Board 8 > YGO Master Duel Mafia Topic 7 - Zero Days since the last Microtransaction

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ViolentAbacus
10/22/22 12:22:21 AM
#201:


I wish I could play mafia.

My anxiety gets to me so bad. And I balk under any sort of "you're wrong"

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Kirby321
10/22/22 12:23:23 AM
#202:


Lopen, I'm sorry for gaslighting you the entire game I was having way too much fun with that LMFAO

You, my friend, are scary in a 1v1. I was freaking out about you in the scum board on Day 4 and was like "YO WHY IS LOPEN SUDDENLY MAKING SENSE". ggs

And Peaf, your bus drive on Hb was absolutely pivotal to putting our plans to shambles. And then bus driving onto Abacus was really smart. Kudos to you, too!

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changmas
10/22/22 12:24:01 AM
#203:


the moral of the story here is to never play mafia while on discord calls with your friends playing other games

8 hours ago i dont make this mistake lol

but its all fair play imo and ultimately a funny ending

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Peace___Frog
10/22/22 12:24:42 AM
#204:


Thanks! Fun fact, if i was a normal bd and poppy wasn't assassin, then he would have been dead for wrong reasons at the start of d2!

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Kirby321
10/22/22 12:24:47 AM
#205:


Self-voting is perfectly fine as a gambit.

It's the "you need to unvote before you can vote again" rule that's the real annoying one.
(But maybe I'm just saying that because we completely lost to that technicality, be it on purpose or not lol)

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HanOfTheNekos
10/22/22 12:27:14 AM
#206:


Hey BCT, Sultan, remember when I told you guys to look elsewhere?

Listen to Town Han

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changmas
10/22/22 12:28:16 AM
#207:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Hey BCT, Sultan, remember when I told you guys to look elsewhere?

Listen to Town Han

:)

i really did suck up and play directly to your sensibilities when i came back EOD1 lol. i presume that won't work again

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Peace___Frog
10/22/22 12:30:01 AM
#208:


Letters to me will probably work again as long as they come up naturally, let's be real

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ViolentAbacus
10/22/22 12:30:17 AM
#209:


@PunishedBen

If you do Cobra Kai mafia, I may see if I could cohost with you. Feel like that would be more in my wheelhouse - and have an idea for Discworld & would like to get a feel for more of the admin side.

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BlueCrystalTear
10/22/22 12:32:36 AM
#210:


Lopen: That was awesome, omg XD. You activated a trap card nobody knew you had! If I had been around to see that and not rewriting my 300 write-up (see sig topic), I'd have voted Kirby instantly.

Chang: Well done! That fake role was very elaborate and interesting, and I never doubted your role, just your alignment. You are scum MVP, with Sultan in second. Not a typo.

Sultan: I expect an apology. You literally bashed my play constantly for no reason, when I gave you every indication that I was town. My ISO was proof of how badly you played. Literally everything you did was harmful to town, and the fact that you weren't scum blows my mind just as much as Chang's true alignment.

My claim was 100% legitimate btw, and my thoughts throughout the game were honest in the moment. Yes, I changed my mind as things happened, but that's the game for you. I'm flattered that I solicited not just a roleblock but also a lot of gem use, so that's a compliment.

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HanOfTheNekos
10/22/22 12:33:12 AM
#211:


changmas posted...
i really did suck up and play directly to your sensibilities when i came back EOD1 lol. i presume that won't work again

I was so tilted lol.

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Hbthebattle
10/22/22 12:33:28 AM
#212:


both BCT and sultan needed to chill out about each other

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Kirby321
10/22/22 12:33:54 AM
#213:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Hey BCT, Sultan, remember when I told you guys to look elsewhere?

Listen to Town Han

:)

We specifically killed you because we didn't want peeps looking elsewhere lol

And we almost got away with it!

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BlueCrystalTear
10/22/22 12:34:02 AM
#214:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Hey BCT, Sultan, remember when I told you guys to look elsewhere?

Listen to Town Han

:)
I tried. He didn't look anywhere else.

Also no way was I voting Lopen here, no way.

