Board 8 > Fifa World Cup Qatar 2022 - Topic 3

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Mexico is 2 up on Fair Play points. So thats 2 yellows.

Not sure how a 2nd yellow for a player plays into that. Or a straight red.

Who is winning in fair play points?

Thanks Seanchan

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Seanchan posted...

Mexico is 2 up on Fair Play points. So thats 2 yellows.

Not sure how a 2nd yellow for a player plays into that. Or a straight red.

Two yellows is -3, so one yellow for Kyrchowiak would have tied it up

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Mexico dead

Well

Actually that does nothing for Poland. Mexico scores here they still go through

s now find their balls

It being decided by fair play points is a bit silly to me because not all referees are the same. Some will throw out cards far easier than others.

and now Argentina have a clear run to the semi final

Ah, I was watching commentary only since I'm at work. Glad the fair play part has become irrelevant

My 6-4-4-3 prediction after round 1 ended up being great.

Shattered posted...

It being decided by fair play points is a bit silly to me because not all referees are the same. Some will throw out cards far easier than others.

The old method was to flip a coin.

Once you are this far down the tie-breaking scenarios it's going to be quite arbitrary.

Flip a coin is still next after fair play

USA best NA team as expected!

voltch posted...

USA best NA team as expected!

Just wait until Costa Rica defeats Germany tomorrow.

Wonder what odds you'd get on a Japan Costa Rica 1 2 tomorrow

shane15 posted...

Wonder what odds you'd get on a Japan Costa Rica 1 2 tomorrow

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/8/0/AANz_VAAD8Eg.png

Roughly the same odds here in the UK

A bit late on the arrival, but, updated Group Standings!
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/9/0/AAE6mcAAD8GO.jpg

Knockout Stage Bracket:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/9/1/AAE6mcAAD8GP.png

You guys weren't giving a single peso for Mexico but they were pretty darn close to advancing.

Also, have a ranking of the eliminated nations so far:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/3/4/AAE6mcAAD8Ie.png

I am more excited for Croatia vs. Belgium than I thought I would be. I don't care particularly for any team, but watching Croatia play against Canada was some of the most satisfying football I have seen this tournament and with Belgium flopping and Croatia being head to head with Morocco, I could see Croatia aiming big here by trying to get many goals.

I just realized that the Japan game is tonight at 4:00 A.M. and not Friday night/Saturday morning, so I have work at 10. Gross

I would love to get revenge on Croatia in the semi final but i doubt neither of us will get there this time.

We've been horrible this entire tournament (and the past year and a half), but we still have a shot. Winning against Croatia won't be easy, but at least it's in our own hands.
Whatever happens, Martinez needs to go. Should have been let go after the EC anyway.

I don't think Belgium will qualify for the next World Cup. They'll get in the Euros though because it's harder to not qualify.

Well more teams qualify next World Cup and they might still get a good seed. I except them to be in but not among the favorites anymore.

European qualification will probably remain mostly the same. If you take the most recent process instead of there being a play off semi final it'll just be a straight up 1 on 1 play off. That means Italy would've still failed to qualify and North Macedona, Ukraine and Sweden would've got in.

shane15 posted...

European qualification will probably remain mostly the same. If you take the most recent process instead of there being a play off semi final it'll just be a straight up 1 on 1 play off. That means Italy would've still failed to qualify and North Macedona, Ukraine and Sweden would've got in.

not sure exactly how they do it, but UEFA gets 3 more teams in 2026

Yeah we currently get 13. If you add the 3 teams i mentioned that's our 16 teams. They've said they're revamping it for the next World Cup so we'll see what they come up with. I'm not a fan of them linking it with the nations league though. Personallyi think they should go back to the 8 groups and top 2 get into the finals.

I feel like the combination of more teams and only one team not making it out of groups is dumb

Qatar was ranked 50th. We are adding teams at Qatars level to the tournament

Put it this way i'll be very surprised if any of the weakest seeded teams make it out of the group stage next time out.

I personally think a 48 team tournament should start with 12 groups of 4 teams. The 1st place teams automatically advance to the knock-out stage, then the 8 best performing 2nd place teams advance to a play-off against each other (seeded based on their group performances). The rest (including the 4 worst performing 2nd place teams) are eliminated. The first place teams are then awarded extra time to rest/train ahead of their next match while the playoffs occur. The winners of those playoffs are then seeded against the 4 best performing 1st place teams while the 8 worst performing 1st place teams face each other in the round of 16.

So basically;

Playoffs
Playoff A - Best Performing 2nd Place Team vs 8th Best Performing 2nd Place Team
Playoff B - 4th Best Performing 2nd Place Team vs 5th Best Performing 2nd Place Team
Playoff C - 3rd Best Performing 2nd Place Team vs 6th Best Performing 2nd Place Team
Playoff D - 2nd Best Performing 2nd Place Team vs 7th Best Performing 2nd Place Team

Knockouts
Best Performing 1st Place Team vs Playoff Winner B
8th Best Performing 1st Place Team vs 9th Best Performing 1st Place Team
4th Best Performing 1st Place Team vs Playoff Winner A
5th Best Performing 1st Place Team vs 12th Best Performing 1st Place Team
3rd Best Performing 1st Place Team vs Playoff Winner D
6th Best Performing 1st Place Team vs 11th Best Performing 1st Place Team
2nd Best Performing 1st Place Team vs Playoff Winner C
7th Best Performing 1st Place Team vs 10th Best Performing 1st Place Team

masterplum posted...

