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wolfy42 12/18/22 7:32:42 PM #1:	Seriously, that was so bad, it was bad enough to make all the other DC movies worse just by osmosis. Spoilers. So ok, they decide Adam is a threat because he is killing bad guys. Superheros don't kill bad guys. Lol......that was seriously the reason they attack him. Look at it from adams point of view. His son becomes a savior/hero, then his wife gets killed in front of him and he can't protect her, then his son saves him and dies right after from an arrow. He goes and gets revenge for that, and to free his people, and the wizards stick him in suspension for 5000 years. In his perspective this has all happened in 1 day lol. So he wakes up, saves a mom and a boy (like he couldn't save his own family), and before he can even take a nap, eat something, talk about his loss with his new friends, cry a bit etc, the justice league shows up and a hawk dude with a stick up his but tells him to submit or die lol. Meanwhile Dr. Fate over there is like, oh wait, this dude isn't actually bad, and he is going to be needed later, maybe we should you know, talk to him. But nope, they keep attacking him, and finally he again loses control of his powers (doesn't hurt innocents on purpose, just needs some training (which he later gets in a whole 2 seconds after hawkdude is like, "you CAN control it!!".......so he agrees to lose his powers and get locked up cause he thinks he is a danger, and he hurt the boy who reminds him of his son. Seriously dick move by the justice league members, not just hawkdude, but all of em, they didn't stand up for him or anything. Then....hell STILL in the same day......big bad dude rises up and Dr. Fate is like "You Adam, we totally need you man, sorry for drowning you and all that" and he pops up, gets beaten up by tons of dudes on his way out, shot multiple times etc, all as a normal human (amazing how he didn't bleed at all though), and comes to save the day. So now hawk dude is like "whatever, maybe your not all bad but don't step out of line or i'll come claw your ass". Black Adam (changed his name now) is like, whatever homie, and they take off, but that evil bitch who sent them in the first place shows up in a video and is like, Adam, we'll let you have kyro or wherever you are, but if you leave, imma send some alien superpowers at you. Adam is like bring it, and then Superman shows up. I think she is actually TRYING to kill superman here, because she already knows 2 things. Superman is impervious to almost all harm, but is weak against magic attacks. Since Dr. Fate knew the demon was magic (he states it takes magic to fight magic) they also knew Adam was magic based, so if nothing else Superman would NOT be the best alien option for taking on Adam and he would be one of the best options for taking out Superman. So yeah, I think she sent supes to go die to black adam, then after he kills the beloved superman rally all the other heros to take him down. Total dick move, she is one bad apple. Also Adam still never got something to eat (or for that matter drink) in the whole freaking movie. I'd be in a pretty bad mood at that point as well. I mean, I guess he probably gulped down some of the sea when he was escaping. Oh they must have given him something to knock him out once he was human.....I hope it was a drink or food and not a shot. Seriously that movie was so bad. I have heard they may be scrapping all the rest of the DC movies they had planned and going in a new direction because of it. There was a ton of potential in this movie, especially with the rock playing the roll because he has shown to be good at humorous roles in the past and injecting a bit of fun in serious/action flicks. Non of that was included in this film, which had a dark tone, and shined a pretty crappy light on the justice league and heroes in general. --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Friends don't make their friends die Hanz. Psychopathic friends do. <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:970258849] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>Seriously, that was so bad, it was bad enough to make all the other DC movies worse just by osmosis.Spoilers.So ok, they decide Adam is a threat because he is killing bad guys. Superheros don't kill bad guys. Lol......that was seriously the reason they attack him.Look at it from adams point of view. His son becomes a savior/hero, then his wife gets killed in front of him and he can't protect her, then his son saves him and dies right after from an arrow. He goes and gets revenge for that, and to free his people, and the wizards stick him in suspension for 5000 years. In his perspective this has all happened in 1 day lol.So he wakes up, saves a mom and a boy (like he couldn't save his own family), and before he can even take a nap, eat something, talk about his loss with his new friends, cry a bit etc, the justice league shows up and a hawk dude with a stick up his but tells him to submit or die lol.Meanwhile Dr. Fate over there is like, oh wait, this dude isn't actually bad, and he is going to be needed later, maybe we should you know, talk to him. But nope, they keep attacking him, and finally he again loses control of his powers (doesn't hurt innocents on purpose, just needs some training (which he later gets in a whole 2 seconds after hawkdude is like, "you CAN control it!!".......so he agrees to lose his powers and get locked up cause he thinks he is a danger, and he hurt the boy who reminds him of his son.Seriously dick move by the justice league members, not just hawkdude, but all of em, they didn't stand up for him or anything.Then....hell STILL in the same day......big bad dude rises up and Dr. Fate is like "You Adam, we totally need you man, sorry for drowning you and all that" and he pops up, gets beaten up by tons of dudes on his way out, shot multiple times etc, all as a normal human (amazing how he didn't bleed at all though), and comes to save the day.So now hawk dude is like "whatever, maybe your not all bad but don't step out of line or i'll come claw your ass". Black Adam (changed his name now) is like, whatever homie, and they take off, but that evil bitch who sent them in the first place shows up in a video and is like, Adam, we'll let you have kyro or wherever you are, but if you leave, imma send some alien superpowers at you. Adam is like bring it, and then Superman shows up.I think she is actually TRYING to kill superman here, because she already knows 2 things.Superman is impervious to almost all harm, but is weak against magic attacks.Since Dr. Fate knew the demon was magic (he states it takes magic to fight magic) they also knew Adam was magic based, so if nothing else Superman would NOT be the best alien option for taking on Adam and he would be one of the best options for taking out Superman.So yeah, I think she sent supes to go die to black adam, then after he kills the beloved superman rally all the other heros to take him down. Total dick move, she is one bad apple.Also Adam still never got something to eat (or for that matter drink) in the whole freaking movie. I'd be in a pretty bad mood at that point as well. I mean, I guess he probably gulped down some of the sea when he was escaping. Oh they must have given him something to knock him out once he was human.....I hope it was a drink or food and not a shot.Seriously that movie was so bad. I have heard they may be scrapping all the rest of the DC movies they had planned and going in a new direction because of it.There was a ton of potential in this movie, especially with the rock playing the roll because he has shown to be good at humorous roles in the past and injecting a bit of fun in serious/action flicks. Non of that was included in this film, which had a dark tone, and shined a pretty crappy light on the justice league and heroes in general.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SoreChasm 12/18/22 7:44:04 PM #2:	You should use the spoiler tags, my dude. ~~Like this.~~ --- Never be afraid to show your emotions, even if they're fake. <cite>SoreChasm posted [p:970259148] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>You should use the spoiler tags, my dude.Like this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pikazard1 12/18/22 7:50:40 PM #3:	passed by what you typed, as I havent seen it yet. but will start watching it tonight --- we are who we are. who we meet in life, adds to the journey <cite>Pikazard1 posted [p:970259289] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>passed by what you typed, as I havent seen it yet. but will start watching it tonight</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ECW_Originals12 12/18/22 8:28:14 PM #4:	Oh, so you don't like fun? <cite>ECW_Originals12 posted [p:970260042] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>Oh, so you don't like fun?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth 12/19/22 3:08:12 AM #5:	Isn't Black Adam just evil Shazam --- What would Bligh do? <cite>Zareth posted [p:970265997] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>Isn't Black Adam just evil Shazam</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 12/19/22 7:27:58 AM #6:	wolfy42 posted... Seriously, that was so bad, it was bad enough to make all the other DC movies worse just by osmosis. That's pretty much unpossible. If you piss into an ocean that's already entirely made up of diarrhea, you can't really make it worse than it already is. wolfy42 posted... So ok, they decide Adam is a threat because he is killing bad guys. Superheros don't kill bad guys. Lol......that was seriously the reason they attack him. You say this as if comic books haven't pushed the "SUPERHEROES SHALL NOT KILL" motif for years. It's usually less established in movies (where heroes tend to off their foes way too often), but as early as the 50s it became something of an iron-clad rule that heroes should never kill. This relaxed a bit in the 90s (when comics went through a grimderp edgelord phase and everything was guns and pouches and spelling names like Bldstryke or Xtremez), but it's been a HUGE motivation for a lot of comics. It's why heroes have literally tried to hunt down and arrest the Punisher or Deadpool (and even Batman at times). It even makes perfect sense from a logical perspective - almost all superheroes are literally vigilantes... which is illegal in the real world (even bounty hunters require strict documentation and have to follow explicit rules). A legal system would be more inclined to tolerate heroes who are extremely careful to take villains in alive (and relatively unharmed), but would strongly frown on vigilantes who take justice into their own hands (or simply accidentally allow villains to get killed via negligence or lack of caution). In a world where heroes were casual about killing, you'd wind up with government task forces hunting down heroes very, very quickly (which is part of the deconstruction that was Watchmen). Again, it's a large part of the justification for why Batman has to walk a weird line between being scary as hell to criminals, yet simultaneously not being able to kill or even seriously injure them (and why he constantly goes waaaay out of his way to keep Joker and other nasty villains alive when their own schemes nearly kill them). It's also why the Punisher was literally introduced as a bad guy (for Spider-Man), and why most of his early appearances were basically just Spider-Man and Daredevil trying to stop him from killing people. Generally speaking, in a more realistic setting someone like Superman would utterly terrify everyone if he just went around killing bad guys. A large part of what makes the public (apart from Lex) trust him is just how scrupulous he is about being "the big blue Boy Scout". wolfy42 posted... Look at it from adams point of view. Why? Very few characters in the modern world would even know Adam's point of view. Based on lore, they believe he's basically a crazy killer. The first thing he does after waking up is murder the shit out of a ton of guys. From the point of view of any outsider, he's as big a threat as literally any other villain. The only reason you're sympathetic to him at all is because he's the Protagonist and you've seen scenes involving him that no one else has (and because he's played by The Rock). It makes perfect sense to try and take