Poll of the Day > I'm sorry but if you steal items via self checkout you are a scumbag.

Topic List
Page List: 1, 2
argonautweakend
12/31/22 10:57:20 AM
#1:


I don't actually care about the profits of a multi million/billion dollar company, but I just think stealing in general is scummy, be it a mom and pop store or a wal-mart. I can understand if people are stealing necessities because they are broke/homeless/whatever, but that actually requires a deep look in to why people are so depressed they resort to comitting crimes just to survive. That shouldn't even be an idea in somebodies head in a first world country, because social services took adequate care of them. Social services generally does not take adequate care of people, though. So that is kind of a topic for another day.

People justify it in all sorts of ways, like "guhh I am not getting paid to do this so i am entitled to stuff for free" or even the machine giving an error message as justification for stealing. I'm sorry, I just can't get behind the idea of it being okay.

This probably goes back to my time occasionally overseeing checkouts at wal-mart...people would steal right in front of you knowing it's very tough to actually get management on your side to do anything, and as a cashier you have zero power to stop them, just about(Though me personally, I wouldn't try to stop them outside of keeping and eye out and giving them good customer service so they feel it's too risky to steal).

I dunno, kinda rambling here, but I am not on the side of mega corporations but I am also not on the side of people stealing either because "fuck the corporations". At the core of it, I won't shed tears because somebody stole something from a wal-mart, but also at the same time I think the justifications for it are pathetic, outside of "person has no money and it's a necessity needed to survive".

... Copied to Clipboard!
Far-Queue
12/31/22 11:03:53 AM
#2:


https://youtu.be/kBzAQ176spY

---
What's better than roses on your piano?
Tulips on your organ.
... Copied to Clipboard!
ZangsBeard
12/31/22 11:05:18 AM
#3:


Be gay. Do crime. Fuck the Waltons.

---
Fear the http://img.pestilenceware.com/Zangulus/Beard.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles
12/31/22 11:30:03 AM
#4:


ZangsBeard posted...
Be gay. Do crime. Fuck the Waltons.
What did John boy ever do to you?

---
Muscles
Chicago Bears | Chicago Blackhawks | Chicago Bulls | Chicago Cubs | NIU Huskies
... Copied to Clipboard!
Gaawa_chan
12/31/22 12:38:05 PM
#5:


argonautweakend posted...
I can understand if people are stealing necessities because they are broke/homeless/whatever, but that actually requires a deep look in to why people are so depressed they resort to comitting crimes just to survive.
That is a massive leap in logic. What does depression have to do with economic destitution? That is a result, not a cause.

That shouldn't even be an idea in somebodies head in a first world country, because social services took adequate care of them. Social services generally does not take adequate care of people, though.
"This shouldn't happen in a world where this problem is addressed. But this problem isn't addressed. But I'm going to judge people as though it is."
Is this some sort of joke?

People justify it in all sorts of ways, like "guhh I am not getting paid to do this so i am entitled to stuff for free"
No, it's "I need this shit and I can't get it legitimately for reasons completely out of my control. The cost to benefit ratio of stealing what I need to a tiny loss in profit to a multi-million/billion dollar corporation makes this decision a no-brainer."

The fact that you're more offended by people stealing shit so they don't go hungry than you are that the most common form of theft is EMPLOYERS stealing from EMPLOYEES suggests that you don't understand the subject at hand at all.

This probably goes back to my time occasionally overseeing checkouts at wal-mart...people would steal right in front of you knowing it's very tough to actually get management on your side to do anything,
Because the loss is negligible to the company and you could ruin someone's fucking life over it. Imagine being happy sending someone to prison for years over stealing fucking food (and this isn't even mentioning the far more wasteful, expensive process of throwing people in prison. What, you get pissy over petty theft but you take no issue with wasting millions and millions of taxpayer dollars locking these people up? Please...). Stop centering your feelings and start thinking about the material outcomes.

I dunno, kinda rambling here, but I am not on the side of mega corporations
Yeah, you are. That is absolutely the material outcome of that attitude. What you feel in your mind means nothing before that.

