Board 8 > Paper Mario Mafia Topic 2 - The sequel should be called 'Paper Bowser'!

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Obellisk posted...

Oh i thought we were just voting for 3 letter named players with no context so we can look as scummy as possible.

Ok, Sbe

Peace___Frog posted...

... what

You said you were leadery in the previous game. So when I say "Peaf is normally leadery as Town", I am right going back a short amount of time.

I can't be lying if I'm just wrong. But also, according to your own words, I am right, even if it's only for one game's worth of time.

Either way, saying "what" ignores the rest of what i said.

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I was busy all yesterday afternoon and night. Today i thought I was going to be able to catch up at work but I'm gonna have to drive around all day. Very frustrating

HanOfTheNekos posted...

You said you were leadery in the previous game. So when I say "Peaf is normally leadery as Town", I am right going back a short amount of time.

I can't be lying if I'm just wrong. But also, according to your own words, I am right, even if it's only for one game's worth of time.

Either way, saying "what" ignores the rest of what i said.

"Normally" typically implies that you are basing what follows off of more than just one event.

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Lea, you've not posted a single Simpsons frame or much joke at all. It is atypical of you. Even if you have a good reason, you admit that your play is perhaps atypical, yes?

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Well like I had HB point out there are how many people in Mario's party that do not have arm left it very open ended to probably fit 2 people maybe more from the safe list it was very losely done

Why are you still hung up about the party thing?

Peace___Frog posted...

"Normally" typically implies that you are basing what follows off of more than just one event.

Now you're just nitpicking.

Peaf, if I were Scum, in like, every previous game you've been in, I would consider you as a high priority kill. Right now, I do not feel that way.

That's the cruz of things. I haven't finished my reskimming, but you would have more success at defending from me if you actually got to work instead of nitpicking.

Like how Kirby did.

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Can you offer some more, then? Are you within capability to?

I felt a soul connection early this day with you, but since, it's been tepid. That makes me sad. I don't want to replace you with SBell.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I also don't know if I'd say you're deliberately antagonizing me. Like I said, the post felt more opportunistic, than it did combative.

It's not even necessarily "leading" that you're not doing - just feels like I've not seen any real analysis out of you so far. For how much respect I have of you as a player, you've missed the mark on making an impact on me this game, whereas you have in every other game, so far as I remember.

Since han doesn't want me to ignore this but I have actual work to do now, I'll just say this.

Perhaps my one post on Han was opportunistic. He called me out for it already once, at that time, and i was very in his face about standing behind what i said. He's going back to it again now, for the same reason, and says i didn't feel combative enough. Whatever, man.

And for your second paragraph - i said earlier that this is weird for me because I've had fewer scum reads. My analysis has always followed my reads, except in rereads. Which i have not had the time to do.

Do not misconstrue clarification for contradiction.

And I don't need Scumread exclusively. What are your Townread? Why are people wrong with their votes?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

And I don't need Scumread exclusively. What are your Townread? Why are people wrong with their votes?

I've done this plenty. Not my fault you haven't read.

I don't have time right now to give you more detail. If you wouldn't kill me tonight, perhaps that was my goal all along.

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Quick ISO of Topic 2 shows you only mentioned Ben when you were using him as a piece in an argument with Kirby and then at one point you said "Hey, Where is Ben?".

We also spoke about Broadway Mafia 2 which definitely needs to happen. So many new shows to include. But I digress. No negative remarks or Scum Leans by Lea in Topic 2 regarding Ben. Onto Topic 1.

Okay I havent caught up yet but anyone saying Plum is scummy..
Its not that I feel you are wrong, but I would like if if you could explain what feels different this time.
I have my own thing, but I am not sure about it.

What an opportune time to catch up to the most recent post.

I will say Lea, when I mentioned the paragraphs thing, that was me trying to get a feel for you as a player and taking your best posts in context.

