Board 8 > YGO Master Duel Mafia Topic 1 - Ah yes the worst element: Rookie.

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BlueCrystalTear
10/11/22 12:39:27 AM
#151:


PoppyTheNinja posted...
so i'm assuming you think he's scummy because he suspects you, then
Suspects me just for breathing. If you can't articulate why you suspect somebody, you're scum. I was trying to evidence my point, nothing more. I'm known for doing that.

HanOfTheNekos posted...
If you don't keep posting, you won't make it to day 2.
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BlueCrystalTear
10/11/22 12:39:37 AM
#152:


k thx bye

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PoppyTheNinja
10/11/22 12:39:41 AM
#153:


##Unvote: Sbell

##Vote: red13n

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PunishedBen
10/11/22 12:41:59 AM
#154:


Kirby321 posted...
Perhaps "lead" wasn't the right word. What I meant was that Sultan was the only player I had somewhat of a read on.

... Maybe the correct word was "read" >_>
Ah, alright gotcha

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PoppyTheNinja
10/11/22 12:42:44 AM
#155:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
Suspects me just for breathing. If you can't articulate why you suspect somebody, you're scum. I was trying to evidence my point, nothing more. I'm known for doing that.

##vote: Han
i think you're overreacting

in the early game a lot of people are going to throw around suspicion and make accusations based on very little it's part of what gets the ball rolling, someone accusing you early doesn't mean it's a call to eliminate you or anything and you shouldn't let it get to you so much

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PunishedBen
10/11/22 12:43:56 AM
#156:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
I'm still here. Sorry, was watching a movie off THE LIST. This will happen a few more times.

Anyway, I don't have any strong inclinations at this point, though I'm leaning Sultan as town (still don't know what was actually horrible about my self-deprecating post). Ctes was putting pressure on Sultan to presumably out him as town, Lopen does make a good point that Ctes dropped questioning Sultan far too quickly, but I'll wait and see what Ctes says to that when he wakes up. I presume this is why Hangut is pointing in that direction.

Also ##unvote
That seems like a bit of a jump. What about his pressure on Sultan makes you presume he's town?


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PunishedBen
10/11/22 12:45:51 AM
#157:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
The problem is things you're saying come across as trying to make things up to sound town instead of legitimate thoughts.

Like this:
Ninjad

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PoppyTheNinja
10/11/22 12:46:26 AM
#158:


head says the emotional response to light pressure is realistically NAI but heart wants to say frustrated townie

better to just leave him to his own devices atp rather than picking on him

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PoppyTheNinja
10/11/22 12:52:01 AM
#159:


was expecting the game to start faster than it has i'm already bored

gnight, be good to each other

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HanOfTheNekos
10/11/22 1:00:12 AM
#160:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
Suspects me just for breathing. If you can't articulate why you suspect somebody, you're scum. I was trying to evidence my point, nothing more. I'm known for doing that.

##vote: Han

I was your number one defender in the game you got replaced by Plum. If you're being honest right now, then why aren't you recalling that? Saying I suspect you just for breathing? That's literal fantasy. You're making stuff up.


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red13n
10/11/22 1:02:30 AM
#161:


There is an above normal chance Han is scum here. We'll see.

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HanOfTheNekos
10/11/22 1:06:15 AM
#162:


red13n posted...
There is an above normal chance Han is scum here. We'll see.

That's actually mathematically impossible.

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red13n
10/11/22 1:07:12 AM
#163:


I appreciate deferring to math.

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HanOfTheNekos
10/11/22 1:08:22 AM
#164:


0% can't be higher than the normal chance.

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Lopen
10/11/22 1:25:14 AM
#165:


Han you think red is scum?

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Kirby321
10/11/22 1:36:50 AM
#166:


PoppyTheNinja posted...
head says the emotional response to light pressure is realistically NAI but heart wants to say frustrated townie

better to just leave him to his own devices atp rather than picking on him

What does NAI mean?

That being said, I think you're rather quick to jump to conclusions. I don't necessarily agree with Han's train of thought on BCT, but it's worth pursuing just to see what happens.

I can't recall enough games with BCT to remember whether his defensive behavior like this is the norm for his playstyle or not. I definitely remember this defensiveness from Nickelodeon Mafia, where he was scum. I don't quite remember his Baseball Musical Mafia behavior, though, if anyone has any data on that. Either way, it's worth testing the consistency of this pattern just to see if it holds up.

On another note, Poppy, Corrik, would you two mind explaining your votes?

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red13n
10/11/22 1:47:57 AM
#167:


Not alignment indicative.

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red13n
10/11/22 1:48:34 AM
#168:


Lopen posted...
Han you think red is scum?

Why are we asking a question that always has the same answer

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Kirby321
10/11/22 1:57:29 AM
#169:


Because Lopen is scum.

Obviously

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Lopen
10/11/22 1:59:05 AM
#170:


red13n posted...
Why are we asking a question that always has the same answer

Does it? I feel like that's incorrect.

