Board 8 > Eff 2021 Mafia: Topic 11 - And that's the way it is, folks.

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masterplum posted...

Mzero and Ben being scum together seems very unlikely from a role meta perspective,

But damn they both look like ass

how though

what have I done that is scummy? Being wrong isn't scummy

Like actually show me where I was scummy and not just had bad reads. Show me where I was inactive or had fake reads that changed for no reason or I posted fluff to appear active or something. Yeah I tunneled BCT and he flipped town but I just missed the mark. If you compare it to my other town games it's very similar. But yinz are just being lazy and want to lynch me because I was wrong for once, even though no one suspected me before that other than BCT himself

I dont think you have done much wrong necessarily. But I also haven't see you do much right either.
You feel like a nonfactor for all the major movements.

has Mzero ever used yinz before?

a quick search says yes disregard my question

htaeD posted...

I dont think you have done much wrong necessarily. But I also haven't see you do much right either.
You feel like a nonfactor for all the major movements.

that is fair

Okay but seriously why does anyone not have a vote down yet, what in the world are we waiting for.

Mostly I dont like voting while I am working.

Right now I am leaning to voting Mzero, though I am doublechecking his and Bens posts still.
Then again I figured nobody probably wanted to end the day at this time?
Sbell is waiting for votals, but Mzero is leading with 4-3 while Sultan is by himself on Sbell.

The only reason I'm iffy on it is beacuse I'd assume host would be like action failed but we didn't get that so it makes me take some pause.

I'm also hesitant on MZero beacuse of this same reason. Also a ninja and am untargetable as scum seems very over powered to me.

This also seems like town mzero. Way more active and wanted to murder corrik everyday isn't that like obsessive bussing? Does Mzero really bus?

I'm also curious why majority of the game thinks Ben is scum and keeps pushing him to the way side but maybe I just really suck at this game recently

If we end the day before 10am do we magically get an early start to following day cause that would be great for my schedule.

Mzero, chap, it needs to be done, if you are town I trust you'll understand we can't just leave this hanging in the air.

##vote: mzero

looking forward to a fun gladiation tomorrow perhaps with someone targetable.

If someone can explain to me how in the world with what is claimed and what we have flipped wh we're untargetable and ninja isn't over kill, and maybe ill be on board

The problem with them both is that it should be impossible for town to have both Ben and Mzero's role since that would mean Red cant ever win in many scenarios.

Btw Mzero is at -1 now, so be aware of that.

htaeD posted...

Then again I figured nobody probably wanted to end the day at this time?

I guess. Just feels like it's being dragged out at the moment with very little brought to thr table, so I'm trying to think of what to make of the hesitation.

htaeD posted...

The problem with them both is that it should be impossible for town to have both Ben and Mzero's role since that would mean Red cant ever win in many scenarios.

Btw Mzero is at -1 now, so be aware of that.

Well I guess red could have still arsoned the ninja so it could give scum someone susceptible to Arson. Or Ben could be scum fireproof

So why rush before analyzing play 1 of the 2 is scum and id lean Ben in thst senerio

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

If someone can explain to me how in the world with what is claimed and what we have flipped wh we're untargetable and ninja isn't over kill, and maybe ill be on board

Okay I did just notice that Scare's Ninja modifier was not a one shot. (it just doesnt activate for his special kills)
That said, assuming Changmas' role is not a lie here, the two could still fill different niches in that Ninja avoids Changmas entirely, while Untargetable avoids Arsonist and only Changmas' tracks.

Still, I was basing my own reads less on role meta and more on their content.

Idk how anyone looks at ben's play and think I'm scummier but oh well

I hope you guys try actually scum hunting after you kill me

##unvote
##vote:Ben

I may just be more annoyed with how Sbells ability to gladiate wasn't proven by host. Like their should have been an action failed message but maybe what makes suprak a great host and me a average to bad one

But looking at game play and what Dearh just kind if mentioned

It's Ben v Mzero for scum and Ben seems much more scummy play wise

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Well I guess red could have still arsoned the ninja so it could give scum someone susceptible to Arson. Or Ben could be scum fireproof

So why rush before analyzing play 1 of the 2 is scum and id lean Ben in thst senerio

I think scum having at least 1 role immune to the arsonist is also expected.
If nobody managed to lynch that one person, neither scum nor arsonist were gonna win anyway.