Jesus, I didn't even bring up the fact that these corporations THROW AWAY more than is EVER stolen from them, and will go out of their way to make sure that desperate people can't even go through their fucking trash. No, no one gets to bitch and moan about theft while that shit happens. That's ridiculous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGB7QnOZj3g

---
Hi
... Copied to Clipboard!
ItsKaljinyuTime
12/31/22 12:50:27 PM
#6:


I agree that it's weird that "Theft is okay" has become something like a legitimate political argument. Just say "fuck it" and literally steal from the rich. Don't play fair. Cheat. As opposed to, say, trying to fix problems.

---
Kaljinyu
... Copied to Clipboard!
Nichtcrawler-X
12/31/22 12:55:08 PM
#7:


Most stores here have their theft policies clearly plastered on the walls out in the open.

Which universally is a 181 fine and a police report.

---
Official Teetotaller of PotD
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain!
... Copied to Clipboard!
Gaawa_chan
12/31/22 1:00:03 PM
#8:


Nichtcrawler-X posted...
Which universally is a 181 fine and a police report.
In the USA this attitude gets innocent people killed. You call the cops on someone here? There's a good chance someone is getting beaten or shot. And if the guns come out? Stats as high as 48% of the people shot in these encounters are BYSTANDERS.

I'm sure the cost of whatever piddly shit was being stolen was totally worth it, though.

---
Hi
... Copied to Clipboard!
argonautweakend
12/31/22 1:06:50 PM
#9:


I meant economically depressed as in poor not mentally
... Copied to Clipboard!
Gaawa_chan
12/31/22 1:07:37 PM
#10:


argonautweakend posted...
I meant economically depressed as in poor not mentally
My bad.

---
Hi
... Copied to Clipboard!
Nichtcrawler-X
12/31/22 1:07:39 PM
#11:


Yes, your gun situation is messed up, we know.

But that is only a reason to do something about it, not an excuse not to do other things.

---
Official Teetotaller of PotD
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain!
... Copied to Clipboard!
shadowsword87
12/31/22 1:09:03 PM
#12:


I don't care about stealing, never really did.

People steal because they don't have enough.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Gaawa_chan
12/31/22 1:12:01 PM
#13:


Nichtcrawler-X posted...
But that is only a reason to do something about it, not an excuse not to do other things.
"Sure that random starving homeless dude got shot to hell over the bread he stole, but it's not MY fault that I called the trigger-happy police on his worthless ass." Yes it is. The fact that you all care more about stolen petty goods than you do about the far more costly consequences of trying to penalize people over those petty goods suggests your priorities are wildly out of order. The taxpayer dollars you spend keeping desperate people locked up in cells will ALWAYS be greater than the value of what was taken for their survival.

You all prioritize baby level moral purity over material outcomes, sputtering with outrage over pennies when the fuss kicked up as a result is far more costly and damaging.

I'm sorry but if you care more about stolen necessities than you do about people's freedom, well-being, and lives you are a scumbag.

---
Hi
... Copied to Clipboard!
ItsKaljinyuTime
12/31/22 1:16:35 PM
#14:


Gaawa_chan posted...
"Sure that random starving homeless dude got shot to hell over the bread he stole, but it's not MY fault that I called the trigger-happy police on his worthless ass." Yes it is. The fact that you all care more about stolen petty goods than you do about the far more costly consequences of trying to penalize people over those petty goods suggests your priorities are wildly out of order. The taxpayer dollars you spend keeping desperate people locked up in cells will ALWAYS be greater than the value of what was taken for their survival.

You all prioritize baby level moral purity over material outcomes, sputtering with outrage over pennies when the fuss kicked up as a result is far more costly and damaging.

Is it more costly and damaging? You're talking about punishments for criminals. To not punish criminals and let them run free is a greater cost.

---
Kaljinyu
... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125
12/31/22 1:17:54 PM
#15:


Gaawa_chan posted...
My bad.

i love how that is the only thing he replied to.
... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl
12/31/22 1:21:13 PM
#16:


ItsKaljinyuTime posted...
I agree that it's weird that "Theft is okay" has become something like a legitimate political argument. Just say "fuck it" and literally steal from the rich. Don't play fair. Cheat. As opposed to, say, trying to fix problems.

