Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 396: America's Mid(terms)

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

You realize what this is actually saying is "If we remove poor people from the forum, it will be better", right?

No? It is saying that if you aren't the product then you are only going to use it if it makes your life better.

Because you are the product of social media, social media tries to make you as valuable as possible by trying to suck as much time and engagement out of you as humanly possible

masterplum posted...

No? It is saying that if you aren't the product then you are only going to use it if it makes your life better.

Because you are the product of social media, social media tries to make you as valuable as possible by trying to suck as much time and engagement out of you as humanly possible

You need to learn to read between the lines.

People pay for social media with their clicks. Ad revenue is generated through sucking as much time and engagement out of you as humanly possible.

Adding a paywall just means that you're reducing clicks and trying to replace them with subscriptions.

The real effect? Remove people who can't pay.

"If we remove the undesirables, the forum will be better" is the real statement. If the person who wrote the book doesn't realize that's what they're saying, then they're as naive as you are.

The thing Elon doesn't understand, is that the verified are (usually) THE content, while the unverified masses are the consumers.

So then you have the "content" paying to get their posts priority in the algorithm, and the consumers, the people who you want the most engaged for ad revenue, are going to be algorithmically less engaged, lol.

It's nonsensical.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

You need to learn to read between the lines.

People pay for social media with their clicks. Ad revenue is generated through sucking as much time and engagement out of you as humanly possible.

Adding a paywall just means that you're reducing clicks and trying to replace them with subscriptions.

The real effect? Remove people who can't pay.

"If we remove the undesirables, the forum will be better" is the real statement. If the person who wrote the book doesn't realize that's what they're saying, then they're as naive as you are.

Feel free to read it yourself

https://a.co/d/66sFT4N

masterplum posted...

Feel free to read it yourself

https://a.co/d/66sFT4N

Nah.

I understand the conceptual idea, but at a moment's worth of thought, it's a bad solution. It ignores the economic model of Facebook, and the theory has significant classist effect. So like, it's a cute idea in theory, but practically it would be dumb to implement in the way you described it.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Nah.

I understand the conceptual idea, but at a moment's worth of thought, it's a bad solution. It ignores the economic model of Facebook, and the theory has significant classist effect. So like, it's a cute idea in theory, but practically it would be dumb to implement in the way you described it.

Its no more classist than Netflix is classist

... Netflix is not a social media company, it is a video entertainment company

Apples are classist. Oranges are not classist.

masterplum posted...

Its no more classist than Netflix is classist

Watching what your friends are up to is not the same as watching Friends.

RaidenGarai posted...

Apples are classist. Oranges are not classist.

Apples have embraced diversity WAY more than oranges have

I think what it might boil down to is Musk thinking that the checkmark is for "clout" because that's what he thinks and he thinks everyone must think the same as he does. Therefore, it's something he think he can charge for and people will want it.

When really it's there so people know the person is who they say they are and not some fake troll account spreading shit.

So his whole scheme to make the checkmark buyable (and behind a paygate) both misunderstands the point of the checkmark for the vast majority of twitter users and will result in it losing whatever value it actually had to them by making it no longer fulfill that basic function.

I've actually read some halfway decent sounding ideas for how to implement changes to Twitter that might bring in some money but at the same time it's a bit difficult to believe Twitter didn't think of them themselves years ago.

It looks like Twitters previous business model was hope some rich idiot buys us before we go under

Just like Parler!

Suprak_the_Stud posted...

It looks like Twitters previous business model was hope some rich idiot buys us before we go under

Hey, they made a net profit once or twice!

Thorn posted...

I think what it might boil down to is Musk thinking that the checkmark is for "clout" because that's what he thinks and he thinks everyone must think the same as he does. Therefore, it's something he think he can charge for and people will want it.

You're absolutely correct but I'll add that he doesn't just believe it's for clout, he believes it's essentially a conspiracy to elevate "lies" over "the truth". It's all part of the right-wing chud worldview that he's bought into.

#TrumpIsDead is trending

Amazing

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/02/us/white-lives-matter-trademark-reaj

Based.

Has Musk clarified that there will be no verification with his new blue checkmark scheme? It's not like paying for one and verification are mutually exclusive.

Yesmar_ posted...

Has Musk clarified that there will be no verification with his new blue checkmark scheme? It's not like paying for one and verification are mutually exclusive.

It is just a subscription service available to everyone, no actual verification.

He tells already verified people that theyre all gonna owe him $8 soon, but that could just be his dumb ass thinking hes funny

Dunno if this perspective is right or not, but its interesting!

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1588190763413868553?s=21

I hate to hand it to Matty, but I think theres probably some truth to what hes saying. I definitely feel like Elon and a lot of his supporters just fundamentally dont get the point of the checkmark, and think its more of a cool status symbol than it is.