I too, think it is disappointing when anyone is asked for clarification on their thoughts or motivations, and you only respond with a simple dismissal.

(I have some thoughts on Isquen's response to me that I'll post in a minute)

Han I would argue you killed Peaf last game because he claimed protection

Peace___Frog posted...

I've done this plenty. Not my fault you haven't read.

I don't have time right now to give you more detail. If you wouldn't kill me tonight, perhaps that was my goal all along.

I'll still skim, but if I fail to find anything, I'm coming back for you and I won't be too happy about this testiness!

htaeD posted...

Han I would argue you killed Peaf last game because he claimed protection

That is specifically true, yes. But in general, I consider Peaf to be a better than average player who doesn't get quite the Doc support that he deserves.

I also dont think he was nitpicking in that specific regard, but I am more saying that because I am surprised Peaf himself let that statement slide.

He was nitpicking in terms of focusing on semantics when my statement was basically "given last game, you led"

Ah you meant from a "why focus on the little details" angle.
Though honestly I'd say thats in character for him.

That said I do feel like Peaf should have his teeth sinking into a lot more players by now.

Topic 1 you start off with a lot of fluff. Your first real post was 1.108 where you approved a post of mine, and still, fluff. (around the same time I was being loud and wrong according to Plum).

Then you pounce, Kirby with the shitpost post, you vote! aaaand go back into word games. Interesting, Plum throws you a little shade and you claim Scum... (would scum claim scum...Oh the mysteries of life). But you eventually explain that you feel Kirby says too much while saying too little, which is a pretty good reason to vote, i will say.

Quick interlude. Kirby Post 1.176. Great response to Peaf. Loving it.

onto page 5. You and I had a vibe, cool. Post 1.244 to 249. You and I respond the same way to Hb. total vibing.

Oh shit, 1.274. You ask Ben how many confirmed Towns he found so far. First Ben mention. He said 0. sad.

Page 7, you might as well have not shown up.

Page 8, you get back to Ben on the original mention, but nothing negative or scum leany. You also sorta walk away from the conversation after Ben explains why he can't give you Town confirms. Still, you dont walk out with a bad taste in your mouth that you vocalize.

Page 9. Nothing.

Ok, help me out here Lea.

Kirby321 posted...

Specialing Red, Ben, or Ulti is completely fine with me, though, but I can't shake the feeling that all three are town with good roles. Maybe that's my paranoia talking, though.

Why would you be okay with that

Han, I'm not so sure Lea belongs on the super team.

PunishedBen posted...

Why would you be okay with that

I want to ask the same thing about him saying Ulti

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So i've proven you really haven't mentioned Ben and so now you've moved on to ends justify the means?

Obellisk posted...

Han, I'm not so sure Lea belongs on the super team.

I can't discount the vibes, though.

And like, I don't disagree with her vote on Ben for her made-clarified reason.

It's really more of a less presence thing, which is why I'm asking if she can do more, rather than gunning for Peaf who I feel has less and doesn't vibe.

First thing of note, Red was complaining about lack of activity last night. I post a big effort post and ask him a pointed question to give his opinion on, and he ignores me.

Red/Peaf scum team for ignoring Dumey!?!?

Isquen posted...

- Dumey, hello! I am not scum and am always very forthright about my unavailability no matter my alignment (with one notable case being the one over Christmas when I was travelling the entire EOD, got a smoking gun scan as evil, and died for it.) A lot of my reads, such as they are, get based on who gets convenient short term memory loss and goes after inactives that announced they'd be inactive. Sometimes it's a joke, sometimes it isn't.

I don't think anything I posted on Isquen was criticizing his availability. What I'm reading from this is that he is implying I am going after him for being unavailable?

And then his next action is to double down on Sultan because Sultan asked what OMGUS means?