It's ridiculous, but not that weird. People have been trying to fix the problems for as long as they've been problems. Instead, those problems keep getting worse because of greed that goes unchecked because bribing politicians is legal if you go through the right channels. "Maybe you'll be able to afford food if the right governor gets elected in three years' time and actually follows through on campaign promises to improve the cost of living, but the odds of that are pretty low because the voter base has happily swallowed propaganda telling them that the real problem is people not working hard enough" does absolutely nothing to address the problem of being hungry today.

---
This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Far-Queue
12/31/22 1:24:38 PM
#17:


shadowsword87 posted...
People steal because they don't have enough.
Not exclusively.

Some steal just for the thrill of it.

Some steal to get something they want, as opposed to things they need (food, clothes, medicine, shelter).

Add to this the fact that well-to-do people, including the extremely wealthy who could afford pretty much anything they desire, steal all the fucking time, and arguably harm the general population and overall economy far more than John Doe stealing a bottle of antifreeze so he can keep the car he sleeps in running so he can have heat in the dead of winter would.

---
What's better than roses on your piano?
Tulips on your organ.
... Copied to Clipboard!
ItsKaljinyuTime
12/31/22 1:26:49 PM
#18:


adjl posted...
It's ridiculous, but not that weird. People have been trying to fix the problems for as long as they've been problems. Instead, those problems keep getting worse because of greed that goes unchecked because bribing politicians is legal if you go through the right channels. "Maybe you'll be able to afford food if the right governor gets elected in three years' time and actually follows through on campaign promises to improve the cost of living, but the odds of that are pretty low because the voter base has happily swallowed propaganda telling them that the real problem is people not working hard enough" does absolutely nothing to address the problem of being hungry today.

Just because the problem isn't "People are lazy" doesn't mean the solution is "Stealing is okay." Because who then is it okay to steal from? If you have $1,000 dollars, but I have no dollars, how many dollars, if any dollars, can I steal from you?

---
Kaljinyu
... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl
12/31/22 1:38:45 PM
#19:


ItsKaljinyuTime posted...
Just because the problem isn't "People are lazy" doesn't mean the solution is "Stealing is okay."

How is that what you got from what I said?

---
This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Ogurisama
12/31/22 1:39:54 PM
#20:


Lets stop wage theft, that is a bigger problem then people stealing from WalMart

---
http://cdn-android.apptap.com/img/870/mobi.colortrilogy.bitlink/267135850.png
https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/10/5/uv4r7nGyrE6ylt2lHGWpiQ2.gif
... Copied to Clipboard!
argonautweakend
12/31/22 2:08:46 PM
#21:


Jen0125 posted...
i love how that is the only thing he replied to.

I am on my phone at work and can't really read all of it
... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza
12/31/22 2:11:31 PM
#22:


https://youtu.be/4Mmj3ReMihM

Quote from a this video

If merchandise is available and no one is around, steal it.
Steal several items at a time.
Steal as many as 40 at one time from one store.

Its one of my favorite training videos

---
Official King of Kings
Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around.
... Copied to Clipboard!
ItsKaljinyuTime
12/31/22 2:20:31 PM
#23:


adjl posted...
How is that what you got from what I said?

You said that the problems aren't being solved, and that there's "propaganda" making people think the poor are just lazy. It was in response to my post talking about how "Stealing is okay" has become an acceptable argument.

So if you were responding to my saying "It's weird that this has become an acceptable argument" with "Here's how that happened," I'm saying that what you've described isn't an acceptable path to "Stealing is okay."

---
Kaljinyu
... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl
12/31/22 2:37:08 PM
#24:


ItsKaljinyuTime posted...
You said that the problems aren't being solved, and that there's "propaganda" making people think the poor are just lazy. It was in response to my post talking about how "Stealing is okay" has become an acceptable argument.