Mzero you could follow me on Ben.

I know the rest of the game wants to rush
But I want everyone to really analyze it as if I could be a director and make the lynch between Ben and Mzero and compare the play and really tell me no roles involved how Mzero is scummier than Ben who we've been all calling scum.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

The only reason I'm iffy on it is beacuse I'd assume host would be like action failed but we didn't get that so it makes me take some pause.

I'm also hesitant on MZero beacuse of this same reason. Also a ninja and am untargetable as scum seems very over powered to me.

This also seems like town mzero. Way more active and wanted to murder corrik everyday isn't that like obsessive bussing? Does Mzero really bus?

The gladiate thing will resolve itself tomorrow.

Depends in the setup and how many scum we have. A team of 5 seems seems most reasonable. But also Scare was not full time ninja and he might even use it when chang has no powers, assuming chang is telling the truth.

MZero as scum definitely busses yes, but I do agree otherwise. It was not before this oddly timed claim and through numbers being fewer that I considered him. One of the people I felt best about early on, though he has also made it seem very clear how much he is aware of his scumgame so. But my vote is on Ben.

Hey I am not rushing.
(mzero is already on Ben, my vote is literally the only one not down yet)

But like I said, Ben has both scummy points and towny points.
Mzero has neither as far as I saw. And I am still looking.
Your talk about ninja/untargetable is honestly the strongest point in his favor so far and I still cant accept it outright.

Adding this in here as well look at how day 1 went. Ben is scum fireproof okay. His scum mate claims day vig, gets counter claimed. BEN BEING SCUM FIREPROOF attacks isquen and outta the Blue no one has ever mentioned fire calls him arsonist.

Saves his ninja for a day and gets isquen mislynched avoiding isquen just murdering the hell out of scare first thing day 2

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I may just be more annoyed with how Sbells ability to gladiate wasn't proven by host. Like their should have been an action failed message but maybe what makes suprak a great host and me a average to bad one

don't come down on yourself host wise.

I can see your point. if gladiate was successful host would have made a bold announcement that we could only vote for me and mzero. we all would have followed suit.

host only sent me a pm to tell me my action failed. Almost like if I had sent a Nighy action and got back a roleblocked pm or aomething.

now here's the kicker, IF I am lying (I'm not), then by posting anything from the host to say it failed for any reason then confirms me as a Gladiator and provides information to the game. So even though I am a gladiator suprak still can't let the game know that until I successfully act

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

So why rush before analyzing play 1 of the 2 is scum and id lean Ben in thst senerio

Absolutely do not want it to be rushed if you or anyone want to do that, it just didn't seem like we were actually getting anywhere while it did seem like a vast majority wanted the day to end early.

MZero's lynch has two confirmed town, town's only gladiator and likely town Sbell.

Ben's lynch has plum, Sultan and ctes - three vanillas that has a scum hiding in them.

I'm feeling even better about lynching MZero.

TotallyNotMI posted...

MZero's lynch has two confirmed town, town's only gladiator and likely town Sbell.

Oops. Towns only scanner**

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

This also seems like town mzero. Way more active and wanted to murder corrik everyday isn't that like obsessive bussing? Does Mzero really bus?

I wasn't here yesterday so I didn't comment on Corrik at all actually

I dont know if scum would be that desperate to save Scare either when the have a roleblocker (confirmed only for changmas, but scum always has one anyway)

I still think Ben claimed to save himself first and foremost and probably genuinely believed Isquen was the arsonist (whether Ben is scum or not)

TotallyNotMI posted...

MZero's lynch has two confirmed town, town's only gladiator and likely town Sbell.

Ben's lynch has plum, Sultan and ctes - three vanillas that has a scum hiding in them.

