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I dont get why people get such a bug up their butt about steroids

people use them, its not a big deal

VampireCoyote posted...

I dont get why people get such a bug up their butt about steroids

people use them, its not a big deal

It's annoying when people lie about it or dance around the issue when asked. Especially the world's most famous movie star who leaves a huge impression on the the younger audience.

VampireCoyote posted...

I dont get why people get such a bug up their butt about steroids

people use them, its not a big deal

I mean...that's why people care. It shouldn't be a big deal outside of competitive sports, but we have people being secretive and lying about their steroid use, which in turn can give unrealistic standards and goals to young men that don't know any better.

It's great that the rock can do this, and I'm looking into TRT myself, but when you're dishonest about how you achieved your goals and say it's just through hard work, that really does a number on the psyche of the young impressionable kids that aren't getting the same results.

Look through the topic, no one is demonizing steroids. Steroids are great. The only thing people are saying is be honest.

pinky0926 posted...

I mean sure this is a relatively niche issue, it's not the war in Ukraine or whatever. I realize most people don't care about steroids. But...this topic is about steroids. Is it weird we are discussing it here?

Oh definitely not. But the general concept that an overwhelming majority of people do not see this as an issue has to be one you recognize, no?

You just made it sound like something you were very passionate about it and didn't understand why others seem to just blow it off.

pinky0926 posted...

I believe he said he tried steroids when he was younger and it wasn't for him. My guess is he's a "I'm not on steroids, I'm on TRT" kinda guy.

I don't think people hound him about it as much as the liverking but then again, the liverking went out of his way to be combative about the issue so it went down differently.

That can also be true. There's A LOT of people, even ones that follow people like The Rock or others in professional wrestling, that think "steroids" encompasses everything currently being used to artificially enhance ones physique.

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Not really.

If someone like The Rock or Liver King wants to put out content to millions of followers on social media claiming they have achieved these insane muscles all by doing 100% all natural diet and exercise they should be called out for lying.

They are presenting and profiting off of false claims and it's bullshit. It's obvious you are juicing and no human could ever have a body like that without some form of enhancements so just come clean already.

Pot demands kettle come clean

McMarbles posted...

Pot demands kettle come clean

Not really, because Rogan is pretty up front about the stuff he uses.

He just wants Dwayne Johnson to do the same.

bigblu89 posted...

Not really, because Rogan is pretty up front about the stuff he uses.

He just wants Dwayne Johnson to do the same.

Even in this video he's upfront about his TRT usage and how good it makes him feel.

I think theres a serious conversation that needs to be had about the use of steroids in the fitness industry. More importantly, if you do use steroids or something of the like, then you should absolutely be honest about it. No shame in doing so. Its your life. However, steroids create unrealistic standards of what is achievable to people who dont lift weights, especially the younger crowd. There are plenty of people who think Hollywood physiques you see in superhero movies are achievable and thats just not really true without the use of steroids.

Would it be great if The Rock admitted to steroid use? Absolutely. It would get the conversation moving a lot more. People should know what is and is not realistic in terms of achievable physiques and strength level. People also need to know about the dangers of steroids and the long term effects that can have on the body.

I like to think that I have a decent enough physique. At least one good enough to where people compliment me and say that my body is their goal. However, Ill never be huge. You cant really be lean, big, and natty at the same time unless you have the genetics of a deity. Almost everyone will have to choose two of the three.

The other side of this is that steroids should be legal. I'm not about to start buying unregulated blackmarket gear and then inject it into me, but I'd like to be able to get an Rx just to get buff.

El_Marsh posted...

He is a human being, not a "brand"

Quite honestly, that's a huge problem with this celebrity worship nonsense.

It's all smiles and adoration until you get bored and then you have to muddy them up a bit to keep your interest, never mind that it's an actual human being that you're fucking with along the way.

You make up these little scenarios where "I must know the truth for the good of humanity" or some such but all you're doing is being a creepy little ass to a complete stranger who happens to be successful at playing film characters.

I don't really give a damn about the Rock in all honesty but I think this desire to have him "come clean" about his personal habits is carny nonsense.

It's a pretty shit hobby if that's what you're really into.

I agree with a few of your points.

But The Rock literally does sell himself like a brand. He has a movie production company named after a personal anecdote. He's out there shilling his energy drink company and gym equipment. He calls in from his personal gym for video game marketing shows.

It's also why he won't ever talk about it. It would harm his brand.

Scarecrow17 posted...

I think theres a serious conversation that needs to be had about the use of steroids in the fitness industry. More importantly, if you do use steroids or something of the like, then you should absolutely be honest about it. No shame in doing so. Its your life. However, steroids create unrealistic standards of what is achievable to people who dont lift weights, especially the younger crowd. There are plenty of people who think Hollywood physiques you see in superhero movies are achievable and thats just not really true without the use of steroids.