No one thinks its cool. people regularly just dunk on people for having the checkmark already, and that will only get worse when the checkmark is also a signifier that the person is dumb enough to spend $8 a month on a checkmark.

also I feel like these guys cant tell the difference between someone who is mad and someone who is just pointing out how dumb an idea is. I assume this is because people are constantly calling them dumb, and they need to pretend that its not because they are actually dumb.

the right has weirdly been whining about "blue checks" for a while before this whole mess of a deal even started, just google "blue check meme" and check the image results, it'll mostly be about trolling liberal elites about Trump

it even continues in one of the many dumb memes Musk himself posted in the recent days, one where blue checks were NPCs angry with Musk for the change

... which is just... weird right? because now all the Muskrats are hyped put have their own checkmark and Musk is mocking his own system he wants to start selling?

MoogleKupo141 posted...

I hate to hand it to Matty, but I think theres probably some truth to what hes saying.

i mean you could have handed it to me. i made more or less the same point just in less detail.

Kenri and GMUN are right too, of course, that the right had made checkmarks part of their hate crusade years ago so Musk living in those circles has influenced his view too.

Yesmar_ posted...

Has Musk clarified that there will be no verification with his new blue checkmark scheme? It's not like paying for one and verification are mutually exclusive.

https://twitter.com/RMac18/status/1588304086792667136

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/1/3/AAeYFbAAD2K5.png

new reports suggesting the blue mark check is no longer a verification check

goes along with the comment Musk himself made that there would be a secondary verification signifier for prominent figures

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1587527711228149765

because yeah this second feature wouldn't really make sense if the checkmark is already verification... which apparently it no longer will be

Oh its no longer a verification mark?

Well lol what a stupid plan this is.

...Like we've been saying

https://www.wsj.com/articles/general-mills-audi-and-pfizer-join-growing-list-of-companies-pausing-twitter-ads-11667507765?mod=hp_lead_pos1

It's happening.

Twitters literally kicking everyone out of the building ahead of layoffs

https://twitter.com/kolinakoltai/status/1588352556865970176?s=21

https://twitter.com/potus/status/1588199321568157697?s=46&t=r9fU8hSdK0xOXTW3L-fCiw

Very dumb wording here. No money is going back into our pockets

I mean, that phrase is commonly used even when it's not literally accurate at least in my experience.

That's like...the only way the phrase IS used!

If you imagine $100 tickets with $50 fees it's a $150 transaction where you keep 0.

Now it can be a $150 transaction where you keep $50 <_<

Yeah it's more like "staying in your pocket", but it's a positive step regardless.

we've been watching musk going full 4chan the past 72 hours

my registry for dumb tweets has lost all sensitivity to pick this up

The timing of these affirmative action cases at SCOTUS is extraordinarily good for Republicans. The Dems are getting hammered with moderate and independent voters over this.

What happened to the democrats...

PA is looking to go red now in the Senate as Fetterman spirals to a slow death.

Nevada is looking to go red.

Georgia is looking to go red.

New Hampshire is now in play to go red.

Arizona may not be as safe as once expected.

55-45 Red chances in senate on 538.

RCP has Republicans holding leads in NH, PA, Nevada, and GA. (Slight).

Generic Ballot is 3-4% in Republicans favor and that is never in their favor.

I know the usual midterm slaughter happens to presidents normally but this is a stunning turnaround from just a month ago.

Student debt relief ended up backfiring politically. Most affected were already dems. Those who already paid them off or didn't get relief were riled up against the dems, and Republicans affected stand ready to take the relief all the while acting like it's bullshit and they didn't want the relief.

If this trend continues for Republicans at this rate til the polls Tuesday, we might get the red tide.

That said, what is up with the complete lack of polls this election. Silver looks like he pivoted to not weight polls so strongly for dems like he did in previous elections so I suspect his forecasts will be more on the money now.

I told you all in 2016 the republican senator candidate I believe his name was Murphy or whatever would win despite being down like 3-4% in the polls. I told you Trump would take PA. I told you Biden would take PA in 2020. Based on what I am hearing and seeing. Fetterman is dead in the water after the debate. I expect Oz will take PA. I have heard almost not a peep about Oz and Fetterman before the debate. After the debate, I have seen so much about fettermans debate performance and support for Oz firing up all over social media and on the ground. While I expect things to sway red where I am, Westmoreland County is an indicator area for how elections will go along with Erie and a couple of other areas. A fetterman win would be an extreme surprise.

There is a lot of assumption there Corrik.

We are one normal polling error away from 46 D seats. Or 54 D seats. I would hold gloating until after the election

If democrats lose big its going to simply going to be this is the highest inflation weve had in 40 years. Nothing exciting.

masterplum posted...

There is a lot of assumption there Corrik.

