Board 8 > Fire Emblem Topic 5: Kaga will wait patiently for his revenge...

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

It's not gonna take much for him to surpass Roy for me.

Dude should have just STAYED in Smash Melee.

It doesn't help that Smash Roy and FE Roy are basically nothing alike lol

I can also never forgive him for not gaining a single point of resistance in the entirety of his 19 prepromote levelups.

Eliwood is notable for being the only person to beat the dad curse.

Once I finish all this stuff and the Kagastation games and Engage is all cleaned up, I look forward to checking out some romhack stuff. Obviously I've been using some quality of life stuff, like Lil Manster and FE7+ now, but I mean like...the real shit.

https://feuniverse.us/t/fe8-complete-myrm-emblem-v2-0/11213

Lordy.

It seems like a thriving community.

Getting a real "the world is healing" vibe from these FE7 posts

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Maybe I'll need to revisit Echoes some day

Echoes is hard carried by its presentation. I think re-experiencing all its gameplay quirks when they aren't novel would be...difficult.

More pondering while I'm stuck away at work.

If I had to pick one unique class to bring over from Fates to future games, or at least something filling the same niche, it would absolutely be Maid/Butler. I adore how daggers/shuriken work in this game, as debuggers offering minor chip damage (Felicia hitting hard with the flame Shuriken just didn't feel right) to setup kills. In Conquest, where you don't have infinite free training, it's even more useful since you actually might need some help safely getting kills to raise units. Chipping with an archer just can't compare, especially since I personally like when archers ate powerhouses instead.

I say Maid/Butler rather than Ninja because I want the full support utility. Healing when needed, but useful on turns where you don't, in a way that feels better than just having a spellcaster who's not as strong as the focused spellcaster. The Nina's sword utility on promotion means you're having to decide between def buffing or just regular damage, which isn't as fun.

I really like Outlaws too, as far as Fates classes go. Combining thieves and archers was a smart choice to give two fairly mediocre classes more utility.

For hacks, I highly recommend Elibian Nights. It's a bunch of self-contained stories (a chapter or two in length each) that expand on FE6 and 7.

Will keep that hack in mind!

Outlaws also hit a similar niche there, yeah. It's a similar issue for me as Ninja though where there's a potential raw damage option.

A huge part of the throwing weapon benefit that makes me like them so much is the universal 1-2 range. Not only does it mean they're never complete defensless, always being able to counterattack means you can easily set up tankier units to draw in hits from 2 range enemies that will prioritize not being counterattacked whenever possible (though this is a Fates AI thing, I know not every game works like this).

Which reminds me, I like the balance that the strongest throwable melee weapons are two range only. In a lot of game you can throw a Spear or Tomahawk on units for enemy phase and reliabley take out units a lot of the time.

The nerf to two-range weapons just made Xander and Ryoma even better, since they have the only strong 1-2 range physical option in the game. I know one of the meta setups is Master Ninja with Sol since they have 1-2 range, so even in Fates you can make the hidden weapon users into map soloers.

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....I just realized I've always imagined ballistas shooting like....

.....Big fucking spears?

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Gotta get that hot Nils strength.

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THE ENDORPHINS

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Wallace get his own unique recruitment music.

That means he's a badass, right?

Those are some mighty fine Lyn level-ups.

I know that the later games inflating stats and giving everyone higher growth rates made it more difficult for characters to get RNG screwed, but that also means you don't get your brain tickled whenever your Myrmidon gains Str+1.

It's not a real FE game until you finally get a thief level up and it's just +1 skill.

Going into the last Lyn chapter, and the Christmas Cav RNG has spoken. It was, uh...not close.

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That huge skill lead ain't gonna cut it, my boy.

Don't worry Kent, when I redo these chapters for Hector Mode I'll be giving you all the Cav EXP!

Fuck yeah Wallace! In the running for having the best group of supports in the game.

Yeah I generally prefer using Sain as well.

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Kill me.

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Honestly getting a bit emotional!

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I literally never used Marcus in FE6, lol. Is he one of the good ones here?

He's strong.