Would it be great if The Rock admitted to steroid use? Absolutely. It would get the conversation moving a lot more. People should know what is and is not realistic in terms of achievable physiques and strength level. People also need to know about the dangers of steroids and the long term effects that can have on the body.

I like to think that I have a decent enough physique. At least one good enough to where people compliment me and say that my body is their goal. However, Ill never be huge. You cant really be lean, big, and natty at the same time unless you have the genetics of a deity. Almost everyone will have to choose two of the three.

In The Rock's defense, being part Samoan, he does come from a lineage of VERY large men, so his natural base is probably a lot larger than the average person.

Combine that with his lifestyle giving him the ability to put in 5-7 hour gym sessions, using the most state of the art equipment, and keep track of ever morsel of food that goes in his body, there is a chance he is natural.

Read the interviews Kumail Nanjiani did to promote Eternals, and the stories he told about how grueling it was to get into the kind of shape he was in for that movie. Months of clean living, and 7 hours worth of gym sessions.

Or Rob McElhenney from Always Sunny when he posted what his "workout plan" when he got himself shredded for a role.

Look, its not that hard. All you need to do is lift weights six days a week, stop drinking alcohol, dont eat anything after 7pm, dont eat any carbs or sugar at all, in fact just dont eat anything you like, get the personal trainer from Magic Mike, sleep nine hours a night, run three miles a day, and have a studio pay for the whole thing over a six to seven month span. I dont know why everyones not doing this. Its a super realistic lifestyle and an appropriate body image to compare oneself to.

When your body is your brand, like it is for The Rock, you do whatever it takes to keep that brand at it's peak.

I'm not saying he's 100% natural, as I have no proof either way. But it can be done.

Robot2600 posted...

The other side of this is that steroids should be legal. I'm not about to start buying unregulated blackmarket gear and then inject it into me, but I'd like to be able to get an Rx just to get buff.

Steroids are legal provided you get them prescribed. I'd look into TRT personally, though.

bigblu89 posted...

In The Rock's defense, being part Samoan, he does come from a lineage of VERY large men, so his natural base is probably a lot larger than the average person.

Combine that with his lifestyle giving him the ability to put in 5-7 hour gym sessions, using the most state of the art equipment, and keep track of ever morsel of food that goes in his body, there is a chance he is natural.

Read the interviews Kumail Nanjiani did to promote Eternals, and the stories he told about how grueling it was to get into the kind of shape he was in for that movie. Months of clean living, and 7 hours worth of gym sessions.

Or Rob McElhenney from Always Sunny when he posted what his "workout plan" when he got himself shredded for a role.

When your body is your brand, like it is for The Rock, you do whatever it takes to keep that brand at it's peak.

I'm not saying he's 100% natural, as I have no proof either way. But it can be done.

This is where you're wrong. Without steroids, it's literally impossible to workout that much as your body does not have the ability to recover and actually build muscle. What steroids do isn't build muscle, but accelerate the recovery, allowing users to continue to work their bodies at a rate a natural person can't.

No doubt actors put in the work to get jacked, but when they're giving interviews talking about working out for hours every day, what they're leaving out is that they had assistance in recovery. There's nothing wrong with that, again, but just be honest about it, because just by reading your post it's clear that people think it's possible to be The Rock's completely natural at his age.

codey posted...

This is where you're wrong. Without steroids, it's literally impossible to workout that much as your body does not have the ability to recover and actually build muscle. What steroids do isn't build muscle, but accelerate the recovery, allowing users to continue to work their bodies at a rate a natural person can't.

No doubt actors put in the work to get jacked, but when they're giving interviews talking about working out for hours every day, what they're leaving out is that they had assistance in recovery. There's nothing wrong with that, again, but just be honest about it, because just by reading your post it's clear that people think it's possible to be The Rock's completely natural at his age.

I'm going to take your word for it, as reading through the thread, you seems to know more about the subject than I ever will, but I just find it tough to believe that EVERY person that looks the way The Rock does is on some illegal substance.

Chris Hemsworth is on the screen in the new Thor movie - "He's on the gas!"
Dave Bautista in Guardians - "He's on the gas!"

Rock is on the Gas. Apparently Kumail was on the gas for Eternals. Hugh Jackman. Random guys in bodybuilding competitions where they test. Everyone?

You saying there isn't ANYONE out there looking like the Rock (not peak Rock posting on IG with Photoshop, filters, and every possible drop of water sucked out of his body. I'm talking regular, filming an episode of "Young Rock" day to day Dwayne Johnson) at 50 and are completely natural?

