrow, but Isquen has leaped up on my list of "would be an acceptable B8 Special" list.

In fact, I think I'll join Sultan in pressure at the moment.
##Vote: Isquen

Isquen, when you've returned and had a chance to catch up, please give us some clarification on post 2.053 and if you still align yourself with HB.

red13n posted...

Everyone is so quiet at night and I hate it.

Red. Look at post 2.053 for me and tell me if you think I'm crazy for thinking Isquen looks odd for bringing up bussing. Maybe it's not so far as a perspective slip like I said above, but it looks like he felt there was more pressure on Sultan than there actually was.