him down and imprison him. Besides which, the idea of heroes fighting each other based solely on stupid misunderstandings is about as fundamental to comics as the "no kill" rule is. It pretty much happened every other week in the 60s. Generally, the first time any hero or group of heroes met another hero or group of heroes, they'd spend about half an issue fighting and assuming the other side were villains before realizing they were on the same side. wolfy42 posted... Superman is impervious to almost all harm, but is weak against magic attacks Arguably, this has never been explicitly established in the movies. And even in the comics, it's always sort of a question over just how true this is anyway. Some writers treat it like he's actually weak against magic (almost like an allergy or working something like kryptonite), which some justify in some way (like Krypton being a civilization so rooted in SCIENCE that magic literally weakens them), but other writers and other stories just treat it as if Superman isn't strong against magic (which means it just affects him the same way it does anyone else). Black Adam's magic is mostly just being really really strong and having lightning-based powers. Some comics/stories would absolutely treat this as being something that would mess Superman up, but others would treat it as just an excuse for the two of them to punch each other really hard (and Superman could absolutely win that fight), and treat the lightning itself as being perfectly natural (it's just pure electricity, even if it's created by magic), which Superman would be able to resist like any other lightning bolt (which he can). Superman has fought Black Adam in the comics before, and it's not like Superman gets curbed-stomped or anything (if anything, Superman has had more trouble fighting against Shazam/Captain Marvel himself). All of which means no one in the setting would really have any reason at all to assume that Black Adam is a Pokemon that's designed to be super-effective against Superman. From the perspective of the characters who lack all of your meta-knowledge, it would mostly just be two super strong dudes beating the shit out of each other. wolfy42 posted... Seriously that movie was so bad. I have heard they may be scrapping all the rest of the DC movies they had planned and going in a new direction because of it. That's not even remotely why they're talking about scrapping the rest of the DCU. It was a self-destructing clusterfuck looong before Black Adam came out. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:970267695] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote><cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite><quote>Seriously, that was so bad, it was bad enough to make all the other DC movies worse just by osmosis.</quote>That's pretty much unpossible.If you piss into an ocean that's already entirely made up of diarrhea, you can't really make it worse than it already is.<cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite><quote>So ok, they decide Adam is a threat because he is killing bad guys. Superheros don't kill bad guys. Lol......that was seriously the reason they attack him.</quote>You say this as if comic books haven't pushed the "SUPERHEROES SHALL NOT KILL" motif for years.It's usually less established in movies (where heroes tend to off their foes way too often), but as early as the 50s it became something of an iron-clad rule that heroes should never kill. This relaxed a bit in the 90s (when comics went through a grimderp edgelord phase and everything was guns and pouches and spelling names like Bldstryke or Xtremez), but it's been a HUGE motivation for a lot of comics. It's why heroes have literally tried to hunt down and arrest the Punisher or Deadpool (and even Batman at times).It even makes perfect sense from a logical perspective - almost all superheroes are literally vigilantes... which is illegal in the real world (even bounty hunters require strict documentation and have to follow explicit rules). A legal system would be more inclined to tolerate heroes who are extremely careful to take villains in alive (and relatively unharmed), but would strongly frown on vigilantes who take justice into their own hands (or simply accidentally allow villains to get killed via negligence or lack of caution). In a world where heroes were casual about killing, you'd wind up with government task forces hunting down heroes very, very quickly (which is part of the deconstruction that was Watchmen).Again, it's a large part of the justification for why Batman has to walk a weird line between being scary as hell to criminals, yet simultaneously not being able to kill or even seriously injure them (and why he constantly goes waaaay out of his way to keep Joker and other nasty villains alive when their own schemes nearly kill them). It's also why the Punisher was literally introduced as a bad guy (for Spider-Man), and why most of his early appearances were basically just Spider-Man and Daredevil trying to stop him from killing people.Generally speaking, in a more realistic setting someone like Superman would utterly terrify everyone if he just went around killing bad guys. A large part of what makes the public (apart from Lex) trust him is just how scrupulous he is about being "the big blue Boy Scout".<cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite><quote>Look at it from adams point of view.</quote>Why?Very few characters in the modern world would even know Adam's point of view. Based on lore, they believe he's basically a crazy killer. The first thing he does after waking up is murder the shit out of a ton of guys. From the point of view of any outsider, he's as big a threat as literally any other villain. The only reason you're sympathetic to him at all is because he's the Protagonist and you've seen scenes involving him that no one else has (and because he's played by The Rock). It makes perfect sense to try and take him down and imprison him.Besides which, the idea of heroes fighting each other based solely on stupid misunderstandings is about as fundamental to comics as the "no kill" rule is. It pretty much happened every other week in the 60s. Generally, the first time any hero or group of heroes met another hero or group of heroes, they'd spend about half an issue fighting and assuming the other side were villains before realizing they were on the same side.<cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite><quote>Superman is impervious to almost all harm, but is weak against magic attacks</quote>Arguably, this has never been explicitly established in the movies.And even in the comics, it's always sort of a question over just how true this is anyway. Some writers treat it like he's actually weak against magic (almost like an allergy or working something like kryptonite), which some justify in some way (like Krypton being a civilization so rooted in SCIENCE that magic literally weakens them), but other writers and other stories just treat it as if Superman isn't strong against magic (which means it just affects him the same way it does anyone else).Black Adam's magic is mostly just being really really strong and having lightning-based powers. Some comics/stories would absolutely treat this as being something that would mess Superman up, but others would treat it as just an excuse for the two of them to punch each other really hard (and Superman could absolutely win that fight), and treat the lightning itself as being perfectly natural (it's just pure electricity, even if it's created by magic), which Superman would be able to resist like any other lightning bolt (which he can). Superman has fought Black Adam in the comics before, and it's not like Superman gets curbed-stomped or anything (if anything, Superman has had more trouble fighting against Shazam/Captain Marvel himself).All of which means no one in the setting would really have any reason at all to assume that Black Adam is a Pokemon that's designed to be super-effective against Superman. From the perspective of the characters who lack all of your meta-knowledge, it would mostly just be two super strong dudes beating the shit out of each other.<cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite><quote>Seriously that movie was so bad. I have heard they may be scrapping all the rest of the DC movies they had planned and going in a new direction because of it.</quote>That's not even remotely why they're talking about scrapping the rest of the DCU. It was a self-destructing clusterfuck looong before Black Adam came out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JOExHIGASHI 12/19/22 8:35:45 AM #7:	Zareth posted... Isn't Black Adam just evil Shazam More like "ends justify the means" version of Shazam. I still liked the movie. --- In the long run we are all dead <cite>JOExHIGASHI posted [p:970268443] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>Zareth posted... </cite><quote>Isn't Black Adam just evil Shazam</quote>More like "ends justify the means" version of Shazam.I still liked the movie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 12/19/22 1:05:33 PM #8:	ParanoidObsessive posted... That's not even remotely why they're talking about scrapping the rest of the DCU. It was a self-destructing clusterfuck looong before Black Adam came out. Last few were really bad. Can't believe they did Wonder Woman like that in 1984. The first wonder woman is probably my favorite DC movie to date. I get what your saying about comics etc, but meh, still just seemed kinda messed up and hawkdude was a total jerk for no real reason. Fate was like, we are making a mistake but meh, go ahead anyway, and I agree that the whole "don't kill anything" is done all the time, just didn't seem as blatant (or stupid) in other movies, at least to me. Also the whole main char having his family killed getting put in suspended animation, waking up attacked by justice league, giving up powers, getting them back etc all in 1 day from his perspective (which is what I meant, that it had all happened in 1 day lol), is just funny AF.......he should be like "You supes, you got a gf or wife? What if she was preggers and got killed by I don't know, one of your villians, how would you react bud?" --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Friends don't make their friends die Hanz. Psychopathic friends do. <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:970273039] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite><quote>That's not even remotely why they're talking about scrapping the rest of the DCU. It was a self-destructing clusterfuck looong before Black Adam came out.</quote>Last few were really bad. Can't believe they did Wonder Woman like that in 1984. The first wonder woman is probably my favorite DC movie to date.I get what your saying about comics etc, but meh, still just seemed kinda messed up and hawkdude was a total jerk for no real reason. Fate was like, we are making a mistake but meh, go ahead anyway, and I agree that the whole "don't kill anything" is done all the time, just didn't seem as blatant (or stupid) in other movies, at least to me.Also the whole main char having his family killed getting put in suspended animation, waking up attacked by justice league, giving up powers, getting them back etc all in 1 day from his perspective (which is what I meant, that it had all happened in 1 day lol), is just funny AF.......he should be like "You supes, you got a gf or wife? What if she was preggers and got killed by I don't know, one of your villians, how would you react bud?"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 12/19/22 1:28:33 PM #9:	wolfy42 posted... just seemed kinda messed up and hawkdude was a total jerk for no real reason Hawkdude is always a total jerk. It's one of the things that has sort of become common to every version of him. It's just kind of accepted that Hawkman is always going to be an asshole. It's like Hawk from Hawk and Dove. Hawk's primary personality trait is basically "belligerent asshole", no matter which version of Hawk it is. And Guy Gardener, to some extent... though in his case he tends to vary somewhere between "asshole" and "loveable jerk". wolfy42 posted... he should be like "You supes, you got a gf or wife? What if she was preggers and got killed by I don't know, one of your villians, how would you react bud?" Yeah, but that would require him to be a bit more introspective and self-aware. Or to care what other people think. It's pretty traditional with comic misunderstandings that they could be solved in about 30 seconds if anyone involved actually tried to talk rather than immediately resorting to punching. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:970273542] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote><cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite><quote>just seemed kinda messed up and hawkdude was a total jerk for no real reason</quote>Hawkdude is always a total jerk. It's one of the things that has sort of become common to every version of him. It's just kind of accepted that Hawkman is always going to be an asshole.It's like Hawk from Hawk and Dove. Hawk's primary personality trait is basically "belligerent asshole", no matter which version of Hawk it is. And Guy Gardener, to some extent... though in his case he tends to vary somewhere between "asshole" and "loveable jerk".<cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite><quote>he should be like "You supes, you got a gf or wife? What if she was preggers and got killed by I don't know, one of your villians, how would you react bud?"</quote>Yeah, but that would require him to be a bit more introspective and self-aware. Or to care what other people think.It's pretty traditional with comic misunderstandings that they could be solved in about 30 seconds if anyone involved actually tried to talk rather than immediately resorting to punching.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 12/19/22 2:16:30 PM #10:	JOExHIGASHI posted... I still liked the movie. Same. It's one of the better recent DC superhero movies. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:970274499] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>JOExHIGASHI posted... </cite><quote>I still liked the movie.</quote>Same. It's one of the better recent DC superhero movies. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fettster777 12/19/22 4:00:30 PM #11:	It was the Justice Society, not Justice League. And yes, the movie sucked. A shame too since I love the Black Adam character. Read JSA and 52 (pre-Flashpoint stuff). Really good reads. Unfortunately, the character just doesn't translate well to screen. The Rock actually did a better job than expected but still not good. <cite>fettster777 posted [p:970276600] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>It was the Justice Society, not Justice League.And yes, the movie sucked. A shame too since I love the Black Adam character. Read JSA and 52 (pre-Flashpoint stuff). Really good reads. Unfortunately, the character just doesn't translate well to screen. The Rock actually did a better job than expected but still not good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpaceBear_ 12/19/22 5:18:31 PM #12:	I didn't think about it too much and I think it sucked. --- - God bless, downtime and TheSlinja. YNWA GameFAQs' Favourite Sons. - Official Barman Of Champion Pub <cite>SpaceBear_ posted [p:970278067] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>I didn't think about it too much and I think it sucked.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranTurismo 12/19/22 5:27:37 PM #13:	eh ? <cite>GranTurismo posted [p:970278204] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>eh ?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 12/19/22 7:15:27 PM #14:	https://youtu.be/HfrmzSX4J-M --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:970280115] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>https://youtu.be/HfrmzSX4J-M</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 12/19/22 8:04:23 PM #15:	ParanoidObsessive posted... It's like Hawk from Hawk and Dove. Hawk's primary personality trait is basically "belligerent asshole", no matter which version of Hawk it is. And Guy Gardener, to some extent... though in his case he tends to vary somewhere between "asshole" and "loveable jerk". If you have not seen Reacher on Amazon prime yet, the dude who played hawk from hawk and dove in teen titans (and aquaman before that) plays Reacher and I thought it was pretty good. Better than the movie for sure. Not a super hero show, but still enjoyable:) --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Friends don't make their friends die Hanz. Psychopathic friends do. <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:970281170] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite><quote>It's like Hawk from Hawk and Dove. Hawk's primary personality trait is basically "belligerent asshole", no matter which version of Hawk it is. And Guy Gardener, to some extent... though in his case he tends to vary somewhere between "asshole" and "loveable jerk".</quote>If you have not seen Reacher on Amazon prime yet, the dude who played hawk from hawk and dove in teen titans (and aquaman before that) plays Reacher and I thought it was pretty good. Better than the movie for sure. Not a super hero show, but still enjoyable:)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoneix 12/20/22 11:20:22 AM #16:	Zareth posted... Isn't Black Adam just evil Shazam In what little I've seen him in comics he never came off evil. Just lives by really old world standards where you wanna solve a problem you using might. I loved one comic where workers are protesting so he goes and kills the boss. Everyone runs screaming and Adam is like "what? I freed you" and he was legit confused why everyone was horrified by his actions. That was a weird one though cause in that run somehow black Adam's soul was put In a modern dudes body who happened to be the guy who killed Batsons parents. In the end of the run Adam agrees to leave the planet but not only wants a truce with Shazam wants to call him friend. Shazam says no at first and they fight. Shazam finally says most he can do is say he's no longer his enemy but he won't call him friend. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>Sufferedphoneix posted [p:970292751] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>Zareth posted... </cite><quote>Isn't Black Adam just evil Shazam</quote>In what little I've seen him in comics he never came off evil. Just lives by really old world standards where you wanna solve a problem you using might. I loved one comic where workers are protesting so he goes and kills the boss. Everyone runs screaming and Adam is like "what? I freed you" and he was legit confused why everyone was horrified by his actions.That was a weird one though cause in that run somehow black Adam's soul was put In a modern dudes body who happened to be the guy who killed Batsons parents. In the end of the run Adam agrees to leave the planet but not only wants a truce with Shazam wants to call him friend. Shazam says no at first and they fight. Shazam finally says most he can do is say he's no longer his enemy but he won't call him friend. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 12/20/22 12:40:44 PM #17:	I saw some black adam vs superman/shazaam show awhile ago, showed the introduction of Shazaam. Black adam was straight up a bad guy in that, and Superman was weak (and got his but kicked) to Black adams spells. At the end (spoilers if you have not watched it), Black adam chooses to say shazaam and ages 5000 years all at once so he isn't sent 10,000 years away in space (or so he thinks he would be). Basically where I got the assumption that in the movie superman would be killed by black adam if he fought him. Have not read many comics with Black adam in it besides that, and in that one he pretty much fights both shazaam and superman to a standstill, and would have killed either of them one on one. --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Friends don't make their friends die Hanz. Psychopathic friends do. <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:970294322] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>I saw some black adam vs superman/shazaam show awhile ago, showed the introduction of Shazaam. Black adam was straight up a bad guy in that, and Superman was weak (and got his but kicked) to Black adams spells. At the end (spoilers if you have not watched it), Black adam chooses to say shazaam and ages 5000 years all at once so he isn't sent 10,000 years away in space (or so he thinks he would be).Basically where I got the assumption that in the movie superman would be killed by black adam if he fought him. Have not read many comics with Black adam in it besides that, and in that one he pretty much fights both shazaam and superman to a standstill, and would have killed either of them one on one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yellow 12/20/22 12:59:21 PM #18:	DC movies are so much worse than the cartoons it's amazing. It's like they don't know how to make a movie unless it's dark and edgy or super mainstream family-friendly anymore. Just a total lack of any writing talent/competent management. What are they doing? Why did they make re-make Suicide Squad like 3 times in 4 years? What are they smoking? <cite>Yellow posted [p:970294684] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>DC movies are so much worse than the cartoons it's amazing. It's like they don't know how to make a movie unless it's dark and edgy or super mainstream family-friendly anymore. Just a total lack of any writing talent/competent management.What are they doing? Why did they make re-make Suicide Squad like 3 times in 4 years? What are they smoking?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SoreChasm 12/20/22 5:36:52 PM #19:	wolfy42 posted... (spoilers if you have not watched it) SoreChasm posted... You should use the spoiler tags, my dude. ~~Like this.~~ --- Never be afraid to show your emotions, even if they're fake. <cite>SoreChasm posted [p:970300309] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>wolfy42 posted... </cite><quote>(spoilers if you have not watched it)</quote>SoreChasm posted... </cite><quote>You should use the spoiler tags, my dude.Like this.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 12/21/22 4:51:57 AM #20:	Sufferedphoneix posted... In what little I've seen him in comics he never came off evil. Just lives by really old world standards where you wanna solve a problem you using might. Black Adam was basically a one-dimensional villain for almost the entire span of his existence. It wasn't until the early 2000s that Geoff Johns retconned his entire origin and personality (Geoff Johns was doing that to a lot of characters in the 2000s, usually for the better) and made him that sort of "honorable villain" sort of character who has more justification for being the way he is. The idea that he could actually be something of an antihero didn't really come until the mid 2000s, when they introduced Isis as a character/love interest that helped redeem Black Adam and lead him more towards being a benevolent dictator of his home nation. But that's more or less become the default interpretation of the character now. wolfy42 posted... and in that one he pretty much fights both shazaam and superman to a standstill, and would have killed either of them one on one. With comics, it's always a matter of interpretation. In one comic, under one writer, Character A may completely curbstomp Character B, but then you read another comic under another writer and Character B will beat Character A easily. What makes it worse is that comic book universes tend to constantly reboot now (DC seems to do it every 10 years), and the cartoon universes are generally separate continuities of their own. So comparing the "power levels" of any given character and figuring out who can beat who is usually just a case of cherry picking whatever examples you want to prove what you already believed to begin with. As an example, Golden Age Superman in the 40s wasn't all that powerful at all, while Silver Age Superman in the 50s and 60s was a borderline god. They scaled his powers back post-Crisis, and post-Zero Hour he was even weaker. So if you had them all fight, say, Thanos from the MCU, some of them would have a really hard time beating him, but others would pretty much knock him out in about 7 seconds. And like I said earlier, with these two characters, it really becomes important whether you think Superman has a weakness to magic (in the sense that he's literally weakened or harmed by it in the same way kryptonite affects him), or if you think he's just normally vulnerable to magic the way an ordinary human is (meaning it doesn't hurt him any worse than it hurts anyone else, but he can't resist it the way it resists almost everything else). Plus, then you get into even thornier questions (Ddoes a "magic punch" count as magic or just physics? Superman would theoretically be weak against the former but not against the latter). Some stories just treat Superman's "weakness" to magic meaning that he's no stronger against mind control or illusions or polymorphing and stuff like that than anyone else is, but he's still relatively immune to magically-created fire, cold, etc, because that's still jsut physics regardless of the source. And then there's the question of how effective the trick that was mostly popularized in Kingdom Come would actually be - namely, having Billy transform and using the magical lightning as a weapon to hit Superman with it. https://i0.wp.com/thefanboyseo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/RCO020.jpg It's a cool idea and a cooler visual, and in Kingdom Come it didn't really matter whether or not it should "work" (because Kingdom Come was a non-canon Elseworlds story), but in a more canonical setting you'd have to decide whether or not Shazam's lightning would could as pure magic or just electricity for the purposes of affecting Superman, and how he would be affected by it. In some stories it might do little more than just stun him, in others it might kill him outright. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:970310303] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sufferedphoneix posted...</cite><quote>In what little I've seen him in comics he never came off evil. Just lives by really old world standards where you wanna solve a problem you using might. </quote>Black Adam was basically a one-dimensional villain for almost the entire span of his existence. It wasn't until the early 2000s that Geoff Johns retconned his entire origin and personality (Geoff Johns was doing that to a lot of characters in the 2000s, usually for the better) and made him that sort of "honorable villain" sort of character who has more justification for being the way he is.The idea that he could actually be something of an antihero didn't really come until the mid 2000s, when they introduced Isis as a character/love interest that helped redeem Black Adam and lead him more towards being a benevolent dictator of his home nation. But that's more or less become the default interpretation of the character now.<cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite><quote>and in that one he pretty much fights both shazaam and superman to a standstill, and would have killed either of them one on one.</quote>With comics, it's always a matter of interpretation. In one comic, under one writer, Character A may completely curbstomp Character B, but then you read another comic under another writer and Character B will beat Character A easily.What makes it worse is that comic book universes tend to constantly reboot now (DC seems to do it every 10 years), and the cartoon universes are generally separate continuities of their own. So comparing the "power levels" of any given character and figuring out who can beat who is usually just a case of cherry picking whatever examples you want to prove what you already believed to begin with.As an example, Golden Age Superman in the 40s wasn't all that powerful at all, while Silver Age Superman in the 50s and 60s was a borderline god. They scaled his powers back post-Crisis, and post-Zero Hour he was even weaker. So if you had them all fight, say, Thanos from the MCU, some of them would have a really hard time beating him, but others would pretty much knock him out in about 7 seconds.And like I said earlier, with these two characters, it really becomes important whether you think Superman has a weakness to magic (in the sense that he's literally weakened or harmed by it in the same way kryptonite affects him), or if you think he's just normally vulnerable to magic the way an ordinary human is (meaning it doesn't hurt him any worse than it hurts anyone else, but he can't resist it the way it resists almost everything else). Plus, then you get into even thornier questions (Ddoes a "magic punch" count as magic or just physics? Superman would theoretically be weak against the former but not against the latter). Some stories just treat Superman's "weakness" to magic meaning that he's no stronger against mind control or illusions or polymorphing and stuff like that than anyone else is, but he's still relatively immune to magically-created fire, cold, etc, because that's still jsut physics regardless of the source.And then there's the question of how effective the trick that was mostly popularized in Kingdom Come would actually be - namely, having Billy transform and using the magical lightning as a weapon to hit Superman with it.https://i0.wp.com/thefanboyseo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/RCO020.jpgIt's a cool idea and a cooler visual, and in Kingdom Come it didn't really matter whether or not it should "work" (because Kingdom Come was a non-canon Elseworlds story), but in a more canonical setting you'd have to decide whether or not Shazam's lightning would could as pure magic or just electricity for the purposes of affecting Superman, and how he would be affected by it. In some stories it might do little more than just stun him, in others it might kill him outright.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoneix 12/21/22 6:41:10 AM #21:	ParanoidObsessive posted... Black Adam was basically a one-dimensional villain for almost the entire span of his existence. It wasn't until the early 2000s that Geoff Johns retconned his entire origin and personality (Geoff Johns was doing that to a lot of characters in the 2000s, usually for the better) and made him that sort of "honorable villain" sort of character who has more justification for being the way he is. The idea that he could actually be something of an antihero didn't really come until the mid 2000s, when they introduced Isis as a character/love interest that helped redeem Black Adam and lead him more towards being a benevolent dictator of his home nation. But that's more or less become the default interpretation of the character now The comic run I mention was from the 90s but the art was done like old ass comics. Think the run was called the powers of Shazam. Adam was a villain kinda but only towards Shazam iirc. Not liking Shazam had the powers iirc. And Shazam didn't like him cause his mortal body was his parents killer. It was definitely different even like his mortal body had his voice removed so he couldn't say Shazam but he found a magic artifact or something that allowed him to transform. That run was my main exposure to black Adam as Shazam comics for me anyways haven't been easy to find. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>Sufferedphoneix posted [p:970311043] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite><quote>Black Adam was basically a one-dimensional villain for almost the entire span of his existence. It wasn't until the early 2000s that Geoff Johns retconned his entire origin and personality (Geoff Johns was doing that to a lot of characters in the 2000s, usually for the better) and made him that sort of "honorable villain" sort of character who has more justification for being the way he is.The idea that he could actually be something of an antihero didn't really come until the mid 2000s, when they introduced Isis as a character/love interest that helped redeem Black Adam and lead him more towards being a benevolent dictator of his home nation. But that's more or less become the default interpretation of the character now</quote>The comic run I mention was from the 90s but the art was done like old ass comics. Think the run was called the powers of Shazam. Adam was a villain kinda but only towards Shazam iirc. Not liking Shazam had the powers iirc. And Shazam didn't like him cause his mortal body was his parents killer. It was definitely different even like his mortal body had his voice removed so he couldn't say Shazam but he found a magic artifact or something that allowed him to transform. That run was my main exposure to black Adam as Shazam comics for me anyways haven't been easy to find. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OHJOY90 12/21/22 12:44:55 PM #22:	ParanoidObsessive posted... And then there's the question of how effective the trick that was mostly popularized in Kingdom Come would actually be - namely, having Billy transform and using the magical lightning as a weapon to hit Superman with it. https://i0.wp.com/thefanboyseo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/RCO020.jpg It's a cool idea and a cooler visual, and in Kingdom Come it didn't really matter whether or not it should "work" (because Kingdom Come was a non-canon Elseworlds story), but in a more canonical setting you'd have to decide whether or not Shazam's lightning would could as pure magic or just electricity for the purposes of affecting Superman, and how he would be affected by it. In some stories it might do little more than just stun him, in others it might kill him outright. Oh yeah, I believe they had that in an episode of the Justice League Animated Series as well. --- 3DS Friend Code: 3480-2661-5116 https://www.twitch.tv/ohjoy90 <cite>OHJOY90 posted [p:970316709] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite><quote>And then there's the question of how effective the trick that was mostly popularized in Kingdom Come would actually be - namely, having Billy transform and using the magical lightning as a weapon to hit Superman with it.https://i0.wp.com/thefanboyseo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/RCO020.jpgIt's a cool idea and a cooler visual, and in Kingdom Come it didn't really matter whether or not it should "work" (because Kingdom Come was a non-canon Elseworlds story), but in a more canonical setting you'd have to decide whether or not Shazam's lightning would could as pure magic or just electricity for the purposes of affecting Superman, and how he would be affected by it. In some stories it might do little more than just stun him, in others it might kill him outright.</quote>Oh yeah, I believe they had that in an episode of the Justice League Animated Series as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 12/21/22 4:49:50 PM #23:	Yeah, in most of the comics, animated movies and tv shows, Superman was just as weak to magic as everyone else, but not weaker. That being said, it didn't really matter cause being as weak as everyone else to magic attacks pretty much means you lose vs most people with magic lol. In the animated movie I saw, black adam even stated that superman was weak to his magic/lightning attacks, so in that interpretation even elemental damage created by magic (lightning in this case) could seriously hurt Superman (or weaken him so black adams punches etc could knock him out). In that animated movie there was no equal fight, black adam would have killed superman multiple times if Shazam didn't save him. I know it all depends on the writers etc, but to me (and I think most) I have not gotten too much exposure to shazam/black adam, so a animated movie, the direct movie that came out a few years ago, and the new black adam is pretty much it for me. ~~Supes even makes a cameo at the end of the Shazaam movie hehe~~ There I used a spoiler thingy!! Anyway, I don't know if it's true that they are rebooting (Again) the entire DC universe for films, but they really need to work on things. There may be multiple marvel universes, and reboots of some of the primary characters etc, but over all they have worked pretty well with each other and people can follow along with the story/universe etc. ~~Even though there has been 3 spiderman they literally had a movie with all 3 of them~~. DC on the other hand has a bunch of batmans that all are pretty freaking different, and honestly I have only liked one, semi liked another, and was meh about the last 2 (Ben Affleck wasn't horrid in my opinion, but nothing to jump up and down about. The last twilight dude was so bad I didn't finish the movie. I liked the original wonder woman, and that actress was good as her, but the second movie was bad enough I don't mind her going away (wasn't her fault). Flash is just a literal dumpster fire right now. Aquaman was....ok....but nothing amazing, and then you had the whole heard that controversy , so that going away isn't a big problem either. Honestly DC has just lost to Marvel so badly at this point I don't even really compare them. I DID like the harlequin movies pretty much, with those and the first wonderwoman being the only DC movies I really enjoyed watching all the way through at least once (wonder woman 3 times). A fresh new take could be nice, but if you REDO the superman origin story another time I don't think anyone is going to line up for that. It's been done too many times now, in movies, tv shows etc. There is a point where you just gotta say, "ok, everyone knows his origin, lets just start with him being superman already" and we are WAY THE HECK past that point. --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Friends don't make their friends die Hanz. Psychopathic friends do. <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:970321356] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, in most of the comics, animated movies and tv shows, Superman was just as weak to magic as everyone else, but not weaker. That being said, it didn't really matter cause being as weak as everyone else to magic attacks pretty much means you lose vs most people with magic lol.In the animated movie I saw, black adam even stated that superman was weak to his magic/lightning attacks, so in that interpretation even elemental damage created by magic (lightning in this case) could seriously hurt Superman (or weaken him so black adams punches etc could knock him out).In that animated movie there was no equal fight, black adam would have killed superman multiple times if Shazam didn't save him. I know it all depends on the writers etc, but to me (and I think most) I have not gotten too much exposure to shazam/black adam, so a animated movie, the direct movie that came out a few years ago, and the new black adam is pretty much it for me.Supes even makes a cameo at the end of the Shazaam movie heheThere I used a spoiler thingy!!Anyway, I don't know if it's true that they are rebooting (Again) the entire DC universe for films, but they really need to work on things. There may be multiple marvel universes, and reboots of some of the primary characters etc, but over all they have worked pretty well with each other and people can follow along with the story/universe etc. Even though there has been 3 spiderman they literally had a movie with all 3 of them. DC on the other hand has a bunch of batmans that all are pretty freaking different, and honestly I have only liked one, semi liked another, and was meh about the last 2 (Ben Affleck wasn't horrid in my opinion, but nothing to jump up and down about. The last twilight dude was so bad I didn't finish the movie.I liked the original wonder woman, and that actress was good as her, but the second movie was bad enough I don't mind her going away (wasn't her fault).Flash is just a literal dumpster fire right now.Aquaman was....ok....but nothing amazing, and then you had the whole heard that controversy , so that going away isn't a big problem either.Honestly DC has just lost to Marvel so badly at this point I don't even really compare them. I DID like the harlequin movies pretty much, with those and the first wonderwoman being the only DC movies I really enjoyed watching all the way through at least once (wonder woman 3 times).A fresh new take could be nice, but if you REDO the superman origin story another time I don't think anyone is going to line up for that. It's been done too many times now, in movies, tv shows etc. There is a point where you just gotta say, "ok, everyone knows his origin, lets just start with him being superman already" and we are WAY THE HECK past that point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 12/21/22 5:30:48 PM #24:	wolfy42 posted... That being said, it didn't really matter cause being as weak as everyone else to magic attacks pretty much means you lose vs most people with magic lol. Kinds of depends on what sort of magic the magic person does, and how magic works in a given universe/story. For example, if Doctor Strange ties people up with the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, it's theoretically possible to break them with pure strength (Hulk has done it, for instance). So Superman's inherent strength should still give him an advantage against them that normal mortals lack (the average person can't lift hundreds of tons). In a fight against Strange, Superman is still breaking free and punching right through the Shield of the Seraphim (which is also weak to physical force) and murdering Strange. In the same vein, the Winds of Watoomb would generally blow a normal person away, but Superman could theoretically fly into them and resist them, or even do his whole "blow really hard and make a gust of wind" thing to counter them. Again, he'd have an advantage over normal humans here. Where his "weakness" would mostly be a factor is against spells that require actual magical resistance to oppose, that can't be affected by mere physical strength and stamina. For instance, the Bolts of Bedevilment would still theoretically banish him to another dimension, the Mists of Morpheus should still put him to sleep, and the Illusions of Ikonn should still show him believable illusions. Though even then there's potential problems. Superman has superhuman willpower - does that mean he should be able to resist falling asleep or being mentally controlled? Would his X-Ray vision allow him to see through illusions somehow? Other spells are even more complicated. The Flames of the Faltine create magical flame - but does that mean they burn like regular flame (which Superman should be resistant against), or do they somehow magically bypass all of his inherent biology and affect him the same way normal flame would affect a normal person (this would also be a question for stuff like Ghost Rider's Hellfire, which is said to burn both body and soul)? The Vapors of Valtorr create a magical mist that blocks all vision... but would that include X-Ray vision? Are the particles of the mist mundane in nature (which means Superman should be able to see through it), or are they literally magic particles that are immune to his vision in the same way lead is? Different writers would probably interpret each of those cases differently. And that's assuming they aren't in the camp of saying he isn't just vulnerable to magic, but actively weak against it, so it hurts/affects him more than it would a normal human. Because in that case most spells would be super-effective against him. But the point of all this is, if Superman is fighting a specialist mage (someone who only knows certain kinds of spells), he might be completely fine if he can use his strength, toughness, and ability to fly around and shoot lasers out of his eyes to break through the magic anyway. But a more competent universalist (like Strange) who can adapt on the fly and use a ridiculous amount of different types of spells probably stomps him into the mud (especially if we're talking MCU Strange with power over time itself). wolfy42 posted... Flash is just a literal dumpster fire right now. The sad point there is that, for once, the problem isn't poor writing or a bad version of the character as a whole, but is almost entirely because of who they cast. So for once, it's kind of not their fault. wolfy42 posted... A fresh new take could be nice, but if you REDO the superman origin story another time I don't think anyone is going to line up for that. Yeah, but they seem to have figured that much out already. Like, Marvel/Sony deliberately avoided retelling Spider-Man's origin story in spite of rebooting the continuity, they just started with "Okay, here's Spider-Man just doing his thing." And they seem to be going that route with Batman as well, where they seem more inclined to just go "Ehh, you know the deal, we're just starting in media res now." A Superman reboot can just start with Superman already on Earth, doing his thing, and with the assumption that viewers will already have a good idea of who he is and why, and who characters like Lois, the Kents, or Lex Luthor are. The real problem with any Superman reboot is figuring out which villains to use. It seems hard to tell a really great Superman story and keep audiences interested, because his Rogues' Gallery has never been as strong as others (especially Batman's). Which is why there's such a strong impulse to just default to Lex Luthor doing stuff (with Zod, Brainiac, or Darkseid being the main alternative choices). --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:970322249] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote><cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite><quote>That being said, it didn't really matter cause being as weak as everyone else to magic attacks pretty much means you lose vs most people with magic lol.</quote>Kinds of depends on what sort of magic the magic person does, and how magic works in a given universe/story.For example, if Doctor Strange ties people up with the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, it's theoretically possible to break them with pure strength (Hulk has done it, for instance). So Superman's inherent strength should still give him an advantage against them that normal mortals lack (the average person can't lift hundreds of tons). In a fight against Strange, Superman is still breaking free and punching right through the Shield of the Seraphim (which is also weak to physical force) and murdering Strange.In the same vein, the Winds of Watoomb would generally blow a normal person away, but Superman could theoretically fly into them and resist them, or even do his whole "blow really hard and make a gust of wind" thing to counter them. Again, he'd have an advantage over normal humans here.Where his "weakness" would mostly be a factor is against spells that require actual magical resistance to oppose, that can't be affected by mere physical strength and stamina. For instance, the Bolts of Bedevilment would still theoretically banish him to another dimension, the Mists of Morpheus should still put him to sleep, and the Illusions of Ikonn should still show him believable illusions. Though even then there's potential problems. Superman has superhuman willpower - does that mean he should be able to resist falling asleep or being mentally controlled? Would his X-Ray vision allow him to see through illusions somehow?Other spells are even more complicated. The Flames of the Faltine create magical flame - but does that mean they burn like regular flame (which Superman should be resistant against), or do they somehow magically bypass all of his inherent biology and affect him the same way normal flame would affect a normal person (this would also be a question for stuff like Ghost Rider's Hellfire, which is said to burn both body and soul)? The Vapors of Valtorr create a magical mist that blocks all vision... but would that include X-Ray vision? Are the particles of the mist mundane in nature (which means Superman should be able to see through it), or are they literally magic particles that are immune to his vision in the same way lead is?Different writers would probably interpret each of those cases differently. And that's assuming they aren't in the camp of saying he isn't just vulnerable to magic, but actively weak against it, so it hurts/affects him more than it would a normal human. Because in that case most spells would be super-effective against him.But the point of all this is, if Superman is fighting a specialist mage (someone who only knows certain kinds of spells), he might be completely fine if he can use his strength, toughness, and ability to fly around and shoot lasers out of his eyes to break through the magic anyway. But a more competent universalist (like Strange) who can adapt on the fly and use a ridiculous amount of different types of spells probably stomps him into the mud (especially if we're talking MCU Strange with power over time itself).<cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite><quote>Flash is just a literal dumpster fire right now.</quote>The sad point there is that, for once, the problem isn't poor writing or a bad version of the character as a whole, but is almost entirely because of who they cast. So for once, it's kind of not their fault.<cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite><quote>A fresh new take could be nice, but if you REDO the superman origin story another time I don't think anyone is going to line up for that.</quote>Yeah, but they seem to have figured that much out already. Like, Marvel/Sony deliberately avoided retelling Spider-Man's origin story in spite of rebooting the continuity, they just started with "Okay, here's Spider-Man just doing his thing." And they seem to be going that route with Batman as well, where they seem more inclined to just go "Ehh, you know the deal, we're just starting in media res now."A Superman reboot can just start with Superman already on Earth, doing his thing, and with the assumption that viewers will already have a good idea of who he is and why, and who characters like Lois, the Kents, or Lex Luthor are.The real problem with any Superman reboot is figuring out which villains to use. It seems hard to tell a really great Superman story and keep audiences interested, because his Rogues' Gallery has never been as strong as others (especially Batman's). Which is why there's such a strong impulse to just default to Lex Luthor doing stuff (with Zod, Brainiac, or Darkseid being the main alternative choices).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 12/22/22 7:31:14 AM #25:	Black Adam is just YuGiOh --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:970334660] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>Black Adam is just YuGiOh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArvTheGreat 12/22/22 8:38:02 AM #26:	thank you for not using the spoiler tag crap arv didnt have to unhighlight it <3 --- Things are about to get arvified <cite>ArvTheGreat posted [p:970335378] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>thank you for not using the spoiler tag crap arv didnt have to unhighlight it <3</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fettster777 12/22/22 10:21:23 AM #27:	Sufferedphoneix posted... The comic run I mention was from the 90s but the art was done like old ass comics. Think the run was called the powers of Shazam. Adam was a villain kinda but only towards Shazam iirc. Not liking Shazam had the powers iirc. And Shazam didn't like him cause his mortal body was his parents killer. It was definitely different even like his mortal body had his voice removed so he couldn't say Shazam but he found a magic artifact or something that allowed him to transform. That run was my main exposure to black Adam as Shazam comics for me anyways haven't been easy to find. Yes, you're talking about a mid-90s graphic novel called 'The Power of Shazam' by Jerry Ordway. This story led into a Power of Shazam monthly title featuring Captain Marvel (his name at the time) and occasionally had Black Adam make more appearances. If you're interested more in Black Adam comics I suggest the following titles: JSA (1999-2006) 52 (2006-2007) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/52_(comics) Justice Society of America (2006-2011) #23-28 Black Adam The Dark Age (2007-2008) All great stories with Black Adam, especially JSA and 52. <cite>fettster777 posted [p:970336816] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>Sufferedphoneix posted... </cite><quote>The comic run I mention was from the 90s but the art was done like old ass comics. Think the run was called the powers of Shazam. Adam was a villain kinda but only towards Shazam iirc. Not liking Shazam had the powers iirc. And Shazam didn't like him cause his mortal body was his parents killer. It was definitely different even like his mortal body had his voice removed so he couldn't say Shazam but he found a magic artifact or something that allowed him to transform. That run was my main exposure to black Adam as Shazam comics for me anyways haven't been easy to find.</quote>Yes, you're talking about a mid-90s graphic novel called 'The Power of Shazam' by Jerry Ordway. This story led into a Power of Shazam monthly title featuring Captain Marvel (his name at the time) and occasionally had Black Adam make more appearances.If you're interested more in Black Adam comics I suggest the following titles:JSA (1999-2006)52 (2006-2007) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/52_(comics)Justice Society of America (2006-2011) #23-28Black Adam The Dark Age (2007-2008)All great stories with Black Adam, especially JSA and 52.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 12/22/22 6:52:50 PM #28:	ParanoidObsessive posted... Kinds of depends on what sort of magic the magic person does, and how magic works in a given universe/story. This was just in a litrpg I was reading recently as well. Main char is super rediculously strong, but the bad guy basically just teleported him so far away it would take a year to get back to all the people he was protecting etc (kinda like they did to Black Adam in the comics/animated movie lol). Superman doesn't actually have to be weak against most magic for there to be lots of ways to defeat him, he just has to be affected by it. If Strange uses his circular teleport thingy (sorry I'm not an expert on strange), in front of superman and he flies into some other place on another planet far far away, does it really matter if he defeated him at that point, or just removed him from the equation. But yeah depending on howyou play it, even if he just takes normal damage from magic attacks (Even if they are elemental versions like they did in the animated show) it's a HUGE glaring weakness in any universe where magic isn't extremely rare or non-existent. I kinda wish they did more with that and made supes use other abilities (like his wind blowing effect, eye lasers and super speed) to deal with magic he isn't invulnerable to. It's so rare they actually have superman use those abilities defensively, it would be nice to see it happen more, especially in movies etc. My favorite superman show of all time has been Smallville, Lex being one of my favorite villians of all time (along with Kingpin from Netflix's Daredevil). In that show they did deal with magic and even had other people swap bodies with Superman and get his powers etc. They did a really good job of making him vunlnerable to magic (but not weak against it). I have tried (3 times) to watch the newest superman show on the CW but ugh, it just.....it's like a chore to watch. I wonder if the inner child that enjoys superman has died inside me, or if the show just plain sucks. --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Friends don't make their friends die Hanz. Psychopathic friends do. <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:970346456] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite><quote>Kinds of depends on what sort of magic the magic person does, and how magic works in a given universe/story.</quote>This was just in a litrpg I was reading recently as well. Main char is super rediculously strong, but the bad guy basically just teleported him so far away it would take a year to get back to all the people he was protecting etc (kinda like they did to Black Adam in the comics/animated movie lol).Superman doesn't actually have to be weak against most magic for there to be lots of ways to defeat him, he just has to be affected by it. If Strange uses his circular teleport thingy (sorry I'm not an expert on strange), in front of superman and he flies into some other place on another planet far far away, does it really matter if he defeated him at that point, or just removed him from the equation.But yeah depending on howyou play it, even if he just takes normal damage from magic attacks (Even if they are elemental versions like they did in the animated show) it's a HUGE glaring weakness in any universe where magic isn't extremely rare or non-existent.I kinda wish they did more with that and made supes use other abilities (like his wind blowing effect, eye lasers and super speed) to deal with magic he isn't invulnerable to. It's so rare they actually have superman use those abilities defensively, it would be nice to see it happen more, especially in movies etc.My favorite superman show of all time has been Smallville, Lex being one of my favorite villians of all time (along with Kingpin from Netflix's Daredevil). In that show they did deal with magic and even had other people swap bodies with Superman and get his powers etc. They did a really good job of making him vunlnerable to magic (but not weak against it). I have tried (3 times) to watch the newest superman show on the CW but ugh, it just.....it's like a chore to watch. I wonder if the inner child that enjoys superman has died inside me, or if the show just plain sucks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoneix 12/22/22 10:45:53 PM #29:	fettster777 posted... Yes, you're talking about a mid-90s graphic novel called 'The Power of Shazam' by Jerry Ordway. This story led into a Power of Shazam monthly title featuring Captain Marvel (his name at the time) and occasionally had Black Adam make more appearances. If you're interested more in Black Adam comics I suggest the following titles: JSA (1999-2006) 52 (2006-2007) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/52_(comics) Justice Society of America (2006-2011) #23-28 Black Adam The Dark Age (2007-2008) All great stories with Black Adam, especially JSA and 52. Yeah I knew his name was captain Marvel. Iirc they still used the name sparingly even in New 52. They really should get him a new name. I'd settle for something like captain lightningbolt as childish as it sounds it would fit cause hes a kid. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>Sufferedphoneix posted [p:970351280] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>fettster777 posted... </cite><quote>Yes, you're talking about a mid-90s graphic novel called 'The Power of Shazam' by Jerry Ordway. This story led into a Power of Shazam monthly title featuring Captain Marvel (his name at the time) and occasionally had Black Adam make more appearances.If you're interested more in Black Adam comics I suggest the following titles:JSA (1999-2006)52 (2006-2007) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/52_(comics)Justice Society of America (2006-2011) #23-28Black Adam The Dark Age (2007-2008)All great stories with Black Adam, especially JSA and 52.</quote>Yeah I knew his name was captain Marvel. Iirc they still used the name sparingly even in New 52. They really should get him a new name. I'd settle for something like captain lightningbolt as childish as it sounds it would fit cause hes a kid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZangsBeard 12/23/22 1:35:08 AM #30:	I just finished it. Ever been so angry you just ripped a bitch in half? We enjoyed it. Was it a perfect movie? Nah? But I think its one of the better DC movies, personally. I actually look forward to the complete reboot and maybe not dry anal fucking of any semblance of a unified universe going forward. --- Fear the http://img.pestilenceware.com/Zangulus/Beard.jpg <cite>ZangsBeard posted [p:970353990] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>I just finished it. Ever been so angry you just ripped a bitch in half?We enjoyed it. Was it a perfect movie? Nah? But I think its one of the better DC movies, personally. I actually look forward to the complete reboot and maybe not dry anal fucking of any semblance of a unified universe going forward. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 12/23/22 9:32:38 AM #31:	wolfy42 posted... This was just in a litrpg I was reading recently as well. Main char is super rediculously strong, but the bad guy basically just teleported him so far away it would take a year to get back to all the people he was protecting etc (kinda like they did to Black Adam in the comics/animated movie lol). Yeah, again, it's one of those deals where the rules of magic in a given universe change how things work. In some universes you can teleport people against their will. In others you can't. In some you might need a personal item of some kind to invoke sympathy/contagion rules from "real world magic". And so on. Mostly, the rules of magic are complex and counter-intuitive because if you tell a story where I can basically teleport your heart directly out of your chest or otherwise insta-kill you with magic, it makes for very boring stories. And since the entire point of fiction is to tell stories, "common sense" often takes a back seat to narrative. (Sort of like how, in horror movies, the cast basically HAVE to be idiots, because if they were smart, the movie would be over in about 15 minutes.) wolfy42 posted... and made supes use other abilities (like his wind blowing effect, eye lasers and super speed) to deal with magic he isn't invulnerable to. To be fair, this is a narrative issue again. In a realistic universe where Superman had all his powers, the first time he fights a sorcerer, the sorcerer probably gets about two syllables of an incantation or a fraction of a hand gesture out before Superman uses super-speed to gag him and bind his hands. Fight over. (Which is actually one of the ways they had to handicap Doctor Strange in the comics at times, because otherwise he could be way too powerful - he got tied up, gagged, and had his hands tied together a lot. In one X-Men comic, an evil sorcerer literally sealed his mouth up and mutated his hands so he couldn't make gestures at all: https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/uncanny-x-men-190-1-1.jpg ) But yeah, in an even more realistic universe, someone like Superman is probably snapping your neck and flinging your corpse into the sun long before you can do anything to him with magic. Unless you're using magic from miles away and he doesn't know you're casting at him. But if you're capable of doing that, then no one is safe from you anyway. wolfy42 posted... favorite superman show of all time has been Smallville, In that show they did a really good job of making him vunlnerable to magic (but not weak against it). Arguably, he's not actually Superman in that show. For most of it, he's essentially just a weaker Superboy without the name or costume. By the end he's starting to approach actual Superman levels of ability - but they still aren't calling him Superman, and the workarounds they use to avoid "flights and tights" get more and more ridiculous over time. But overall, he's a weaker version of the character than, say, Justice League Unlimited Superman. Ironically, though, he might be fairly close to a Golden Age Superman, who couldn't even fly at first (which is why he "leaps over tall buildings in a single bound"), who was only mostly bulletproof, and who couldn't lift more than a dozen tons or so (compared to modern versions whose strength literally cannot be calculated because it's in the quintillions of tons). Superman's mostly just been suffering from anime-style power creep for 80 years, with occasional resets to weaker levels. Sufferedphoneix posted... Yeah I knew his name was captain Marvel. Iirc they still used the name sparingly even in New 52. They really should get him a new name. They basically did - his name is mostly just Shazam now. Though fun story - the main reason why DC can't call him Captain Marvel is because Marvel holds the trademark on that name. Which means DC could use the name Captain Marvel in a comic, but couldn't call the actual comic book Captain Marvel, or use the name to advertise the comic (ie, they couldn't call him Captain Marvel on the cover). And Marvel has the name because Captain Marvel was originally a character owned by Fawcett Publications, but DC sued the shit out of them in the 40s because they claimed Captain Marvel was a Superman rip-off. And after about 10 years of multiple trials, Fawcett gave up, settled out of court, and stopped publishing Captain Marvel. After years of decline, Fawcett eventually went bankrupt, and DC bought all their characters in the early 70s. But because they'd stopped publishing Captain Marvel, Fawcett let the trademark lapse... so Marvel picked it up in the late 60s for their own character. And has held on to it with a deathgrip since. So DC basically got screwed out of the trademark for the character solely because they'd done their best to ruin the character in the first place. Karma is truly a bitch. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:970358069] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote><cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite><quote>This was just in a litrpg I was reading recently as well. Main char is super rediculously strong, but the bad guy basically just teleported him so far away it would take a year to get back to all the people he was protecting etc (kinda like they did to Black Adam in the comics/animated movie lol).</quote>Yeah, again, it's one of those deals where the rules of magic in a given universe change how things work. In some universes you can teleport people against their will. In others you can't. In some you might need a personal item of some kind to invoke sympathy/contagion rules from "real world magic". And so on.Mostly, the rules of magic are complex and counter-intuitive because if you tell a story where I can basically teleport your heart directly out of your chest or otherwise insta-kill you with magic, it makes for very boring stories. And since the entire point of fiction is to tell stories, "common sense" often takes a back seat to narrative.(Sort of like how, in horror movies, the cast basically HAVE to be idiots, because if they were smart, the movie would be over in about 15 minutes.)<cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite><quote>and made supes use other abilities (like his wind blowing effect, eye lasers and super speed) to deal with magic he isn't invulnerable to.</quote>To be fair, this is a narrative issue again. In a realistic universe where Superman had all his powers, the first time he fights a sorcerer, the sorcerer probably gets about two syllables of an incantation or a fraction of a hand gesture out before Superman uses super-speed to gag him and bind his hands. Fight over.(Which is actually one of the ways they had to handicap Doctor Strange in the comics at times, because otherwise he could be way too powerful - he got tied up, gagged, and had his hands tied together a lot. In one X-Men comic, an evil sorcerer literally sealed his mouth up and mutated his hands so he couldn't make gestures at all: https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/uncanny-x-men-190-1-1.jpg )But yeah, in an even more realistic universe, someone like Superman is probably snapping your neck and flinging your corpse into the sun long before you can do anything to him with magic. Unless you're using magic from miles away and he doesn't know you're casting at him. But if you're capable of doing that, then no one is safe from you anyway.<cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite><quote>favorite superman show of all time has been Smallville, In that show they did a really good job of making him vunlnerable to magic (but not weak against it). </quote>Arguably, he's not actually Superman in that show. For most of it, he's essentially just a weaker Superboy without the name or costume.By the end he's starting to approach actual Superman levels of ability - but they still aren't calling him Superman, and the workarounds they use to avoid "flights and tights" get more and more ridiculous over time. But overall, he's a weaker version of the character than, say, Justice League Unlimited Superman.Ironically, though, he might be fairly close to a Golden Age Superman, who couldn't even fly at first (which is why he "leaps over tall buildings in a single bound"), who was only mostly bulletproof, and who couldn't lift more than a dozen tons or so (compared to modern versions whose strength literally cannot be calculated because it's in the quintillions of tons). Superman's mostly just been suffering from anime-style power creep for 80 years, with occasional resets to weaker levels.<cite>Sufferedphoneix posted...</cite><quote>Yeah I knew his name was captain Marvel. Iirc they still used the name sparingly even in New 52. They really should get him a new name.</quote>They basically did - his name is mostly just Shazam now.Though fun story - the main reason why DC can't call him Captain Marvel is because Marvel holds the trademark on that name. Which means DC could use the name Captain Marvel in a comic, but couldn't call the actual comic book Captain Marvel, or use the name to advertise the comic (ie, they couldn't call him Captain Marvel on the cover).And Marvel has the name because Captain Marvel was originally a character owned by Fawcett Publications, but DC sued the shit out of them in the 40s because they claimed Captain Marvel was a Superman rip-off. And after about 10 years of multiple trials, Fawcett gave up, settled out of court, and stopped publishing Captain Marvel.After years of decline, Fawcett eventually went bankrupt, and DC bought all their characters in the early 70s. But because they'd stopped publishing Captain Marvel, Fawcett let the trademark lapse... so Marvel picked it up in the late 60s for their own character. And has held on to it with a deathgrip since.So DC basically got screwed out of the trademark for the character solely because they'd done their best to ruin the character in the first place. Karma is truly a bitch.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoneix 12/23/22 11:52:57 AM #32:	ParanoidObsessive posted... Yeah, again, it's one of those deals where the rules of magic in a given universe change how things work. In some universes you can teleport people against their will. In others you can't. In some you might need a personal item of some kind to invoke sympathy/contagion rules from "real world magic". And so on. Mostly, the rules of magic are complex and counter-intuitive because if you tell a story where I can basically teleport your heart directly out of your chest or otherwise insta-kill you with magic, it makes for very boring stories. And since the entire point of fiction is to tell stories, "common sense" often takes a back seat to narrative. (Sort of like how, in horror movies, the cast basically HAVE to be idiots, because if they were smart, the movie would be over in about 15 minutes.) To be fair, this is a narrative issue again. In a realistic universe where Superman had all his powers, the first time he fights a sorcerer, the sorcerer probably gets about two syllables of an incantation or a fraction of a hand gesture out before Superman uses super-speed to gag him and bind his hands. Fight over. (Which is actually one of the ways they had to handicap Doctor Strange in the comics at times, because otherwise he could be way too powerful - he got tied up, gagged, and had his hands tied together a lot. In one X-Men comic, an evil sorcerer literally sealed his mouth up and mutated his hands so he couldn't make gestures at all: https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/uncanny-x-men-190-1-1.jpg ) But yeah, in an even more realistic universe, someone like Superman is probably snapping your neck and flinging your corpse into the sun long before you can do anything to him with magic. Unless you're using magic from miles away and he doesn't know you're casting at him. But if you're capable of doing that, then no one is safe from you anyway. Arguably, he's not actually Superman in that show. For most of it, he's essentially just a weaker Superboy without the name or costume. By the end he's starting to approach actual Superman levels of ability - but they still aren't calling him Superman, and the workarounds they use to avoid "flights and tights" get more and more ridiculous over time. But overall, he's a weaker version of the character than, say, Justice League Unlimited Superman. Ironically, though, he might be fairly close to a Golden Age Superman, who couldn't even fly at first (which is why he "leaps over tall buildings in a single bound"), who was only mostly bulletproof, and who couldn't lift more than a dozen tons or so (compared to modern versions whose strength literally cannot be calculated because it's in the quintillions of tons). Superman's mostly just been suffering from anime-style power creep for 80 years, with occasional resets to weaker levels. They basically did - his name is mostly just Shazam now. Though fun story - the main reason why DC can't call him Captain Marvel is because Marvel holds the trademark on that name. Which means DC could use the name Captain Marvel in a comic, but couldn't call the actual comic book Captain Marvel, or use the name to advertise the comic (ie, they couldn't call him Captain Marvel on the cover). And Marvel has the name because Captain Marvel was originally a character owned by Fawcett Publications, but DC sued the shit out of them in the 40s because they claimed Captain Marvel was a Superman rip-off. And after about 10 years of multiple trials, Fawcett gave up, settled out of court, and stopped publishing Captain Marvel. After years of decline, Fawcett eventually went bankrupt, and DC bought all their characters in the early 70s. But because they'd stopped publishing Captain Marvel, Fawcett let the trademark lapse... so Marvel picked it up in the late 60s for their own character. And has held on to it with a deathgrip since. So DC basically got screwed out of the trademark for the character solely because they'd done their best to ruin the character in the first place. Karma is truly a bitch. I'm aware of all this..Shazam is just a dumb name for him since he can't really say it without having lightning called --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>Sufferedphoneix posted [p:970360262] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, again, it's one of those deals where the rules of magic in a given universe change how things work. In some universes you can teleport people against their will. In others you can't. In some you might need a personal item of some kind to invoke sympathy/contagion rules from "real world magic". And so on.Mostly, the rules of magic are complex and counter-intuitive because if you tell a story where I can basically teleport your heart directly out of your chest or otherwise insta-kill you with magic, it makes for very boring stories. And since the entire point of fiction is to tell stories, "common sense" often takes a back seat to narrative.