Board 8 > Eff 2021 Mafia: Topic 11 - And that's the way it is, folks.

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Honestly I dont think the Mzero kill was bad. He was very wrong.

At this point Im almost rooting for Ben to be town because that would be funnier if we had two town players look so absurdly scummy with potential scum roles

Well...

I'll let everyone have their say and what not and then we can decide who I will be gladiating.

Town:
Doctor - protection from night kills
Untargetable - protection from Scum kills and Arsonist kills.
Fireproof - protection from Arsonist

Seems like a fair balance of protection.

Did scum flip any protection yet? did scare have some? corrik just messed with pregame shit right?

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I wouldn't say all that Lea.

I'm gonna play the "Han wanted to kill Death" card. I see you Han

##Vote: Death

Maybe I just feel like I'm just a joke to yall again so maybe I'm just being to emotional

Lea, not a good idea

Obellisk posted...

Fireproof - protection from Arsonist

When did Ben become confirmed town??

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True.

Idk why we're even putting down votes when we obviously said were making Sbell prove he is gladiator

Also, add to the the list of tactical plays I would never do as scum:Starting the day early

I would run this baby right through Christmas in order to make people as demotivated as possible.

I was mildly surprised scum actually shot early

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Relax girl relax

Quick rehash to get this over with

1. Ben hunting for the arsonist 3rd party day 1 is a scum move
2. Corriks counter train on Ben that obviously was going nowhere day 1 only makes sense if Ben is scum
3. Ben stating that if he got gladiated by Sbell he would be ok with death makes no sense from a town perspective and reeks of scum trying too hard to say the pro town thing

Always a chance I am wrong but any one of these 3 individually should give you serious pause

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Well I'm thrilled to be having the feeling right now that there's a chance.

Guess I need to convince Sbell

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

When did Ben become confirmed town??

he isn't. I'm looking to prove he can be town. or to argue that he must be scum.

Well i still wouldn't argue to kill Sbell over myself today if he gladiates me. Not really sure what to say to that. You can think it's fake but I just think it's the right decision.

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I'm sorry. Just annoyed knowing we could have avoided the mislynch but I know im not good enough to convince anyone of anything

After Ben I really dont know. Could be death. Could be sultan

I would be very surprised if Town had zero scanning whatsoever.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I'm sorry. Just annoyed knowing we could have avoided the mislynch but I know im not good enough to convince anyone of anything

Meh, I was right there with you sultan. Sometimes it just doesnt work out. Mzero did not play a good game. It wasnt a bad lynch

Obellisk posted...

he isn't. I'm looking to prove he can be town. or to argue that he must be scum.

Scum doesn't have protection but I guess one of the vanilla claims could be and they avoided claiming protection with Doctor flip and both Mzero and Ben being also protection claims.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Scum doesn't have protection

I mean, we don't know they can't protect themselves from the arsonist or a day vig shot.

masterplum posted...

Meh, I was right there with you sultan. Sometimes it just doesnt work out. Mzero did not play a good game. It wasnt a bad lynch

I'll say this maybe im more mad at my ability to get people tocdo things than I am than I am at any specific person

I'm sorry Lea I didn't mean to come off mean

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I'm sorry. Just annoyed knowing we could have avoided the mislynch but I know im not good enough to convince anyone of anything

I'm mainly just talking to Lea at this point, who may or may not even be alive tomorrow: but I feel like this is another post of genuineness from Sultan that I can't see him faking

anyway i think death and ctes are asleep right now, but i'm also feeling super out of it tonight. prob gonna call it a night here and think things over tomorrow morning, although ultimately we should be letting SBell gladiate today just to prove he can

Not sure If 1. Ben is trying to suck up to me to make me second guess myself
2. I'm wrong about Ben being scum
3. Being a mediator?

Look, Sultan has way too many things going for him for him to be scum in any universe. I specifically remember multiple people calling Sultan town after one of his first posts, where he made a weird blunder. Was this the same as the Afghan flavor claim? Between that, the posts Corrik made about him being obviously vanilla, and his frustration here, I can without a doubt say Sultan is 100000000000764% town and I will quote this specific post should the game be lost because of his mislynch.

Doing a quick look over, I think Ben/Death is the obvious last two but I want Ben to die to confirm him being scum before I really try to figure it out.

But honestly if Ben does flip town we probably lose because I will look awful. Ill suddenly be in Mzero tunneling town land.

So hopefully Ben is scum

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Not sure If 1. Ben is trying to suck up to me to make me second guess myself
2. I'm wrong about Ben being scum
3. Being a mediator?

I mainly am triggered because I saw both Lea and Plum say it could be you, and I really can't have them killing you instead of Death and Ctes after I'm gone lol

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I dont think there is any way in hell this is a 5+1 game with only one scanner

masterplum posted...

I dont think there is any way in hell this is a 5+1 game with only one scanner

Yeah I was thinking the same thing that seems very unbalanced.

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If there's 3 then yes. I was just assuming from a general vibe there was 2 this whole time. 4 + third party. Is that off?