I'm feeling even better about lynching MZero.

I confess that I have this feeling as well. But I cant depend on just that for my vote either.

MI does Scare being a near-fulltime ninja mean anything about the chances of scum having an Untargetable to you?

TotallyNotMI posted...

MZero's lynch has two confirmed town, town's only gladiator and likely town Sbell.

And zero actual reasons for thinking I'm scum

htaeD posted...

I confess that I have this feeling as well. But I cant depend on just that for my vote either.

MI does Scare being a near-fulltime ninja mean anything about the chances of scum having an Untargetable to you?

Nah. I think they serve different functionality. Ninja is immune to chang. Untargetable is only have immune to chang and can still be caught by his other half. Ninja can get dayshot or killed by arsonist.

MZero posted...

And zero actual reasons for thinking I'm scum

Mzero the more you say this, the more I feel like you were purposefully hiding behind your usual activity levels.

Saying you can't be scum because you're not playing like scum mzero just shows that you have awareness of how you play differently and would be able to fake it.

Also your constant defense of scare.

You can't say we have no reasoning.

htaeD posted...

Mzero the more you say this, the more I feel like you were purposefully hiding behind your usual activity levels.

^5

htaeD posted...

I dont know if scum would be that desperate to save Scare either when the have a roleblocker (confirmed only for changmas, but scum always has one anyway)

I still think Ben claimed to save himself first and foremost and probably genuinely believed Isquen was the arsonist (whether Ben is scum or not)

2 for 1 basically all of that happened at very quickly

TotallyNotMI posted...

Saying you can't be scum because you're not playing like scum mzero just shows that you have awareness of how you play differently and would be able to fake it.

Also your constant defense of scare.

You can't say we have no reasoning.

The scare arguments the best one I've seen actually.

But thar same argument apply to Plum who has had Scare on a scum list but never actually mentioned anything why he wanted Scare or even interacted with Scare.

Still why Plums on my list.

Sultan, other than being active, something that can easily be faked, what other reason do you have for thinking mzero is town

TotallyNotMI posted...

Saying you can't be scum because you're not playing like scum mzero just shows that you have awareness of how you play differently and would be able to fake it.

Also your constant defense of scare.

You can't say we have no reasoning.

if someone gives me a reason I'll stop saying it

No one is going to lynch you guys for being wrong on me when I flip town. That's not a reason

Ben literally said to lynch him over Scare lmao

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

The scare arguments the best one I've seen actually.

But thar same argument apply to Plum who has had Scare on a scum list but never actually mentioned anything why he wanted Scare or even interacted with Scare.

Still why Plums on my list.

Yes plum could easily be scum.

And Plum is voting for Ben over Mzero.

I really hope you and Lea and scum and concocted some elaborate ruse with Corrik because otherwise the lack of thinking is kinda disappointing

Your whole argument boils down to "you had bad reads"

Like give me one other thing that's all I ask. Fake reads, fluff, knowledge I shouldn't have, bandwagon voting

Literally anything

Sultan just hammer me I'm over it lol

I will say that Ben was also defensive of Scare. he and Mzero were about the same on day2 in that regard.

htaeD posted...

I will say that Ben was also defensive of Scare. he and Mzero were about the same on day2 in that regard.

But according to mzero that doesn't matter so I guess we can't hold that against either of them...

Maybe instead we should look at people who did lynch Scare that makes more sense!

Pro Mzero- wanting corrik dead day 1. Mzeros day 1 reads are usually pretty good Corrik is scum( I guess could have been a bus.)

Mzero has been actively looking into things maybe some bad reads but I've also thought well maybe one of the claims is fake, I could argue it's convenient that our scanner was roleblocked, didn't have an action? and roleblocked again???

Pro Ben- didn't suck as much yesterday as much as days prior.

Don't really want to backtrack but the only people that knows MZero is 100% confirmed as untargetable are Sbell and Mzero

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Don't really want to backtrack but the only people that knows MZero is 100% confirmed as untargetable are Sbell and Mzero

So either they're both lying or neither are