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Leafeon13N
10/22/22 12:34:44 AM
#215:


changmas posted...
ehh it's 100% avoidable if you dont get too hyped / jump the gun when you're distracted
It opens a big can of worms, actually moreso at deadlines than mid day like that. Intentionally confusing people with fake votes when votes are already hard to keep track of is bad for the game.
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Kirby321
10/22/22 12:37:59 AM
#216:


Yeah, as much as I advocate for self-votes (especially in games like this where it's a strategic option for scum to deny currency), if it means takes down the "need to unvote before voting again rule" in the process, I am all for the banning of self-votes.

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HanOfTheNekos
10/22/22 12:38:11 AM
#217:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
I tried. He didn't look anywhere else.

Also no way was I voting Lopen here, no way.

As frustrating as the game went, you pulled some valuable experience in the later parts. Try to hone in on that for the future. And remember - sometimes when people think you're Scum, they're just wrong. Every Town player is wrong at some point in every game, so do your best not to take it personally... or else you lynch the Doctor.

Leafeon13N posted...
It opens a big can of worms, actually moreso at deadlines than mid day like that. Intentionally confusing people with fake votes when votes are already hard to keep track of is bad for the game.

Yeah, I agree with this.

Unvotes should not be required.
Chris's MYLO/LYLO vote locking rule suggestion is good.


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PunishedBen
10/22/22 12:38:17 AM
#218:


I'm a big fan of abusing the rules so I'm pretty amused by that ending.

But yes I'll also continue to say self votes are banned in my games because they will be abused as long as they exist.

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HanOfTheNekos
10/22/22 12:39:26 AM
#219:


Oh and I think self-votes are lame too.

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BlueCrystalTear
10/22/22 12:46:12 AM
#220:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
As frustrating as the game went, you pulled some valuable experience in the later parts. Try to hone in on that for the future. And remember - sometimes when people think you're Scum, they're just wrong. Every Town player is wrong at some point in every game, so do your best not to take it personally... or else you lynch the Doctor.
I do apologize for lynching you that one time you were doc, but I was scum that game lol

And yeah, I think once I started opening my eyes more and whatnot I got better, and yes, every town player gets to be wrong at some point. That's the point of the game! But there's a difference in being wrong and obsessing about a completely wrong read. It was Sultan's obsession with me that caused me to not get off his case; if he had gotten off my case and contributed useful posts, I'd have gotten off his. SBell was wrong here too, but I don't think lynching him was particularly bad when he went and tried to change the lynch to someone people were saying was town, namely me. And I was wrong about him, which goes back to your point.

I probably won't play the next one but it depends on what it is. I think I need a break after this game. I like the "every other game" idea.

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changmas
10/22/22 12:53:15 AM
#221:


i will say though i think playing scum is like three or four times as much fun as playing town

i feel like we played very well up until we didn't and probably would've won if the game played out without that gaffe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bePA7XPpJKE

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changmas
10/22/22 12:53:55 AM
#222:


and @Lea the reverse flowchart literally worked. the flowchart actually was manifesting my alignment!

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Lopen
10/22/22 1:11:58 AM
#223:


So yeah that was cheap but the dramatic build up was to either psych Sultan into unvoting or psych scum into hammering so it worked.

I do think if we lynched Kirby we MAY have won. But yeah pretty unlikely.

I'm not above cheap tricks in any case.

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Lopen
10/22/22 1:13:04 AM
#224:


And yeah I don't like self voting either ftr

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Lopen
10/22/22 1:15:23 AM
#225:


Kirby321 posted...
You, my friend, are scary in a 1v1. I was freaking out about you in the scum board on Day 4 and was like "YO WHY IS LOPEN SUDDENLY MAKING SENSE". ggs

I'm generally pretty bad till day 3 imo. There is a reason I used to get killed early here. Now people have forgotten I'm actually decent so I survive but yeah. With data on the table I can usually narrow the game down pretty well.

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MysteriousStan
10/22/22 1:18:23 AM
#226:


This ending reminds me of the glorious ending of SFIV Mafia where my scummate forced a No Lynch at final 3 leading to a scum victory.
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changmas
10/22/22 1:20:50 AM
#227:


Lopen posted...
So yeah that was cheap but the dramatic build up was to either psych Sultan into unvoting or psych scum into hammering so it worked.

I do think if we lynched Kirby we MAY have won. But yeah pretty unlikely.