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Corrik7
10/11/22 2:16:18 AM
#171:


Kirby321 posted...
On another note, Poppy, Corrik, would you two mind explaining your votes?
No thank you. Thanks for the invitation to do so though. I will remember this kind request in the future.

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Kirby321
10/11/22 2:19:24 AM
#172:


You know what

It just occurred to me that Ben tried pulling this crap of completely misinterpreting one of my posts back in Simple Mafia and trying to accuse me of contradicting myself. It brushed me the wrong way at the time, but I didn't do anything about it because I thought it was a genuine mistake. And then he ended up flipping scum to my surprise.

Now, I'm getting deja vu from Ben's attempt to make me look bad this game. Feels very much like a repeat tactic from Simple Mafia, but unlike back then, I'm not letting you go that easily this time around!

##Vote: Ben

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Kirby321
10/11/22 2:22:13 AM
#173:


Corrik7 posted...
No thank you. Thanks for the invitation to do so though. I will remember this kind request in the future.

I expected as much :P
Play the lone wolf if it so pleases you

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Lopen
10/11/22 2:39:32 AM
#174:


Kirby321 posted...
I don't necessarily agree with Han's train of thought on BCT, but it's worth pursuing just to see what happens.

Can you explain Han's train of thought on BCT and what you do and don't agree with?

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htaeD
10/11/22 3:20:52 AM
#175:


Good morning Votals:
[3] ctes - Han, Lopen, IGCD
[1] SBell - (IGCD), Red, (Poppy)
[1] Ben - (Lopen), (BCT), Kirby
[1] Poppy - Corrik
[1] Han - BCT
[1] Red - Poppy
[0] Sultan - (Lopen)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends at 7 PM EST Wednesday, October 12th.

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red13n
10/11/22 4:32:02 AM
#176:


Kirby321 posted...
You know what

It just occurred to me that Ben tried pulling this crap of completely misinterpreting one of my posts back in Simple Mafia and trying to accuse me of contradicting myself. It brushed me the wrong way at the time, but I didn't do anything about it because I thought it was a genuine mistake. And then he ended up flipping scum to my surprise.

Now, I'm getting deja vu from Ben's attempt to make me look bad this game. Feels very much like a repeat tactic from Simple Mafia, but unlike back then, I'm not letting you go that easily this time around!

Probably a null tell for him, honestly.

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Obellisk
10/11/22 6:12:41 AM
#177:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
I have done nothing even remotely scummy

you don't really get to be the judge of that.

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HanOfTheNekos
10/11/22 7:48:31 AM
#178:


Lopen posted...
Han you think red is scum?
Not particularly.

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HanOfTheNekos
10/11/22 7:54:26 AM
#179:


Lopen posted...
Does it? I feel like that's incorrect.

It is incorrect, yes. Red is referring to me saying he's always a good lynch, which, since mafia picked back up with Chris's experimental mafia where we were scum together, has been true in every single game except for 1.

Me thinking Red is always a good lynch is not directly related to whether I think he's scum or not.

But right now he strikes me more Townish.

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BlueCrystalTear
10/11/22 8:08:03 AM
#180:


PoppyTheNinja posted...
i think you're overreacting

in the early game a lot of people are going to throw around suspicion and make accusations based on very little it's part of what gets the ball rolling, someone accusing you early doesn't mean it's a call to eliminate you or anything and you shouldn't let it get to you so much
If I'm overreacting, then it's too an overreaction. I got called scum outright. That's an overreaction in and off itself. But... maybe I'm reading into that differently? IDK... but I'd never jump to such a conclusion that quickly. Big difference between pressure and accusation.

PunishedBen posted...
That seems like a bit of a jump. What about his pressure on Sultan makes you presume he's town?
Isn't he in your Book of Town? Why are you asking me this when you believe he's town for much the same reasons I do?

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BlueCrystalTear
10/11/22 8:09:26 AM
#181:


Also I won't be here during the day today since I'll be out in the sticks without cell service, so if I don't reply to anything in a timely manner, that's why.

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ctesjbuvf
10/11/22 8:14:07 AM
#182:


Why are you acting like I was that hard on Sultan to begin with? I said his first post made me pause because it felt forced and that the second one made no sense. I didn't vote for him and just wanted to hear what he had to say about that. You're also acting like I went back out of nowhere when I spoke with Sultan for a couple of posts about it.

Lopen posted...
Ctes: I suspect Sultan because A
Lopen: I suspect Sultan because B
Ben: But Lopen, not B!!
Ctes: Good point, Ben, I no longer suspect Sultan.

This compeltely ignores my conversation with Sultan about A.

Lopen posted...
Like how do you jump to this so easily? And why does what Ben said even matter when he's addressing my point against Sultan, not yours?

You jumped on him more easily. And of course it matters, should I just ignore decent points because one post felt forced to me?


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Corrik7
10/11/22 8:17:03 AM
#183:


Force Chang, Kirby, or Poppy to claim please. Thanks.

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Obellisk
10/11/22 8:17:20 AM
#184:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
but I'd never jump to such a conclusion that quickly.

BlueCrystalTear posted...
you are starting to ping my radar.