Not sure how hot of a take this is, but the first ten chapters of FE7 are the best part. I wish Lyn and her squad had been the main focus the whole way through.

FE7 Marcus is insanely good. He'll probably be outmatched by e.g. Sain eventually but Marcus is viable all game with almost zero investment needed.

Raaaaad. Guess I'll check out and see if boss exp works like it did in FE8 and if so may give him some of the early boss kills.

And ANOTHER Cav in Lowen here. God, drowning in them.

Rebecca gained a point of speed in her levelup, if that let's her double them maybe that's a shot!

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The myth, the legend.

Dude just fucking mercd a guy for looking at him funny.

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Fun Wallace fact: the "default" Wallace you get by skipping Lyn Mode has slightly better stats than 12/1 Wallace (because General's bases are better than Knight bases plus promotion bonuses). The game also switches to Default Wallace if you somehow managed to get Wallace killed in Lyn Mode, which means that killing Wallace makes him stronger.

I always get a little emotional with Lyn and her grandfather too, except the emotion is great annoyance.

"I'm dying..."

"No, don't do that!"

"Well, okay."

I had a friend in Discord tell me how much I fucked up by not promoting Wallace in Lyn mode, apparently he's fucking doomed on recruitment, lol.

There's some wacky ones in this, they said! I can get someone else instead if Wallace, but to do so I have to reach a cumulative level 50 between my Lords super early?? I really don't want to funnel all the exp if they're just gonna be sitting unpromoted for ages after that!

Also I wanted to use Rath but was told Lyn mode kind of screws him too, lol.

When I do my Hector mode Lyn run, I'm gonna fucking lame it out against one of the bosses and make Wallace a champion through chip EXP. Suppose it'll be Oswin this time around.

Yeah, the funny thing about playing Lyn mode is that you want to kill Rath and Wallace because they'll end up better when they rejoin in the main game.

Recruiting Knight Wallace is kind of a pain in HHM, but you're on Eliwood Mode. You'll be fine.

Dunno if I'd say the level 50 checkpoint (in Eliwood Mode I think it's "by the end of Chapter 22") is "super early", but it does require effort. I don't suppose you kept a second Lyn Mode file? 'Cause if you won't be trying to train all three Lords in the same file that your Lyn had 10 Str at level 7, well, that's a shame. (Admittedly your Eliwood is, uh, less exciting.)

Default Rath has two decent levels and one bow rank over Lyn Mode Rath, which puts him about on par with a Rath that was actually trained. I would not worry about it.

Fuck, I did have a Lyn mode file but I overwrite it on accident like a moron, lol.

Ahhh well. Technically speaking if I wanted to get fucky I could save state for good levelups, but after the Fiona debacle I have PTSD.

If it's actually not a big deal to get there, then I'll go for it this time, and build up a rad Wallace next time. I don't think I'm gonna be using any other characters in this current party so far other than Serah (who doesn't steal EXP) and Marcus (who is only killing bosses, hell yes GBA boss exp calculations), and my lords anyways. Matthew's 3 1-point levelups means he's cursed so i'll be using that edge lord dude I'm pretty sure isn't too far away instead. Don't really need 15 SPEED right now, Mathew!!

There's no reason to promote thieves in this game since they lose the ability to steal and their combat still sucks. Speed is really all that matters on Matthew anyway.

assassins may suck but they are - and this is crucial - extremely fun

getting the lords to cumulative level 50 is pretty easy if you're using all three of them. I typically only miss it if I'm not training one or both of Eliwood and Lyn.

Mewtwo59 posted...

they lose the ability to steal

https://youtu.be/wE6TSvoZFYc

Not everyone can be a champion like Lara I guess.

Yeah I usually hit the requirements for the Wallace map by accident.

Kenri posted...

assassins may suck but they are - and this is crucial - extremely fun

Oh yes.

And yeah I find it harder to get Wallace than the other guy. Speaking of the other guy...I find he's got just as good of supports as Wallace and is generally a better unit anyway so hey.

Yes, assassins are fun, but you get a pretty solid assassin for free, so there's no reason to train Matthew, especially since you can't promote him until after that assassin joins.

