Poll of the Day > I don't want to hear any of you complain about Star Wars being bad ever again

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Andor is kicking every other Star Wars property in the fucking teeth and none of you are even watching it

Y'all absolutely deserved TLJ and Rise of Skywalker.

I'm not watching it expressly because everything post Lucas-sale has been flaming shit, minus Rogue One and most of the Mandalorian. It's not worth wading back into this quagmire, even if it does happen to be some semblance of good.

Andwhut now?

Disney fanfic is trash

Muscles posted...

Disney fanfic is trash

I bet you saw every one of their films in theatres though lol

at this point i've lost so much interest in the franchise that i can't even bring myself to care about anything that might actually be good.

Nade_Duck posted...

at this point i've lost so much interest in the franchise that i can't even bring myself to care about anything that might actually be good.

This. A large part of why no one is watching Andor is because Star Wars has been so shit.

After a certain point, it doesn't really matter if something becomes good again (or even fantastic), because you've already burned off so much good will and murdered every ounce of nostalgia or interest I ever had for it, to the point where I will never willingly invest time or energy into it again.

Doctor Who passed that point for me years ago in spite of a fandom that had spanned decades. And Marvel's pretty much at that point now with the MCU. Phase 5 could be the greatest series of films ever made, but after the tidal wave of mediocrity and outright shit that made up Phase 4, I will never watch any of those films.

After a certain point, the only thing that will ever get me paying attention to a franchise again is a total continuity reset (and even that won't help if the reboot itself is mostly trash).

Star Wars is dead. I prefer to let it rest in peace, and remember the three good movies and two good video games, while pretending none of the rest of it ever existed.



Besides the fact that Andor is going to be a hard pass for a lot of people, because we already know the fucker dies in Rogue One. At this point telling his backstory is mostly meaningless and less engaging. It's like how everyone complained that Marvel didn't bother putting out the Black Widow movie until after they'd already killed Natasha.

Sure, you could argue that "knowing what happens with Vader didn't ruin the prequels!", but you'd kind of be wrong because the prequels sucked.

Nade_Duck posted...

at this point i've lost so much interest in the franchise that i can't even bring myself to care about anything that might actually be good.

Pretty much this. My wife is a pretty big Star Wars nerd and it drives her nuts that I'm just so apathetic to it now. I think Phantom Menace was the last Star Wars thing I saw, and I don't mean saw in the theater, I mean at all.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

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Besides the fact that Andor is going to be a hard pass for a lot of people, because we already know the fucker dies in Rogue One. At this point telling his backstory is mostly meaningless and less engaging. It's like how everyone complained that Marvel didn't bother putting out the Black Widow movie until after they'd already killed Natasha.

Sure, you could argue that "knowing what happens with Vader didn't ruin the prequels!", but you'd kind of be wrong because the prequels sucked.

This is honestly one of my peeves about Star Wars in general. They keep slicing the same chunk of time up to tell stories and we all know where it ends. MOVE ON!

Im gonna cross a line here and say PO deserved Book of Boba Fett

Clone Wars is a slow burn but not bad, same with Rebels and Bad Batch. No real interest in Andor because I didnt care for Rogue One at all.

Im nervous for whats next in the main saga because Rise of Skywalker was just so stupid that it worked better in Lego format because of how absurd the plot was. And Im one of those folks who generally liked the new cast. Just a lot of squandering all around on that front.

Yeah, Im enjoying Andor quite a bit. Easily the best Star Wars content Ive seen in a while, and Ive watched all the live action stuff to date. People seem to think that a franchise cant fluctuate in quality and once theres a string of bad or subpar content its always going to be bad, so sucks for them to miss out on a great show.

Glad to hear youre enjoying it at least. None of the characters outside of the robot appealed to me in Rogue One so Im okay with missing out on this.

JigsawTDCII posted...

Yeah, Im enjoying Andor quite a bit. Easily the best Star Wars content Ive seen in a while, and Ive watched all the live action stuff to date. People seem to think that a franchise cant fluctuate in quality and once theres a string of bad or subpar content its always going to be bad, so sucks for them to miss out on a great show.