Bringing up said propaganda isn't to justify stealing. That's offering an explanation of one of the many factors preventing the problems from actually being solved. The fact that the problem hasn't been solved and people don't have the luxury of waiting for real solutions (which aren't even particularly likely to come) is what justifies stealing as a temporary measure to not starve to death in the mean time (that, and the fact that the corporations being stolen from could lose 99% of their assets and those running them wouldn't see an appreciable change in their quality of life).

Stealing isn't good, but given a choice between somebody who stole a loaf of bread from Walmart and the multibillionaires that have to suffer that loss but can absorb it without even noticing, I'm siding with the former. Especially where the blame for the current cost of living crisis rests squarely on the shoulders of the greedy corporations that pushed things this far for the sake of making a quick buck, many of which are the very corporations people are encouraging theft from.

---
This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts.
... Copied to Clipboard!
JOExHIGASHI
12/31/22 3:10:58 PM
#25:


Don't worry. Big corporations have enough security cameras to catch this stuff. They just don't care until a person steals enough

---
In the long run we are all dead
... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth
12/31/22 3:19:12 PM
#26:


Stealing from corporations, who cares?
Stealing from small businesses, fuck that.

---
What would Bligh do?
... Copied to Clipboard!
Yellow
12/31/22 3:24:28 PM
#27:


I don't personally care, but I still think it's incredibly tacky and have never done it.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Yellow
12/31/22 3:25:24 PM
#28:


shadowsword87 posted...
I don't care about stealing, never really did.

People steal because they don't have enough.
Usually they steal because they're idiots
... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa
12/31/22 3:33:16 PM
#29:


Zareth posted...
Stealing from corporations, who cares?
Stealing from small businesses, fuck that.
basically this

I don't have enough time to care about people stealing from Walmart.

---
girls like my fa
... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125
12/31/22 3:36:23 PM
#30:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/4/2/AAAgaZAAEC-G.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
shadowsword87
12/31/22 3:38:31 PM
#31:


Jen0125 posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/4/2/AAAgaZAAEC-G.jpg

Oh god why did someone apply chromatic distortion to that text, this hurts my eyes.
... Copied to Clipboard!
DrPrimemaster
12/31/22 3:47:14 PM
#32:


shadowsword87 posted...
Oh god why did someone apply chromatic distortion to that text, this hurts my eyes.

It wouldnt if you werent a loser that doesnt have 3d glasses

---
Metroids Suck
... Copied to Clipboard!
dedbus
12/31/22 4:08:24 PM
#33:


I mean it sucks and walmarts probably not going to go out of there way to shoot you but eventually you're going to steal your friends nikes and they're probably not going to have a problem stabbing you for that so the problem will eventually self regulate.
... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa
12/31/22 4:09:22 PM
#34:


dedbus posted...
I mean it sucks and walmarts probably not going to go out of there way to shoot you but eventually you're going to steal your friends nikes and they're probably not going to have a problem stabbing you for that so the problem will eventually self regulate.
that sounds like a you problem

---
girls like my fa
... Copied to Clipboard!
VampireCoyote
12/31/22 7:00:14 PM
#35:


fuck capitalism

---
She/her
... Copied to Clipboard!
captpackrat
12/31/22 7:34:52 PM
#36:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/3/5/AAQwHjAAEDBH.jpg

Larceny = the unlawful removal of property (theft)
Burglary = unlawful entry with intent to commit a crime
Robbery = the violent theft of property

---
Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum,
Minutus carborata descendum pantorum.
... Copied to Clipboard!
ArvTheGreat
12/31/22 7:52:24 PM
#37:


Dont people download stuff

---
Things are about to get arvified
... Copied to Clipboard!
ZangsBeard
12/31/22 7:55:02 PM
#38:


Muscles posted...
What did John boy ever do to you?

Who is John Boy and can I steal from him? FUCK THE WALTONS

---
Fear the http://img.pestilenceware.com/Zangulus/Beard.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
hungrymike
12/31/22 8:20:21 PM
#39:


shadowsword87 posted...
I don't care about stealing, never really did.

People steal because they don't have enough.
U don't care until they steal from you.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Dikitain
12/31/22 8:20:46 PM
#40:


I mean self checkouts are basically a large company coming to the realization that paying employees a livable wage is more costly then the increased "shrink" that comes with trusting customers to check-out their own items. So take that for what you will.