I'm not above cheap tricks in any case.

it would come down to sultan and BCT agreeing to halt their feud and lynch me lol

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Kirby321
10/22/22 2:07:44 AM
#228:


If I got lynched, the plan would've been: kill Abacus -> mislynch BCT or Sultan -> win (alternatively, try to force a NL -> kill Lopen -> let BCT and Sultan duke it out -> win).

And Chang wouldn't have been seen by Ghost Belle due to his role making him immune to card effects (though it wouldn't have mattered since apparently everyone and their mothers made Ghost Belle target Chang lol)

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Lopen
10/22/22 3:00:27 AM
#229:


I think there is a slight possibility we successfully lynch Chang if we get you. I think we probably don't get you without that buffoonery tho since Sultan was on me. I don't compromise and lynch Sultan today though. It's you or me.

But like I don't think I humor BCT as a lynch and possibly me going that hard for your lynch gives me enough currency to not be lynched by Sultan. So if Sultan starts listening to me on BCT perhaps we figure it out. Maybe. I was really expecting Sultan unvoting thinking BCT could hammer was the result of the play there not Chang popping out of nowhere.

But tricks are easier.

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Lopen
10/22/22 3:26:18 AM
#230:


To be clear expected result was either

Sultan panic unvotes (Sultan feels more town)
BCT gets excited and hammers (didn't think BCT was scum at all but this would completely rule it out)

Far far distant 3 is Chang/Abacus hammer.

Side benefit is if I do the play I can maybe leverage us into voting Kirby. But yeah it was a fun game I'm glad everyone took it well.

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htaeD
10/22/22 3:57:27 AM
#231:


I cant believe scum fell for the oldest trick in the book after all the complexities of this game

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htaeD
10/22/22 4:04:06 AM
#232:


Well I am gonna post this anyway regardless
Scum Has Lost the Game

Chang was

the Eldlich, SCUM GOLD ROLECOP.
You want it all. All things shiny, all that glitters and is gold. You wear it on your skin, because underneath you are nothing but a dead decaying corpse.
But the undead do not want more, they want their prey to have less. Denying your opponent all their riches while you trample them with your own traps, sucking out their blood and life slowly; that is your strategy.
Spells? Handy in a pinch but largely unnecessary. Monster effects? You dont even have one of your own, so why not drain it all? Monsters themselves? They come in trap form now!
There will always be one trap your opponent cannot cope with, and you have collected them all. But it seems that among your treasury, some items were reclaimed. Those ungrateful living have banned two of your most priced cards!
Imperial Order and Vanity's Emptyness, they were added to the forbidden halls. But what do the dead care for rules? You wont let their decree stop you, you have your own. And you will keep taking what is theirs until the very last drop.
Once per night you may target one player and learn their role. You also cannot be affected by items.

Kirby was
the Swordsouls, SCUM GODFATHER.
There is no escape. No matter where they are, no matter how low their rank, no matter how much they take away from you. You will find them and you will beat them.
That is your nature, the nature of the Swordsoul. You want synchro monsters with raw destructive power that could kill a card beyond death? You got it! You want to negate your opponents every move? You can do it!
You do not want to just win, you want to crush your enemy! You want to leave behind a legacy of fear! To make sure they will surrender before you even make the first strike!
And you will not be stopped, even now that one of your key cards has been banned. Crystron Halqifibrax, the link monster every synchro deck wields, has been put on the forbidden list.
It was simply too omnipresent and too good at its job. That is why they banned it... And yes you could go on without it. But why would you? This change to the forbidden list was recent. Would anyone even know... if you broke one or two rules?
You scan as TOWN to any power out there. You win when town can no longer control the vote.

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htaeD
10/22/22 4:09:58 AM
#233:


Town has won!

Abacus was
the Dragonmaids, TOWN VANILLA
Ah the waifu deck. There is at least one in every generation. Demons from hell and mountain sized machines walk right alongside these ladies that look like they came right out of another anime.
In this case almost literally so. Because you were not the first man to have the brilliant idea to combine dragons with maids, but you did not let that stop you. The Dragonmaids are a battle intensive archetype that can freely switch between their maid and dragon forms for various effects. They can even fuse for greater power.
Their passage into the digital medium did not make them any less popular, there is a reason why one of them now has her own avatar that you can buy in the Master Duel shop. Just to tidy up your field. Pity that your most popular card gets more use in other decks.
You can only attack, you can only vote. You win with town.