Again, I'm not arguing, just asking. Hope it doesn't come off as I'm being combatitve.

bigblu89 posted...

I'm going to take your word for it, as reading through the thread, you seems to know more about the subject than I ever will, but I just find it tough to believe that EVERY person that looks the way The Rock does is on some illegal substance.

Chris Hemsworth is on the screen in the new Thor movie - "He's on the gas!"
Dave Bautista in Guardians - "He's on the gas!"

Rock is on the Gas. Apparently Kumail was on the gas for Eternals. Hugh Jackman. Random guys in bodybuilding competitions where they test. Everyone?

You saying there isn't ANYONE out there looking like the Rock (not peak Rock posting on IG with Photoshop, filters, and every possible drop of water sucked out of his body. I'm talking regular, filming an episode of "Young Rock" day to day Dwayne Johnson) at 50 and are completely natural?

Again, I'm not arguing, just asking. Hope it doesn't come off as I'm being combatitve.

Actually, steroid use is pretty rampant in bodybuilding, to the point that they have separate competitions for natural competitors.

To your other point, I don't think everyone the rocks size is on steroids. Natural bodybuilders often get that big. What isn't possible is getting that size while working out for several hours every single day, because your body never recovers. If doing intense workouts, your body typically needs around 48 hours to recover. Might be shorter, might be longer. But steroids can essentially cut that recovery time in half, allowing you to build muscle in a short time because you don't have to rest.

So when you hear an actor say that he worked out for 5 hours everyday and ate lean, there's always something they leave out: recovery. They work out every day because they don't have to recover like typical people. Steroid use is actually pretty dang common, I just wish people were honest about their use of it so it doesn't give kids crazy ideas about what they can, normalizes the use of them, and makes it safer overall because it's more accepted and you don't have to get random shit from Joey in the gym lol

bigblu89 posted...

I'm going to take your word for it, as reading through the thread, you seems to know more about the subject than I ever will, but I just find it tough to believe that EVERY person that looks the way The Rock does is on some illegal substance.

Chris Hemsworth is on the screen in the new Thor movie - "He's on the gas!"
Dave Bautista in Guardians - "He's on the gas!"

Rock is on the Gas. Apparently Kumail was on the gas for Eternals. Hugh Jackman. Random guys in bodybuilding competitions where they test. Everyone?

You saying there isn't ANYONE out there looking like the Rock (not peak Rock posting on IG with Photoshop, filters, and every possible drop of water sucked out of his body. I'm talking regular, filming an episode of "Young Rock" day to day Dwayne Johnson) at 50 and are completely natural?

Again, I'm not arguing, just asking. Hope it doesn't come off as I'm being combatitve.

100% yes. 200% if they were wrestlers in WWE on the level of Rock or Batista lol

codey posted...

To your other point, I don't think everyone the rocks size is on steroids. Natural bodybuilders often get that big.

Rock weighs in at 270 in a hoodie and shoes, so like 265-268 nude.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a natural body builder that size, at least based on about 5 minutes on google I can't. Mike O'Hearn is the biggest I can find and is listed at 6'2" or 6'3" and highest weight I've seen listed is 260 with 245 being more common.

Norman_Smiley posted...

Rock weighs in at 270 in a hoodie and shoes, so like 265-268 nude.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a natural body builder that size, at least based on about 5 minutes on google I can't. Mike O'Hearn is the biggest I can find and is listed at 6'2" or 6'3" and highest weight I've seen listed is 260 with 245 being more common.

You know he's commonly called Mike O'Tren in the fitness community, lol

Not a soul believes he's truly natural

pinky0926 posted...

You know he's commonly called Mike O'Tren in the fitness community, lol

Not a soul believes he's truly natural

didnt know that, all I saw is he was a 4x mr. natural universe and over 200.

vast majority of big natural body builders were in their 190s at 510 to 6

Norman_Smiley posted...

didnt know that, all I saw is he was a 4x mr. natural universe and over 200.

vast majority of big natural body builders were in their 190s at 510 to 6

I mean look at him
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/4/1/AADfCWAAD9pd.jpg

The guy on the left is openly on all the gear, and the guy on right claims natural

Seems sus right

If he is mr. Naturural universe i take it he has to take a drug test right. I highly doubt that guy is natural. He must have found a way to beat the system.

SauI_Goodman posted...

If he is mr. Naturural universe i take it he has to take a drug test right. I highly doubt that guy is natural. He must have found a way to beat the system.

i think its been a long time since he won mr natty universe. i could find a 15 year old pose down on youtube, he was much smaller looking then, albeit still on the boundary of what is possible.