Tbh Ctes has been very under the radar this game.

Makes me wonder if I'm over thinking Plum or Ben and Ctes is just hiding under the radar scum.

We get that alot here

Ctes is plausible

Anyone have end of day votes?

masterplum posted...

Doing a quick look over, I think Ben/Death is the obvious last two but I want Ben to die to confirm him being scum before I really try to figure it out.

But honestly if Ben does flip town we probably lose because I will look awful. Ill suddenly be in Mzero tunneling town land.

So hopefully Ben is scum

Then i think I need to spend the rest of my time explaining why I think you are town and see if I can get to the same degree of confidence than I am on Sultan. Because it's very hard for me to point to why I think Ctes and Death are scum. Easier to town clear and process of elimination, which is where I'm at

Suprak_the_Stud posted...

Final (?) VOTALS (??):
[6] MZero - Lea, MI, Ben, changmas, Sbell, Death
[4] Ben - ctes, plum, MZero, Sultan
[0] Sbell - (Sultan), (Sultan)

Hmm he was also on Ben

1) Ben- Fireproof
2) changmas- scanner but did he ever actually say what type of scan?,
3) ctes-Vanilla
4) Death-Vanilla
5) Lea-mason
6) masterplum (replaced MysteriousStan)-vanilla
7) SBell-Gladiator
8) TheSultanOfSlam-Vanilla

Just Friends (DEAD):
KD1 - Lopen: DMX, TOWN Vanilla
LD1 - Isquen: Alec Baldwin, TOWN Negligent Day Vigilante
KN1 - red: Donald Trump, INDEPENDENT Evolving Arsonist
LD2 - Scare: The Omicron Variant, 2021 Jack-Of-All-Kills
KN2 - Han: John Madden, TOWN Vanilla
LD3 - Corrik: Joe Biden, 2021 President (Pre-Game Recruiter and Team Organizer)
MKD3 - BCT: Siegfried Fischbacher, TOWN Special Double Voter
MKD3 - Suprak: The Ghost of Roy Horn, TOWN Extra Vote
KN3 - Chaeix: Leon Spinks, TOWN Doctor
LD4 - MZero: Being 84 and Unvaccinated and Dying From COVID To Own The Libs, TOWN Untargetable
KN4 - MI: Biz Markie, TOWN Pre-Game Mason Recruiter

Okay split this out
Town
Confirmed has
Flipped Mason
Flipped day vig
Flipped vanilla
Flipped Vanilla
Flipped Double Voter
Flipped Doctor
Flipped untargetable
Unfliped other Mason

Scum
Flipped Jack of all Kills
Flipped recruiter team director
Potential Roleblocker if Chang is indeed the only scanner.

3rd party
Arsonist

What we have claimed but not confirmed
Gladiator
Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla
Fireproof
Scanner

Looking at this list
Out of this list I'd assume one of the vanilla is lying.

ScareChan posted...

legit didn't even realize Stan is in the game

Interesting. What's our read on this? Remember that Stan = Plum.

PunishedBen posted...

Interesting. What's our read on this? Remember that Stan = Plum.

Adds more to my linked theory

I think it's more genuine than when Corrik said twice in the span of a topic that he "Forgot" Ctes was in the game

The difference here is scare said he didn't realize Stan was in the game at all. And Stan is as far as I know an old mafia vet scare would legitimately be interested to know is playing. Could this be enough to clear plum?

Corrik saying he forgot means he knows Ctes is playing, but jabs at his lack of presence

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Adds more to my linked theory

Linked in a good way or a bad way though? It's basic, but if we believe scare is being real (and he does preface his post with "legit", lol), it would mean scum scare didn't interact with Stan on the scum board to know he was playing.

Hard to say it could be a bus. But Stan also was pro scare so scare also didn't notice a supporter?

htaeD posted...

Ahahahaha

Why is it always Plum

This is the first post after Suprak announces Plums replacement.

Just remember it down the line when/if you've flipped a scum Death, because I think this is a pretty genuine reaction pointing to Death/Plum slot not being on the same team,

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Hard to say it could be a bus. But Stan also was pro scare so scare also didn't notice a supporter?

That's not what I'm trying to get at. I'm saying that if Scare and Stan were buddies Scare would actually know Stan is in the game. So it's a question if we think scare is capable of faking this post

masterplum posted...

I keep getting interrupted but I'm 200 posts in but wanted to post my thoughts so far

This is a very dumb role if true.

This is also a very hard fake claim I would assume. Hmm

Don't think Sultan would claim this as scum

I also don't like corrik attacking it. Odd play by him

Supark's .... Whatever claiming it can't be lynched is obviously a fake claim, but completely alignment agnostic. Stupid to argue about it.

Looking ahead and seeing dead lopen who also immediately suspected Corrik immediately makes me want to kill him without reading anything else.

If I can't catch up fully that is who I'm voting for

Dang Plum. First post of the game is strong. And look you even had Sultan solved at one time. When did it all go wrong? Lol