BlueCrystalTear posted...
##vote: Han


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ctesjbuvf
10/11/22 8:21:16 AM
#185:


Han beginning the game by suspecting me wrongly is not a first. IGCD sheeping that is also not a first. Last time it happened IGCD was scum, worth noting, but also IGCD usually would rather sheep good players than think for himself.

HanOfTheNekos posted...
I like that Ctes said Sultan made a post for the sake of making a post, and yet that's literally what Ctes did himself to start the game.

The post had the point of giving the friendly reminder that I'm not in the same timezone as most, but had nothing to do with the actual came yeah. The difference is that Sultan came in and threw suspecion at someone with pretty weak reasoning.


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TheSultanOfSlam
10/11/22 8:25:00 AM
#186:


Anyone but you huh BCT?

The more you post the more I think you're trying to dodge bullets than scum hunt.

You said you won't be here but I want more thoughts in your plum vote since he is your top read.

For now though idk man

##vote:BCT

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TheSultanOfSlam
10/11/22 8:29:18 AM
#187:


ctesjbuvf posted...
The post had the point of giving the friendly reminder that I'm not in the same timezone as most, but had nothing to do with the actual came yeah. The difference is that Sultan came in and threw suspecion at someone with pretty weak reasoning

Is it weak when I'm pretty sure he is scum playing the anyone but me card?

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BlueCrystalTear
10/11/22 8:33:46 AM
#188:


Maybe you're not town after all, Sultan, because you're definitely harming the cause.

I don't have enough information nor experience to scum hunt with only four pages. I'm also very busy today and need to start getting ready now...

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ctesjbuvf
10/11/22 8:33:53 AM
#189:


I was just talking about the first post again. Did you feel he was playing the anyone but me card in that?

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BlueCrystalTear
10/11/22 8:34:46 AM
#190:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
You said you won't be here but I want more thoughts in your plum vote since he is your top read.
Plum isn't playing.


##unvote
##vote: Sultan

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BlueCrystalTear
10/11/22 8:36:16 AM
#191:


ctesjbuvf posted...
I was just talking about the first post again. Did you feel he was playing the anyone but me card in that?
And I was just making a joke. Geez. Don't read oni it too much. I'm town and I'd rather not get myself lynched day one again.

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TheSultanOfSlam
10/11/22 8:41:57 AM
#192:


Han vote.... how did that even happen plum and Han are not even remotely similar

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BlueCrystalTear
10/11/22 8:42:54 AM
#193:


And I am scum hunting. I just caught someone throwing out random names not realizing who is on the player list. Someone who only knows who his scum buddies are and doesn't care who the lynch is. That would explain him reverting back to this first, completely inane conclusion. He's pivoting too much.

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TheSultanOfSlam
10/11/22 8:43:01 AM
#194:


Don't post and drive kids. That will cause weird things to happen.

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Obellisk
10/11/22 8:45:35 AM
#195:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
I don't have enough information nor experience to scum hunt with only four pages


BlueCrystalTear posted...
I am scum hunting


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TheSultanOfSlam
10/11/22 8:46:33 AM
#196:


ctesjbuvf posted...
I was just talking about the first post again. Did you feel he was playing the anyone but me card in that?

Yes first post of the game asking if people suspect him?? Like doesn't that kinda scream like look at anyone else but me please than majority of everything else BCT is doing is self preservation.

I'll admit i was poking fun at BCT at first but even this counter vote isn't sitting well with me

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TheSultanOfSlam
10/11/22 8:48:02 AM
#197:


Also BCT what didn't you like about HAN! I'll ask with the correct name this time now that I am not driving

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PunishedBen
10/11/22 8:48:51 AM
#198:


Kirby321 posted...
You know what

It just occurred to me that Ben tried pulling this crap of completely misinterpreting one of my posts back in Simple Mafia and trying to accuse me of contradicting myself. It brushed me the wrong way at the time, but I didn't do anything about it because I thought it was a genuine mistake. And then he ended up flipping scum to my surprise.

Now, I'm getting deja vu from Ben's attempt to make me look bad this game. Feels very much like a repeat tactic from Simple Mafia, but unlike back then, I'm not letting you go that easily this time around!

##Vote: Ben
Bro you typoed. No Leads makes me think something entirely different from No Reads. But once you explained that I get it.

You're probably town for this level of paranoia and PTSD at least

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PunishedBen
10/11/22 8:50:22 AM
#199:


BlueCrystalTear posted...


Isn't he in your Book of Town? Why are you asking me this when you believe he's town for much the same reasons I do?
I thought we were talking about Ctes. You said you presume ctes is town


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Obellisk
10/11/22 8:53:34 AM
#200:


Sultan, BCTs first post was garbage for so many reasons. If scum or town, it's just a bad way to walk into a game. He's still green.

Your post, highlighting his "jokiness" inside and outside of Mafia is fine, except then you chastise him for doing it as a first post. Why did you acknowledge that this is the type of person he is, in your opinion, and then attack him for being that person? Did you feel like making that joke post was indicative of Scumplay from BCT? If not, then what purpose did it serve?

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