It isn't that I don't think content can get better, I just don't care if it does anymore. Its not like I was some super fan that decided to boycott it out of some sense of betrayal, it was just a thing I lost interest in.

Blightzkrieg posted...

I bet you saw every one of their films in theatres though lol

I gave up on the franchise after the abomination that is TLJ

havent gave a shit about star wars since the disney split made KotOR, Jedi Knight, and Shadows of the Empire non-canon

will continue to not give a shit for as long as disney holds the IP

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Sure, you could argue that "knowing what happens with Vader didn't ruin the prequels!", but you'd kind of be wrong because the prequels sucked.

But the prequels didn't suck because we know what happens with Vader. They sucked because of awful writing and directorial choices that got in the way of telling what was actually a really interesting story that did a lot to flesh out the universe and its history.

Knowing the end of a story doesn't have to make it less enjoyable. Seeing how everything gets to that point can still be very interesting if done competently.

agesboy posted...

havent gave a shit about star wars since the disney split made KotOR, Jedi Knight, and Shadows of the Empire non-canon

To be fair, Grand Admiral Thrawn is mentioned directly by name in The Mandalorian, basically indicating that Disney is quietly walking back that idea. Which makes sense, seeing as there's definitely "non-canon" stuff in SW that isn't total shit.

Not that I overly care anyways.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

To be fair, Grand Admiral Thrawn is mentioned directly by name in The Mandalorian, basically indicating that Disney is quietly walking back that idea. Which makes sense, seeing as there's definitely "non-canon" stuff in SW that isn't total shit.

Not that I overly care anyways.

Thrawn is actually in Star Wars Rebels, which is post Disney.

Blightzkrieg posted...

Andor is kicking every other Star Wars property in the f***ing teeth and none of you are even watching it

Yeah because the universe is now broken beyond repair. There's no point to watching these prequels knowing where all this shit is going and the character wasn't the slightest bit interesting in his movie anyway.

Blightzkrieg posted...

Y'all absolutely deserved TLJ and Rise of Skywalker.

You have it exactly backwards. Disney deserves us not watching the shows where they actually bother to try because of TLJ and Rise of Skywalker. You reap what you sew.

jiffdiff posted...

There's no point to watching these prequels knowing where all this s*** is going

That's kind of how prequels work. You know where things are going, but getting there is interesting enough to be worth telling.

jiffdiff posted...

the character wasn't the slightest bit interesting in his movie anyway.

Which doesn't mean a series about him can't rectify that.

What you're saying is a good reason to assume the series won't be very good and not bother checking it out unless you've given reason to believe otherwise. It's not, however, a good reason to doubt those that do believe otherwise.

adjl posted...

That's kind of how prequels work. You know where things are going, but getting there is interesting enough to be worth telling.

Yeah you missed my tone, I think. When what it's leading to is something that you have a fondness for an interest in it can be fun to go back. When the direction it's going is a steaming dog turd purposefully rubbed on something you once loved, then it becomes something detestable.

adjl posted...

Which doesn't mean a series about him can't rectify that.

Not a great hook for a series, though.
"Hey remember this guy who wasn't interesting in a movie we didn't need in a universe that's been ruined? Well we might actually try this time and get something halfway decent in a context-less vacuum. Come take a look."

pass. Lots other stuff in the backlog to watch instead. They're 5+ years too late on this one, Star Wars jumped the shark.

Too little, too late, fuck Disney

Blightzkrieg posted...

Im gonna cross a line here and say PO deserved Book of Boba Fett

If I did, the joke's on all of the rest of you, because I didn't watch it.



Shananagainz posted...

Glad to hear youre enjoying it at least. None of the characters outside of the robot appealed to me in Rogue One so Im okay with missing out on this.

The funny thing about Rogue One is that my main takeaway from it was "This would have worked much better as a TV show". It has interesting character archetypes, but it's hard to care about any of them because you're not given enough time to get invested in them before they're all killed off. It's way too rushed, and telling a story with a more or less inevitable ending. It feels like a ton of potential that winds up being completely wasted - spreading it out over a longer series with a slower build-up probably would have benefited it much better.

