Poll of the Day > 2nd Amendment

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Except that most of the people that have armed themselves to take advantage of the second amendment are the same people voting in the most totalitarian governments because they like the idea of a fascist theocracy.

It's the one thing that keeps America from becoming a total totalitarian state because most of the citizenry is armed to the teeth.

If Americans weren't allowed to own guns, the country would have reached 3rd world status faster than it already has.

Nope, I hate guns.

Even Switzerland has more strict gun laws, contrary to lazy attempts at comparison by the US right.

Anyone looking in from the outside, can see the gun culture is a large part of your problems.
The "sanctity" of the constitution and the amendments is also problematic, both could really use a modern update. (Being the second oldest constitution in the world is no excuse to just leave it as is)

We haven't left it as is? There have been 17 amendments post-bill of rights. That's literally the process for updating it.

It's the one thing that keeps America from becoming a total totalitarian state because most of the citizenry is armed to the teeth.

If Americans weren't allowed to own guns, the country would have reached 3rd world status faster than it already has.

Separate gun and ammo safes and if anyone can open them but you, the license is revoked.

It's the one thing that keeps America from becoming a total totalitarian state because most of the citizenry is armed to the teeth.

The existence of other countries is the counter-argument to this.

Anyone looking in from the outside, can see the gun culture is a large part of your problems.

but whatever standards are established have to recognize that it's simply not realistic to expect consumer-grade products to keep out every determined, competent thief.

Or any grasp of actual realistic solutions to most of our problems.

It's easier to push mass transit solutions over individual car ownership in smaller European nations than it is in a nation with massive sprawling landscapes and spread out populations.

The idea is that only the license holder has the code to the safe. The police do routine check ups here and if someone else opens the safe for them during the check up, the license is revoked.

I am allowed to point out a problem (where I see one) without being immediately required to offer a solution for said problem.

As much as this is an easy excuse to fall back on, many of the European cities with functional transit and active transport infrastructure have very comparable population densities to many North American cities.

Yes, but when you are pointing out a problem and implying what the actual root of the problem is (which is 100% what you're doing), it helps to actually have some idea of what you're actually talking about.

It's the one thing that keeps America from becoming a total totalitarian state because most of the citizenry is armed to the teeth.

If Americans weren't allowed to own guns, the country would have reached 3rd world status faster than it already has.

Which is sort of the point. The solutions might work in cities, but there's a hell of a lot of the US that isn't city. Certainly more so than is the case in Europe. So unless you intend to force everyone into the US into metropolitan areas at gunpoint, those sorts of solutions will always be less effective here than elsewhere.

Part of the problem is that US infrastructure (and multiple facets of our society and culture) grew up at the same time cars did, so cars are so integrated into our infrastructure at a deep level that you'd basically have to social engineer and deconstruct dozens of different and seemingly unrelated aspects of our lifestyle to undo it. Not just streets or transport or delivery, but things like the literal concept of dating and our shopping preferences.

The guns aren't stopping them

if you think its getting that bad its as you said, they have the guns. the left are the ones sitting in the corner twiddling their thumbs, screeching to the high heavens in hopes that brings some form of change. thats not the way the world works most of the time. the right are going to protests heavily armed which DOES influence decisions. if more people on the left did so, especially more minority communities it shows they arnt the pussified party to allow their country to slip into that totalitarian mindset maybe youd see something serious happen.

It's the one thing that keeps America from becoming a total totalitarian state because most of the citizenry is armed to the teeth.

The existence of other countries is the counter-argument to this.

"But everyone has a gun there!"

Which they are permitted to have only after undergoing extensive training with it, and it's subject to very strict storage and usage regulations to minimize the risk of misuse. Almost... exactly like people are calling for in the US? What a crazy random happenstance.

Realistically speaking, based on every time I've seen a European online talking about "what America is like", there's a pretty strong likelihood that most people looking in from the outside have no fucking idea what our gun culture actually is.

Or any of our socioeconomic culture in general.

Or any grasp of actual realistic solutions to most of our problems.

It's basically the flip-side of Americans who couldn't find Africa on a map but still feel fully capable of voicing their opinions on global geopolitics.

Absolutely.

"Gun culture" is not the issue. I've said this over and over again, the "violence solves problems culture" is the issue but since the American economy/government has been using warmongering for profit for almost a century, it's embedded in society.

Guns are fun but only in vidya games

The amendment is not the problem; the failure to properly understand, interpret, and apply it is.

ya, a lot of people don't realize that it was meant so that civilians would have a few steps of firearm training prior to being conscripted to help save time during drafting and training.

The US should just follow the ammendment exactly as laid out, and no further.

You don't get concealed or open carry permits, you don't have a use for it in general life. If you are transporting a gun, it must be for the purpose of militia necessities i.e. training or storage. No hunting, no self-defense laws, no laws to shoot trespassers, no entertainment use. You are allowed guns so that you may have a well-trained militia, if it cannot be proven to be for precisely that purpose then it should be expressly illegal.

Lol.