Yeah that's probably worth mentioning too that you only get one Fell Contract in the entire game and its literally like 3 maps before the ending lol

Finally a convoy, it only took 14 chapters!

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About damn time.

Mewtwo59 posted...

Yes, assassins are fun, but you get a pretty solid assassin for free, so there's no reason to train Matthew, especially since you can't promote him until after that assassin joins.

Counterpoint! Matthew is one of the best characters in the series so you should use him anyway!

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Finally a convoy, it only took 14 chapters!

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About damn time.

If that scrub Eliwood is already level 8, I don't think you'll have any trouble getting the other guy's chapter when it pops up.

Yeah, Hector is 13 and Lyn/Eliwood are 12 now after the Raven chapter (level 5???), so I'm no longer worried lol.

It's difficult to figure out the exp formula. For all intents and purposes I feel like the higher level units should be getting peanut experience, but they're still getting 25ish a kill it feels like. At the very least I'm no longer getting cap 100 exp from bosses, so Marcus boss kills are no longer optimal. He got some fantastic levelups up to level 4 though, like a regular unit!

Really enjoying myself. Obviously it's not as interesting to comment on as Fates nonsense, but I'm just having a really good time. I'll try my best bit to let post-3DS haze cloud my judgment, lol.

I only have one really issue so far and it's that rain sucks. Temporary random psuedo desert that also slows mages and fliers? No thanks.

Yeah rain is annoying and it doesn't even really affect anything tactically because it slows enemies just as much as you (whereas deserts don't because enemies tend to have mass fliers etc in those maps for the added challenge).

Luckily its only in a couple maps so it doesn't really detract much.

Even as a desert chapter enjoyer it's hard to defend the rain. Maybe it should not affect horses and pirates or something so there are at least tactical considerations to be made.

I think weather would an interesting mechanic if it wasn't a timed thing and it affected deployment maybe?

Like, it's raining on this map, so you can't use cavalry because of the mud. It's snowing on this map, so no fliers.

It's difficult to figure out the exp formula. For all intents and purposes I feel like the higher level units should be getting peanut experience, but they're still getting 25ish a kill it feels like.

FE7 normal mode uses a more-generous EXP formula when, basically, you are higher level than your target.

I think weather would an interesting mechanic if it wasn't a timed thing and it affected deployment maybe?

I think that "you can't use unit type X on this map for reasons" is a bad idea in general.

I'm sure I would hate it in execution, but it's fun to think about!

There's nothing quite like making a positioning error at the end of a map whilst on autopilot to make you think Divine Pulse is the best new feature added in recent games. I'm glad its coming back in Engage!

(In this instance it was moving Hinoka onto Corrin's tile intending to pair them up, but because I've only recently promoted her to Falcon Knight, that bit of muscle memory now defaults to healing Corrin for 2hp whilst putting her in range of boss Keaton who's able to stroll over and oneshot her with his beast-effective attack zzz)

I accidentally healed instead of pairing up like....4 times while playing Fates.

"Don't attack Fargus or you'll regret it!"

I'm sure he can't be that-

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And a Killer Axe....ah.

When trying to choose between 2 units I've been leveling, as far as who to stick with, I think I'm gonna start looking at the Serenes Forest average stats page to help make the call. Previously I'd only ever used it to laugh at by beefy murder machine Micaiah RNG, but sitting here deciding between Serah and Priscilla, and couldn't make the call. Checked the page and Serah is HP screwed by about 3 points! If she got something else as a trade it's be one thing, but she's average or a point below everywhere other than an extra 2 points of....skill. So Priscilla it is.

Fargus gets hilariously buffed on Eliwood Hard Mode specifically. They messed something up with how his stats are generated and so instead of using his intended boss stats and having hard mode bonuses added on, he treats his intended stats as if they were class bases, gets a ton of auto-levels worth of stat boosts because he's level 18 promoted, and then gets hard mode bonuses on top of that. He ends up breaking the HP cap, having capped strength and near capped everything else, it's funny. There's also an enemy that benefits from the same mistake on Hector Hard Mode, but luckily he's nowhere near as busted as Fargus (and is also optional anyway)