But now I've seen Rogue One, so doing a TV show like that now, based on just one of those characters, feels pointless. The potential has been wasted, the opportunity is now lost. Short of completely retconning the movie and doing the entire story over again from scratch (and changing the ending so they survive and go on more adventures together), I don't really see any value coming out of it. It's just an attempt to callously milk views out of some of the only New Star Wars era characters that people don't hate, to fuel streaming service subscriptions. No art, only artifice.

And even if I did still find the story and the characters interesting enough to tell more stories with, streaming services are kind of a terrible platform to tell stories anyway (or at least Disney+ demonstrably is). Especially on Disney+, it seems like all the shows are front-loaded and just kind of bad, because all they really need is a strong first couple episodes and a trailer to lure naive people into paying for the service to see it. But once they have your eyes on the product (and your money), they no longer really need to waste effort on making the show worthwhile. They just invest all that time, money, and effort on the next Big Thing to keep people invested.

It's a business model that is terrible for telling worthwhile stories. And a large part of why I refuse to engage with any of them.

adjl posted...

But the prequels didn't suck because we know what happens with Vader. They sucked because of awful writing and directorial choices that got in the way of telling what was actually a really interesting story that did a lot to flesh out the universe and its history.

Knowing the end of a story doesn't have to make it less enjoyable. Seeing how everything gets to that point can still be very interesting if done competently.

Yeah, but a large part of the awful writing and directorial choices are directly caused because of the prequel nature of the story.

Prequels with predetermined endings are much harder to write than normal stories. To tell a satisfying story with an ending that is never in doubt, you basically have to make the journey more interesting than the destination. And that can often be harder than just building up to a strong conclusion. And because it's harder to do well, that type of story tends to have a much higher likelihood of being bad. Especially if the writer leans more into exploiting nostalgia and love for the franchise than actively telling a strong story on their own.

If the people in charge of Star Wars have yet to show me that they can tell an effective stand-alone story, I'm definitely not going to trust them to be able to tell an effective prequel story well.

The framing of Andor as "prequel to Rogue One" is super weird to me. Like yeah, it's technically true, but it's not really what the narrative is about. Every single character except one is a new character, and Rogue One (infamously) was an ensemble with a huge cast, the characters were pretty one note. The main narrative and character arcs are not tied to Rogue One.

That's mostly Disney's fault, because they deliberately chose to market the show as "ANDOR from the creators of ROGUE ONE", when it should have been called something more generic like "Rebellion". But I don't think your enjoyment of Andor will be affected by Rogue One at all. They're not tied together other than by one character.

seems similar to giving fili a random love interest in the sam jackson hobbit trilogy. like.. i get it, i guess. it's supposed to give you an emotional attachment before the character gets killed off,, but in the same way that did, it just feels disingenuine, tacked on, and pointless.

difference being while the hobbit thing was mostly dumb for being insulting to tolkein, this is just dumb for being yet another pointless and unnecessary show among 5 million others made solely for money. yeah i guess the hobbit had that going for it in a way too, but disney is just so insultingly in your face and gross about it.

idk fuck disney star warts

Yeah, screw everything Disney inflicts on STar Wars.

Honestly I cant tell if all the praise Andor gets is facetious or not. I really dont see whats so great about it.

To me, it feels like its Star Wars for people who dont like Star Wars or are looking for something Dark and Edgy

So far, Ive found nothing really compelling about it. And, my god, the pacing is awful too. And not in like a fun way where nothing happens but at least theres fun characters and great moments. You could take everything that happened in the first five episodes and condense it down to an hour.

The boner that people get for this and Rogue One is completely baffling to me.

In b4 insults about my taste

Blightzkrieg posted...

Andor is kicking every other Star Wars property in the fucking teeth and none of you are even watching it

Y'all absolutely deserved TLJ and Rise of Skywalker.

It's based on a side character who died and no one cares about.

It would have to be fucking groundbreaking to even be watchable for the majority of people at this point, and everything I'm seeing says it isn't.

rexcrk posted...

To me, it feels like its Star Wars for people who dont like Star Wars or are looking for something Dark and Edgy

So just like nuTrek then.