Lastly the answer about HB was very unsatisfying. I think Isquen is ironically just going off his short term memory of how things went down with Sultan and HB, and did not actually digest the point that most of town doesn't have the same issues as him with Sultan's Kirby vote. I'd really love to see Isquen when he has more time to actually sit and read reevaluate his Sultan position and confirm if he still thinks it hold up or not.

It's very possible that this is "town player with little time to read the game, throws out bad opinions based on poor understanding of game." But in a game with so few scum reads from a lot of people, someone sticking a vote on such flimsy reasoning looks quite silly to me.

Speaking of which, SBell, did I ask you about Peaf yet?

Taking a short break from work to reread, and i forgot that sbell mentioned replacing Ulti on t1p1. For bringing it up twice... does sbell get lonely as scum? If he has red and sick Ulti on his team, maybe he doesn't really like talking to the other members and he wants Ulti to be replaced just so he'll have someone to talk to.

Peace___Frog posted...

Taking a short break from work to reread, and i forgot that sbell mentioned replacing Ulti on t1p1. For bringing it up twice... does sbell get lonely as scum? If he has red and sick Ulti on his team, maybe he doesn't really like talking to the other members and he wants Ulti to be replaced just so he'll have someone to talk to.

...seriously?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Speaking of which, SBell, did I ask you about Peaf yet?

running out to the post office. I'll run back through him when I get back. but clearly he's been tossing shade my way lately.

Peace___Frog posted...

Taking a short break from work to reread, and i forgot that sbell mentioned replacing Ulti on t1p1. For bringing it up twice... does sbell get lonely as scum? If he has red and sick Ulti on his team, maybe he doesn't really like talking to the other members and he wants Ulti to be replaced just so he'll have someone to talk to.

No

Isquen posted...

- While it doesn't 100 percent clear him, a talkative red is usually scummy. This has not been a talkative red.

Isn't this objectively false? In his latest scum game, he coasted to the win by virtue of letting town cannibalize itself.

Obellisk posted...

...seriously?

Well I've never been scum with you so i don't know how you are in the scum chats!

Red is 'more' talkative as Town, sometimes.

Honestly, Red's contribution this game has been "I don't have reads like I did last game when there were only 2 scum" and "oh noes nobody is here to post when I'm posting, guess I can't offer any content"

It's a weird semi-defense of a lack of play

That's not the worst reason to play Mafia that we've seen

HanOfTheNekos posted...

That is specifically true, yes. But in general, I consider Peaf to be a better than average player who doesn't get quite the Doc support that he deserves.

And yet you asked me how shit posty i normally am.

You seem to alternate between knowing exactly how good town Peaf operates, and not knowing basic things that even death was able to recall offhand.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Red is 'more' talkative as Town, sometimes.

Honestly, Red's contribution this game has been "I don't have reads like I did last game when there were only 2 scum" and "oh noes nobody is here to post when I'm posting, guess I can't offer any content"

It's a weird semi-defense of a lack of play

It is kind of funny for me, as i already mentioned i have more town reads than scum reads, whereas last game had a smaller scum team to start but i had more scum reads... so the vibes go, i guess.

Peace___Frog posted...

Taking a short break from work to reread, and i forgot that sbell mentioned replacing Ulti on t1p1. For bringing it up twice... does sbell get lonely as scum? If he has red and sick Ulti on his team, maybe he doesn't really like talking to the other members and he wants Ulti to be replaced just so he'll have someone to talk to.

Okay I dont remember Peaf being the type to have these specific theories.
Doubts rising.

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This is the second time you mentioned this, and i thought it was interesting that no one had anything to say about your assessment the first time around.

In simple Mafia i nailed isquen largely on gut early d1, then he got replaced by plum on d2 or d3 who then carried the rest of the game.

I haven't gutted isquen yet, but there's still almost 10 hours remaining.

htaeD posted...

Okay I dont remember Peaf being the type to have these specific theories.
Doubts rising.

In every game I've been in with lopen i have tried to convince you guys that he is not the king of madness.

I am.