Board 8 > Eff 2021 Mafia: Topic 11 - And that's the way it is, folks.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Good Luck (THE LIVING):
1) Ben
2) changmas
3) ctesjbuvf
4) Death
5) Lea
6) masterplum (replaced MysteriousStan)
7) MZero
8) SBell
9) TheSultanOfSlam
10) TotallyNotMI

Good Night (DEAD):
KD1 - Lopen: DMX, TOWN Vanilla
LD1 - Isquen: Alec Baldwin, TOWN Negligent Day Vigilante
KN1 - red: Donald Trump, INDEPENDENT Evolving Arsonist
LD2 - Scare: The Omicron Variant, 2021 Jack-Of-All-Kills
KN2 - Han: John Madden, TOWN Vanilla
LD3 - Corrik: Joe Biden, 2021 President (Pre-Game Recruiter and Team Organizer)
MKD3 - BCT: Siegfried Fischbacher, TOWN Special Double Voter
MKD3 - Suprak: The Ghost of Roy Horn, TOWN Extra Vote
KN3 - Chaeix: Leon Spinks, TOWN Doctor

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch! Day ends at 9 PM CST on Wednesday (a little more than 29 hours from now)!

TotallyNotMI posted...

As mentioned before, Untargetable feels more like a scum role in this game.

I don't think that is true. Not with a scum day vig and an arsonist

What would a setup look like where you thought untargetable would be a town role?

masterplum posted...

I don't think that is true. Not with a scum day vig and an arsonist

What would a setup look like where you thought untargetable would be a town role?

How does the arsonist play into it? town or scum, arsonist still needs to deal with it.

I have to get up at 5 tomorrow so I can't be around if we're ending tonight. As for why Corrik did things Plum doesn't understand, my only takeaway is that Corrik is really good at sowing chaos. He must have a strat that makes every decision RNG.

King VOTALS:
[3] MZero - Lea, MI, Ben
[3] Ben - ctes, plum, MZero
[0] Sbell - (Sultan)

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch! Day ends at 9 PM CST on Wednesday (a little less than 24 hours from now)!

Obellisk posted...

How does the arsonist play into it? town or scum, arsonist still needs to deal with it.

It makes town untargetable relevant

I am digging into why you think this game in particular makes untargetable a scum role. If it was always a scum role it would be a terrible role as every action becomes a cop scan

Honestly this might be a little pedantic as this game would be pretty unbalanced if both the arson proof roles were on the same team and Mzero and Ben both look pretty bad.

Even if we guess wrong we are at final 6and probably have one scum left? 5+1 against 18 with a scum extra kill feels rough. I think Town can lose day 2 with that? 2 lynches, 2 night kills, 2 vig shots and an arson kill? Would have to check to see if arson can ignite the same night they douse someone

Im not a believer in firm no D2 Lylo but it is a general rule

We might be headed to a final 4 with Sbell and I in it

Yeah that will go well

I'll say it again here wouldn't the host confirm that the gladiate did not work??

##vote:Sbell

This doesn't add up

nah, thats not unexpected. It would confirm both players roles

masterplum posted...

nah, thats not unexpected. It would confirm both players roles

Yeah I don't like that cuz it doesn't prove anything "it not working"

Untargetable certainly can be town. Lea said she was it as town recently. But in this relatively low power I think I makes more sense for scum to have it as a catch all protective role. I doubt scum has godfather/bulletproof/fireproof separately - untargetable accounts for all of those.

(Yes I know godfather is redundant but hey red was given it as an option)

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Yeah I don't like that cuz it doesn't prove anything "it not working"

Then we make Sbell gladiate to prove himself tomorrow. If he doesn't then we lynch him then. 0 point in doing it now.

masterplum posted...

Honestly this might be a little pedantic as this game would be pretty unbalanced if both the arson proof roles were on the same team and Mzero and Ben both look pretty bad.

I have been bad but not scummy. People are just being lazy and trying to lynch me cause my reads were bad. But if you actually pay attention my reasoning was logical and consistent. Sometimes you just miss

also you can compare this to literally any scum game I've every played and realize I'm clearly not scum but again, lazy

Sbell can still gladiate. That's also kind of bull shit he used it and it failed if it's true. Or that's atleast how I'd rule that...

Idk im not liking any of this in how it's being ruled

Roleblocked 1 shot actions are never lost.

Tag

Also the logical play here is to lynch ben. When he flips scum fireproof, I will be basically confirmed town and scum can't kill me. Even if I were to flip scum untargetable, that would not even confirm ben because there's no way to prove he's even fireproof, and also even if he was confirmed scum could just kill him

having an essentially confirmed unkillable town is much better

Deep breath Sultan. it's ok.

I can gladiate again next day phase. I'll even make it my first post of the day. if I don't, you can have my pineapples.

MZero posted...

I have been bad but not scummy. People are just being lazy and trying to lynch me cause my reads were bad. But if you actually pay attention my reasoning was logical and consistent. Sometimes you just miss

also you can compare this to literally any scum game I've every played and realize I'm clearly not scum but again, lazy

Who in particular is being lazy compared to who is being scum trying to push your mislynch?

mzero...

if Ben flips scum, you are confirmed town

but if you flip scum Ben isn't confirmed town?