We are one normal polling error away from 46 D seats. Or 54 D seats. I would hold gloating until after the election

If democrats lose big its going to simply going to be this is the highest inflation weve had in 40 years. Nothing exciting.

I'm not gloating. It is literally astronomical how much they have fallen apart in polling in the past month.

Corrik7 posted...

I'm not gloating. It is literally astronomical how much they have fallen apart in polling in the past month.

My guess is a lot of undecides broke R due to dissatisfaction with the current state of the world

But I don't know. We'll see on Tuesday I suppose

masterplum posted...

There is a lot of assumption there Corrik.

We are one normal polling error away from 46 D seats. Or 54 D seats. I would hold gloating until after the election

If democrats lose big its going to simply going to be this is the highest inflation weve had in 40 years. Nothing exciting.

Ignoring the whole "highest corporate profits in 70 years."

TheRock1525 posted...

Ignoring the whole "highest corporate profits in 70 years."

This argument drives me up a wall every time.

Highest corporate profits are directly related to inflation. They aren't the highest inflation adjusted corporate profits

masterplum posted...

This argument drives me up a wall every time.

Highest corporate profits are directly related to inflation. They aren't the highest inflation adjusted corporate profits

Who gives a shit about adjustments? The fact that corporations are making billions while average people are being gouged for basic necessities is a BAD thing. And it doesnt help that so much of the current inflation problem is caused by corporate profiteering.

Espeon posted...

Who gives a shit about adjustments? The fact that corporations are making billions while average people are being gouged for basic necessities is a BAD thing. And it doesnt help that so much of the current inflation problem is caused by corporate profiteering.

Corporations aren't people. If corporations make record profits the money ends up somewhere, and a lot of it went to minimum wage hikes when all the companies started hiking up minimums to 15 an hour at the beginning of the year.

Espeon posted...

Who gives a shit about adjustments? The fact that corporations are making billions while average people are being gouged for basic necessities is a BAD thing. And it doesnt help that so much of the current inflation problem is caused by corporate profiteering.

Corporate profits are getting ready to plunge to losses due to fed increases. That is hardly going to help the average person. If the average person had even more money, supplies would be limited even more causing even more inflation. The shutdowns caused problems we haven't seen in a long time.

I swear corporate profits is misinformation funneled in by Russia to the far left the same way that QAnnon is funneled to the far right.

Who gives a shit about corporate profits. You should care about how the profits are distributed such as Ceo pay ratios.

Focusing on corporate profits leads to taxes on corporate profits which leads to CEOs reducing profits in the easiest way possible which is often just paying themselves more money. Dumbest strawman there is

masterplum posted...

I swear corporate profits is misinformation funneled in by Russia to the far left the same way that QAnnon is funneled to the far right.

Who gives a shit about corporate profits. You should care about how the profits are distributed such as Ceo pay ratios.

Focusing on corporate profits leads to taxes on corporate profits which leads to CEOs reducing profits in the easiest way possible which is often just paying themselves more money. Dumbest strawman there is

So I say record-breaking corporate profits are a problem, and your response is to tell me Im brainwashed by Russian propaganda, before describing one of the EXACT reasons high corporate profits are a problem?

LordoftheMorons posted...

Dunno if this perspective is right or not, but its interesting!

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1588190763413868553?s=21

I think it's only interesting to the extent that he mischaracterizes the history, but sure

masterplum posted...

Focusing on corporate profits leads to taxes on corporate profits which leads to CEOs reducing profits in the easiest way possible which is often just paying themselves more money. Dumbest strawman there is

Now if only there was also a tax on how much those C suite people get paid, like we used to have... and a law against stock buybacks, like we used to have... would be pretty cool huh.

Democrat messaging, as always, is bad. The commercials that i saw in Wisconsin were literally just "this republican is TOO EXTREME, vote for NOT THEM." And obviously while that's true, it's presented in such a stupid and oblivious way that all it does is make your current supporters feel better.

Espeon posted...

So I say record-breaking corporate profits are a problem, and your response is to tell me Im brainwashed by Russian propaganda, before describing one of the EXACT reasons high corporate profits are a problem?

You realize ceo pay is the same problem when companies make no money and are going out of business right? Golden parachutes and all that?

masterplum posted...

I swear corporate profits is misinformation funneled in by Russia to the far left the same way that QAnnon is funneled to the far right.

Who gives a shit about corporate profits. You should care about how the profits are distributed such as Ceo pay ratios.

Focusing on corporate profits leads to taxes on corporate profits which leads to CEOs reducing profits in the easiest way possible which is often just paying themselves more money. Dumbest strawman there is

*facepalm*

we care about corporate profits because those are things not going to the working class of that company and because of price gouging that is going on to the working class when shopping.

The fact that you somehow don't grasp this on the level to compare it to qanon is just literally insane.