I feel like the combination of more teams and only one team not making it out of groups is dumb

Qatar was ranked 50th. We are adding teams at Qatars level to the tournament

I don't think they've fully decided on how they are doing groups

and ya, it'll be interesting to see who gets in, but it shouldn't be too bad

AFC, CONCACAF and OFC will be putting in crap teams. Likely 7 teams

But CAF, UEFA and CONMEBOL should be putting in decent teams, Likely 9 teams.

I hope they don't do 3 teams per group tho

paulg235 posted...

I personally think a 48 team tournament should start with 12 groups of 4 teams. The 1st place teams automatically advance to the knock-out stage, then the 8 best performing 2nd place teams advance to a play-off against each other (seeded based on their group performances). The rest (including the 4 worst performing 2nd place teams) are eliminated. The first place teams are then awarded extra time to rest/train ahead of their next match while the playoffs occur. The winners of those playoffs are then seeded against the 4 best performing 1st place teams while the 8 worst performing 1st place teams face each other in the round of 16.

So basically;

Playoffs
Playoff A - Best Performing 2nd Place Team vs 8th Best Performing 2nd Place Team
Playoff B - 4th Best Performing 2nd Place Team vs 5th Best Performing 2nd Place Team
Playoff C - 3rd Best Performing 2nd Place Team vs 6th Best Performing 2nd Place Team
Playoff D - 2nd Best Performing 2nd Place Team vs 7th Best Performing 2nd Place Team

Knockouts
Best Performing 1st Place Team vs Playoff Winner B
8th Best Performing 1st Place Team vs 9th Best Performing 1st Place Team
4th Best Performing 1st Place Team vs Playoff Winner A
5th Best Performing 1st Place Team vs 12th Best Performing 1st Place Team
3rd Best Performing 1st Place Team vs Playoff Winner D
6th Best Performing 1st Place Team vs 11th Best Performing 1st Place Team
2nd Best Performing 1st Place Team vs Playoff Winner C
7th Best Performing 1st Place Team vs 10th Best Performing 1st Place Team

I suspect if they did 12 teams of 4 they would do top 2 and then top 8 3rd place teams also advance and they just do a round of 32

All the European and South American teams will get out of the group stage. Also UEFA were moaning about the games increasing from 7 so they were forced to try and keep it 7 games total to the final.

Groups of 3 will just mean extremely boring final group games a lot of the time. Plus, it's a huge advantage to play last.

UEFA were complaining more about the fact that it's a transparent move to curry favour with the African and Asian Associations by increasing their slots, this securing their backing for re-election, and if they cared about competitive integrity Europe and South America would be getting more than a combined 5 slots.

shane15 posted...

All the European and South American teams will get out of the group stage. Also UEFA were moaning about the games increasing from 7 so they were forced to try and keep it 7 games total to the final.

oh really? gross

so thats either a 3 team group with an extra elimination round or a weird convoluted way of deciding the bracket for 2nd place teams

damn that sucks. Just add another game and do a round of 32. That is literally the easiest way of doing it

12 groups of 4, top 2 make it (24) and then the top 8 of the 3rd place teams get seeded and make it to a round of 32.

another game might not be what UEFA wants but the way they do it is gonna be messy as heck if they don't just do it that way

It's before my lifetime and I still know of the controversies that came with not having last group game for each played at the same time.

Hades posted...

UEFA were complaining more about the fact that it's a transparent move to curry favour with the African and Asian Associations by increasing their slots, this securing their backing for re-election, and if they cared about competitive integrity Europe and South America would be getting more than a combined 5 slots.

CAF doesn't really seem all that concerning. They have 5 teams that didn't make it that are all ranked in the top 50. Getting 4 or 5 other teams in should be fine.

It's AFC and CONCACAF that should be the biggest issues. They are getting likely 6 more teams and the top 4 teams not in are Panama (60), Jamaica (64), Iraq (68), UAE (70). We are certainly going to be getting some pretty meh teams.

IMO UEFA should have gotten 18 teams instead of 16, and they should take 1 from AFC and 1 from CONCACAF. 8 teams from Asia is insane

The problem with the 12 groups thing is it also adds more days to the tournament. The traditional length is 31 days. Even if they do the more compact style of Qatar you're still adding like 2 weeks onto that.

For those that don't know what ctes is talking about and why the new format could be bad...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_FIFA_World_Cup_Group_B
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_FIFA_World_Cup_Group_2

Argentina and West Germany played their last group games after the result of the other match had already happened. So they knew what was needed and played with that specific result in mind.

(With that said, In Argentina's case, they were the hosts and they managed to delay their game long enough to let the other match be played out. They were originally supposed to both happen at the same time like the other second round group game.)

shane15 posted...

The problem with the 12 groups thing is it also adds more days to the tournament. The traditional length is 31 days. Even if they do the more compact style of Qatar you're still adding like 2 weeks onto that.

Play 6 games a day or something then instead of 4. They have 16 sites for the 2026 tourny

I don't think the gap in quality is all that big.

Qatar have been the only truly abject team in the tournament, and even that's been a massive underperformance from where they were a few years ago. We'll definitely get more worse teams on average, don't get me wrong, but I think the 3 team groups will make it more uncompetitive than 4 team groups would. 3 team groups will have very stark differences between the teams, compared to 4 team groups where almost every team faces another that's comparable in quality.

My biggest issue is that New Zealand will practically be guaranteed a spot in every World Cup for the foreseeable future.

Morocco off to a good start