I feel like I'm reading a plum post.

Obellisk posted...

mzero...

if Ben flips scum, you are confirmed town

but if you flip scum Ben isn't confirmed town?

I feel like I'm reading a plum post.

Yes because I can be proven to be untargetable (and you should know this more than anyone!) whereas arsonist is already dead so ben could not even be Fireproof at all. All we have is his word. So us being scum together is possible from an unbiased perspective, but if Ben flips scum Fireproof, it wouldn't make much sense for scum to also have an untargetable, which can be proven that I am

now if we lynch ben and he doesn't flip scum fireproof, that's a different story of course

I just don't think I have the brain for this at the moment.

sleeps.

PunishedBen posted...

Who in particular is being lazy compared to who is being scum trying to push your mislynch?

Lea especially is acting like bad = scum when we all know that isn't true. Also ignoring the majority of the reasons I was pushing BCT, ignored that I voiced suspicion of you throughout the game, etc. it just seems like she made up her mind that I'm scum because of the BCT flip and didn't really think about it all the way through. But I'm pretty sure her and MI are town obviously

Obellisk posted...

I just don't think I have the brain for this at the moment.

sleeps.

ScuMZero Untargetable + Scum Ben ??? that fakeclaimed fireproof = possible
ScuMZero Untargetable + Scum Ben Fireproof = extremely unlikely

if ben is lynched and flips fireproof, option one is eliminated. If I am lynched and flip scum untargetable, option one is still in play

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I already addressed all those. I thought Scare was town because his play didn't make sense as scum and I thought he and ben weren't scum together. While I thought Corrik was town, I was already pushing plum before he voted, it's not like my vote came out of the blue. and I didn't copy and paste anything on BCT, I had several reasons for voting him

You also ignore that I defended Isquen and have been consistently entertaining a Ben lynch (well, he hasn't flipped scum yet but still). Like yeah I was wrong a couple times, but point me to where my logic was inconsistent. You suspected BCT, tons of people thought Scare was town because his actions didn't add up as scum, and no one except plum was really pushing Corrik until the claim. You're just looking at results and not considering how I arrived at these reads

hmm i'll go with ##Vote: MZero here i think

also based on role meta i think i am looking very dead tonight unless they wish to split the MI/Lea pair first

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people have been entertaining it, and I'm obviously talking from the perspective of others as I already know I'm to going to flip scum

*not going to, obviously

et tu changmas

looking like opportunistic scum here tbh keep an eye on him after I'm gone

actually he's our only claimed scanner huh

he's probably fine actually

Personally I think it's weird to be using "if I flip scum untargetable" as a hypothetical in the first place lol. How can you base your argument on something that you "SHOULD" know is untrue ?

PunishedBen posted...

Personally I think it's weird to be using "if I flip scum untargetable" as a hypothetical in the first place lol. How can you base your argument on something that you "SHOULD" know is untrue ?

because I know how mafia works and that trying to convince people of something using knowledge only I have is pointless

Can we somehow kill both Mzero and Ben at the same time

its hard to believe one of these people is town

Lol I had a dream that Corrik picked Mzero to be scum with him because he thought it was the least likely event for RNG to pick as scum. And that does make sense since Corrik seems to think RNG owes him something.

If true, let this be a lesson to never mess with fate

MZero posted...

actually he's our only claimed scanner huh

he's probably fine actually

This is a plum post

I guess people really wanted that shorter day.

Sultan, I dont see why Sbell would fake being Gladiator even if he knew there was an untargetable (town or scum). He could not be certain town would want him to test it on Mzero instead of Ben. Ben was even the one he preferred to Gladiate.
And if he fails to Gladiate tomorrow, we will just lynch him instead..
I dont think you are scum for this reasoning tho, Master Duel Mafia taught me better.

Sbell I do have a question. What happens if a Gladiate lynch ends in a tie?

Oh of course people show up as soon as I start typing how quiet it is.

You are surprised it is quiet at 6 AM EST?

I feel like its not usually that quiet in my morning.

Anyway I am not sure if Mzero and Ben can even be scum together, if only because why would scum need a fulltime fireproof if they had an Untargetable?
I also wondered why Mzero would claim Untargetable if it just made him and Ben look incompatible. But then again he couldn't exactly lie about his role without knowing who tried to target him already.

I did realize that scum Ninja doesn't fully overlap with scum Untargetable anyway, since Changmas' claimed power could still catch Mzero with his watches.

Mzero assume we flip Ben and he flips town fireproof

What will be your defense tomorrow?

Mzero and Ben being scum together seems very unlikely from a role meta perspective,

But damn they both look like ass

Like an ass you want a piece of though, right?

unfortunately, I feel as though flipping the untargetable is something that needs to be addressed.

town loses this game regardless if Mzero is scum and we never lynch him. whether he's town or scum, scum can't/won't remove him at night.

so the question is do we put the whole game on the line, leave mzero alive and hope after a few more days we've won.

(dunno votals, holding off on voting I'm the event I'm hammering)

TotallyNotMI posted...

Mzero assume we flip Ben and he flips town fireproof

What will be your defense tomorrow?

I guess town has both untargetable and fireproof for some reason. I doubt I'd be able to avoid getting mislynched anyway though