(Sort of like how, in horror movies, the cast basically HAVE to be idiots, because if they were smart, the movie would be over in about 15 minutes.)To be fair, this is a narrative issue again. In a realistic universe where Superman had all his powers, the first time he fights a sorcerer, the sorcerer probably gets about two syllables of an incantation or a fraction of a hand gesture out before Superman uses super-speed to gag him and bind his hands. Fight over.(Which is actually one of the ways they had to handicap Doctor Strange in the comics at times, because otherwise he could be way too powerful - he got tied up, gagged, and had his hands tied together a lot. In one X-Men comic, an evil sorcerer literally sealed his mouth up and mutated his hands so he couldn't make gestures at all: https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/uncanny-x-men-190-1-1.jpg )But yeah, in an even more realistic universe, someone like Superman is probably snapping your neck and flinging your corpse into the sun long before you can do anything to him with magic. Unless you're using magic from miles away and he doesn't know you're casting at him. But if you're capable of doing that, then no one is safe from you anyway.Arguably, he's not actually Superman in that show. For most of it, he's essentially just a weaker Superboy without the name or costume.By the end he's starting to approach actual Superman levels of ability - but they still aren't calling him Superman, and the workarounds they use to avoid "flights and tights" get more and more ridiculous over time. But overall, he's a weaker version of the character than, say, Justice League Unlimited Superman.Ironically, though, he might be fairly close to a Golden Age Superman, who couldn't even fly at first (which is why he "leaps over tall buildings in a single bound"), who was only mostly bulletproof, and who couldn't lift more than a dozen tons or so (compared to modern versions whose strength literally cannot be calculated because it's in the quintillions of tons). Superman's mostly just been suffering from anime-style power creep for 80 years, with occasional resets to weaker levels.They basically did - his name is mostly just Shazam now.Though fun story - the main reason why DC can't call him Captain Marvel is because Marvel holds the trademark on that name. Which means DC could use the name Captain Marvel in a comic, but couldn't call the actual comic book Captain Marvel, or use the name to advertise the comic (ie, they couldn't call him Captain Marvel on the cover).And Marvel has the name because Captain Marvel was originally a character owned by Fawcett Publications, but DC sued the shit out of them in the 40s because they claimed Captain Marvel was a Superman rip-off. And after about 10 years of multiple trials, Fawcett gave up, settled out of court, and stopped publishing Captain Marvel.After years of decline, Fawcett eventually went bankrupt, and DC bought all their characters in the early 70s. But because they'd stopped publishing Captain Marvel, Fawcett let the trademark lapse... so Marvel picked it up in the late 60s for their own character. And has held on to it with a deathgrip since.So DC basically got screwed out of the trademark for the character solely because they'd done their best to ruin the character in the first place. Karma is truly a bitch.</quote>I'm aware of all this..Shazam is just a dumb name for him since he can't really say it without having lightning called</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 12/23/22 2:57:21 PM #33:	Sufferedphoneix posted... I'm aware of all this..Shazam is just a dumb name for him since he can't really say it without having lightning called He can. Because it's usually not just about saying the name, it's about the intent while saying the name. So just saying "Hi, nice to meet you, I'm Shazam" doesn't trigger it. Because he needs to want to trigger it while saying the name. But also, it's not as if it would be a new problem even if it did always work that way. Captain Marvel Jr literally couldn't say his name in the comics because his magic phrase wasn't "Shazam", it was "Captain Marvel". --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:970363377] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sufferedphoneix posted...</cite><quote>I'm aware of all this..Shazam is just a dumb name for him since he can't really say it without having lightning called</quote>He can. Because it's usually not just about saying the name, it's about the intent while saying the name. So just saying "Hi, nice to meet you, I'm Shazam" doesn't trigger it. Because he needs to want to trigger it while saying the name.But also, it's not as if it would be a new problem even if it did always work that way. Captain Marvel Jr literally couldn't say his name in the comics because his magic phrase wasn't "Shazam", it was "Captain Marvel".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C-Raine 12/23/22 9:32:10 PM #34:	The whole superhero genre wears the stink of the massive censorship regulations on comic books. A whole medium was ruined because of soft americans who hate free speech. <cite>C-Raine posted [p:970370239] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>The whole superhero genre wears the stink of the massive censorship regulations on comic books.A whole medium was ruined because of soft americans who hate free speech.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cacciato 12/24/22 5:02:36 AM #36:	Even though you deleted the message, here you go, scooter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comics_Code_Authority Give that a read before you shit your pants over being worried about a slighted insult to liberals. <cite>Cacciato posted [p:970375141] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>Even though you deleted the message, here you go, scooter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comics_Code_AuthorityGive that a read before you shit your pants over being worried about a slighted insult to liberals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yellow 12/24/22 5:16:12 AM #37:	Cacciato posted... Even though you deleted the message, here you go, scooter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comics_Code_Authority Give that a read before you shit your pants over being worried about a slighted insult to liberals. Yeah that's why I deleted it, you're fucking sharp as ever Honestly, I respect it <cite>Yellow posted [p:970375226] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>Cacciato posted... </cite><quote>Even though you deleted the message, here you go, scooter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comics_Code_AuthorityGive that a read before you shit your pants over being worried about a slighted insult to liberals.</quote>Yeah that's why I deleted it, you're fucking sharp as everHonestly, I respect it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoneix 12/24/22 7:52:37 AM #38:	ParanoidObsessive posted... He can. Because it's usually not just about saying the name, it's about the intent while saying the name. So just saying "Hi, nice to meet you, I'm Shazam" doesn't trigger it. Because he needs to want to trigger it while saying the name. But also, it's not as if it would be a new problem even if it did always work that way. Captain Marvel Jr literally couldn't say his name in the comics because his magic phrase wasn't "Shazam", it was "Captain Marvel". Hmm I've never seen him say Shazam without transforming. Yeah and that's why junior went by cm3 iirc --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>Sufferedphoneix posted [p:970376331] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite><quote>He can. Because it's usually not just about saying the name, it's about the intent while saying the name. So just saying "Hi, nice to meet you, I'm Shazam" doesn't trigger it. Because he needs to want to trigger it while saying the name.But also, it's not as if it would be a new problem even if it did always work that way. Captain Marvel Jr literally couldn't say his name in the comics because his magic phrase wasn't "Shazam", it was "Captain Marvel".</quote>Hmm I've never seen him say Shazam without transforming. Yeah and that's why junior went by cm3 iirc</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Arcturusisnow 12/24/22 8:21:06 AM #39:	wolfy42 posted... Last few were really bad. Can't believe they did Wonder Woman like that in 1984. The first wonder woman is probably my favorite DC movie to date. I get what your saying about comics etc, but meh, still just seemed kinda messed up and hawkdude was a total jerk for no real reason. Fate was like, we are making a mistake but meh, go ahead anyway, and I agree that the whole "don't kill anything" is done all the time, just didn't seem as blatant (or stupid) in other movies, at least to me. Also the whole main char having his family killed getting put in suspended animation, waking up attacked by justice league, giving up powers, getting them back etc all in 1 day from his perspective (which is what I meant, that it had all happened in 1 day lol), is just funny AF.......he should be like "You supes, you got a gf or wife? What if she was preggers and got killed by I don't know, one of your villians, how would you react bud?" That wasn't any of his villains. It was the Joker that did that. Your metaphor makes no sense whatsoever. <cite>Arcturusisnow posted [p:970376540] in Black adam... [t:80281800]...</cite> <quote>wolfy42 posted... </cite><quote>Last few were really bad. Can't believe they did Wonder Woman like that in 1984. The first wonder woman is probably my favorite DC movie to date.I get what your saying about comics etc, but meh, still just seemed kinda messed up and hawkdude was a total jerk for no real reason. Fate was like, we are making a mistake but meh, go ahead anyway, and I agree that the whole "don't kill anything" is done all the time, just didn't seem as blatant (or stupid) in other movies, at least to me.Also the whole main char having his family killed getting put in suspended animation, waking up attacked by justice league, giving up powers, getting them back etc all in 1 day from his perspective (which is what I meant, that it had all happened in 1 day lol), is just funny AF.......he should be like "You supes, you got a gf or wife? What if she was preggers and got killed by I don't know, one of your villians, how would you react bud?"</quote>That wasn't any of his villains. It was the Joker that did that. Your metaphor makes no sense whatsoever.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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