BCT was
the Blue-Eyes Dragons, TOWN VANILLA
There is not a single duelist who does not know the name of the Blue-Eyes White Dragon, the once strongest monster that lurked in the main deck. Sure your 3000 attackpoints were soon matched by monsters with actual powers, but you are still the single most powerful vanilla in the game. Fortunately you are not alone. The Blue-Eyes deck features high defense with its synchro monsters, and high offense with its fusion and ritual monsters. Still, in the end you are nothing but a tool of destruction that only cares about doing as much damage as possible. You have no need for fancy powers and tricks.
You can only attack, you can only vote. You win with town.

HBtheBattle was
the Branded, TOWN COP
They went through so much trouble, through all these daily missions and events to gather their gems and build up their decks. Yet in the end where did it bring them? Back to you.
You were there before them, back when it all started. You could fuse any monster, even your opponents, into one of your great dragons, Fusion monsters. Branding the enemy as your own, that was your specialty.
You were the first in a long line of archetypes connected to a story that the real YGO game has yet to finish. But the next chapters in that story tried to usurp your place with their superior arsenal of Synchro and XYZ monsters. Because their power grew too much, they straddled the line between good and evil too often and stumbled over into the darkness. You did not, you stayed within limits.. and now, thanks to a timely new wave of support, it is your turn to shine again.
Once a night you can target one Duelist and scan their alignment. They will come back as SCUM or TOWN.
You win with town

Lopen was
the Monarchs, TOWN VANILLA.
The Monarchy keeps it simple. They only care about tribute summoning. They gather tributes and sacrifice them, that's what they do. It is the first form of advanced summoning and the most sacred. Special summoning? Sure they condone it. But not from the extra deck: the place where all those accursed Fusion, Synchro, XYZ and Link monsters live. The Monarchy shall not allow even one to cross into their realm. Sadly your realm is but a small one and one of ill repute. The many duelists who seek to displease you can and will simply walk around your domain to reach beyond into the diamond hall of fame, while you languish in the ranks below. You are not even invited to the many events that take place abroad, simply because you are too xenophobic to the themes of their contests. Still you tend to your own well, and you will always have a place in dueling history.
You can only attack, you can only vote. You win with town.

Sultan was
the Tribrigade, TOWN VANILLA
A combination of beastwarriors and beasts, two monster types that often went hand in hand and can claim a host of useful support cards. A union of XYZ-summoning and Link-summoning with immense and quick swarming capabilities that would make a Kuriboh blush. When you hit the scene in Master Duel you were the top dog from the very beginning and you easily cut your path towards Platinum rank. Alas, as is the way with YGO, what was once new became old and outdated pretty fast. Now you are but a shell of your former self, left behind by the new meta.
You can only attack, you can only vote. You win with town.

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htaeD
10/22/22 4:17:19 AM
#234:


And some host notes:
- The split was decks with banned cards and decks without them. Some flavors were more on the nose than others, especially Corriks. I dont think anyone knew enough about current day YGO to make that realization however.

- I regret ever adding Pot of Greed to the cardshop. What I wanted to be a joke item was taken too seriously. In hindsight I should have made it so that Pot of Greed made the user scan as scum instead of the target, since it was all a reference to how Pot of Greed has been banned since forever.

- Scum nearly didn't have an assassin, but I felt they could get overwhelmed too easily without one. I was worried I made them too strong at first, but I think they just had a ridiculously good start. (Poor Corrik too, his role was the one I wanted to see in action the most)

- In turn Peaf is the Town MVP for bamboozling scum twice in a row, but I also wanna give kudos for Han for his level head, HB for using his power well and Lopen for how he eventually approached the setup.

- I have no idea what Changmas did to escape notice so often, but he did it.

- The cardshop itself was a neat idea, but I dont think I will repeat it any time soon, Not unless I figure out a way for scum to be able to use it better without getting currency monitored. I also came to dislike revealing cards more and more. I think I should have revealed all cards from the start and just selected which ones were for sale.

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Kirby321
10/22/22 4:23:53 AM
#235:


Lopen posted...
To be clear expected result was either

Sultan panic unvotes (Sultan feels more town)
BCT gets excited and hammers (didn't think BCT was scum at all but this would completely rule it out)

Far far distant 3 is Chang/Abacus hammer.