---
My bookshelf: https://www.goodreads.com/review/list/152760030
Comics: https://leagueofcomicgeeks.com/profile/dikitain
... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl
12/31/22 8:52:33 PM
#41:


Dikitain posted...
I mean self checkouts are basically a large company coming to the realization that paying employees a livable wage is more costly then the increased "shrink" that comes with trusting customers to check-out their own items. So take that for what you will.

Heck, it's more costly than paying them *any* wage, since it's not like they've bumped their staff up to a livable wage after installing the self-checkouts.

---
This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts.
... Copied to Clipboard!
CashPrizes
12/31/22 9:01:38 PM
#42:


I stole a big pack of AA batteries at a self checkout once, just to see if I could. Worked like a charm, but that is the only time I ever did it. I try to avoid self checkout. Altho at Target the other day I might as well have, cashier was rude like did not say hello or goodbye (didnt say anything the entire time) and looked annoyed that I had interrupted her phone time....

---
Top 3 games of the last decade: Witcher 3, Last of Us, Mass Effect 2
... Copied to Clipboard!
Krow_Incarnate
12/31/22 10:45:37 PM
#43:


ItsKaljinyuTime posted...
I agree that it's weird that "Theft is okay" has become something like a legitimate political argument. Just say "fuck it" and literally steal from the rich. Don't play fair. Cheat. As opposed to, say, trying to fix problems.
I'm sorry, but are you implying that rich play fair and aren't exploitive of various loopholes?

Hell, loopholes aside, they push things to the very limit they can that are within their technical legal right that is no way fair to everyone else.

---
Hail Hydra
... Copied to Clipboard!
Krow_Incarnate
12/31/22 10:48:16 PM
#44:


captpackrat posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/3/5/AAQwHjAAEDBH.jpg

Larceny = the unlawful removal of property (theft)
Burglary = unlawful entry with intent to commit a crime
Robbery = the violent theft of property
/thread

---
Hail Hydra
... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl
12/31/22 11:23:58 PM
#45:


Krow_Incarnate posted...
I'm sorry, but are you implying that rich play fair and aren't exploitive of various loopholes?

Hell, loopholes aside, they push things to the very limit they can that are within their technical legal right that is no way fair to everyone else.

Loopholes that, in many cases, they put there because bribery is legal if you call it lobbying. "Playing fair" in this case just means playing by the rules that the rich want us all to play by because they benefit the most from them.

Krow_Incarnate posted...
/thread

Bonus points where the Wage Theft portion of the chart is most likely heavily underreported, especially where it struggles to capture anything to do with illegal immigrants due to how clandestine their employment tends to be (and, as a result, they usually face far worse abuses than the rest of the workforce).

---
This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth
12/31/22 11:31:53 PM
#46:


I always thought "wage theft" was the buzzword corporations used for when employees aren't "busy working" the entirety of their shifts.

---
What would Bligh do?
... Copied to Clipboard!
Gaawa_chan
12/31/22 11:37:17 PM
#47:


Zareth posted...
I always thought "wage theft" was the buzzword corporations used for when employees aren't "busy working" the entirety of their shifts.
Learn something every day.

---
Hi
... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl
12/31/22 11:41:43 PM
#48:


Zareth posted...
I always thought "wage theft" was the buzzword corporations used for when employees aren't "busy working" the entirety of their shifts.

It's also been used that way.

---
This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts.
... Copied to Clipboard!
fishy071
01/01/23 12:50:39 AM
#49:


I don't even use self checkout because I find it slower and more inconvenient.

---
"You don't need a reason to help people." -Zidane Tribal of Final Fantasy IX
... Copied to Clipboard!
Hard_Light
01/01/23 4:58:51 AM
#50:


it is not worth it to ruin your entire life because you stole a bag of chips from walmart

---
if you can forget there are bandits, and dragons to slay
don't forget that you defend an empty space
... Copied to Clipboard!
Topic List
Page List: 1, 2