Side benefit is if I do the play I can maybe leverage us into voting Kirby. But yeah it was a fun game I'm glad everyone took it well.

But like... Sultan likely wouldn't unvote you if he truly felt that you were scum. BCT had no reason to hammer you if he were town. And if we caught on to your bluff, Chang wouldn't have hammered you.

If everyone played optimally or otherwise true to their convictions, the likely result would have been that... nothing happened.

So... what exactly was the plan if no one hammered or unvoted you?

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htaeD
10/22/22 4:24:11 AM
#236:


Also self votes did count here, and I think that was made obvious by Ben and Poppy
But in hindsight I shouldn't have allowed it since it cost one survivor their gems.

I also cant help but wonder what would have happened if I'd been around to keep track of votals

Unvotes not being necessary is a new request for me. I havent heard much talk about that
Though at the very least everyone should have realized that I used them for this game at least, since I told Ben his unvote-less selfhammer didnt count

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ctesjbuvf
10/22/22 5:14:52 AM
#237:


Lol what, this was not how I expected the game to end. Chang probably deserved victory at this point.

I had actual personal reasons for lack of activity day 2 (mentioned somewhere in dead town chat) so I don't mind getting mislynched at all, but I will say that considering how much of the push was due to my lynch giving you the most information, most of you sure did nothing with that information, which was a bit frustrated at times.

I knew what I would flip, so I went back rereading end of day 1 with the knowledge that both SBell and I were town. What I got from that was that Ben, Poppy and Chang were scum and that Hb and Sultan were, all of which turned out to be correct. Han had also posted a few times that at least Poppy and Chang looked bad if I flipped town (maybe more, don't recall). Then day 3 begins and no one really goes back and looks at this and somehow Chang is never considered again, even before his claim.

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Corrik7
10/22/22 5:40:00 AM
#238:


Blundering Town beats competent Scum team with the oldest trick in the book. Lmfao.

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htaeD
10/22/22 6:31:37 AM
#239:


I guess to put it in YGO terms
An oldschool duelist managed to defeat the toptier modern player with a good old Mirror Force.

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Aecioo
10/22/22 7:06:20 AM
#240:


I have not been able to follow this game, too busy. Can someone post a tldr about the end?

Also in the future if you can post at the start of days the flips for the entire game it would be appreciated. I got lost early.

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ctesjbuvf
10/22/22 7:53:40 AM
#242:


Yeah Lopen, good job coming around in the end, might have been a bit harsh in dead town chat when you were confidentially off and didn't use the information from my lynch, but I was also right that town's hope was you coming around and you were getting there (and won the game I suppose, just not in a way I imagined).

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ctesjbuvf
10/22/22 7:58:43 AM
#243:


Also really thought your streak would end, Kirby.

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MZero
10/22/22 8:04:47 AM
#244:


Sorry guys by the time I noticed the game started I was way behind and pretty busy so I just replaced out. Good win town

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htaeD
10/22/22 8:07:49 AM
#245:


Yeah I didnt know how to deal with BCT since a modkill would end the game right there and then

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TheSultanOfSlam
10/22/22 8:12:19 AM
#246:


I probably done wirh mafia for a bit.

I played Terribly, I didn't have the time to play and still tried to

BCT I am sorry. I had a really off game and you didn't start to look some what towny to me until the last day that I why I was like you know what I'll wait

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TheSultanOfSlam
10/22/22 8:13:31 AM
#247:


I really wanted scum to think I was day cop and just kill me but that didn't happen

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Corrik7
10/22/22 8:39:46 AM
#248:


Mafia is back in retirement. See you all again in 5 years.

Like 5 people said they are done playing after this game.

This is why we don't let death host.

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Corrik7
10/22/22 8:40:07 AM
#249:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
I really wanted scum to think I was day cop and just kill me but that didn't happen
You were literally obviously town vanilla from page 1 of topic 1.

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htaeD
10/22/22 8:52:38 AM
#250:


Corrik7 posted...
Mafia is back in retirement. See you all again in 5 years.

Like 5 people said they are done playing after this game.

This is why we don't let death host.


You cant pin this on me copper

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