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I hope they do that with the lame duck shit the Wisconsin GOP did right before Evers was sworn in.

And itll just end up in front of the SC who will say actually what the Michigan legislature did was fine

Seanchan posted...

And itll just end up in front of the SC who will say actually what the Michigan legislature did was fine

You know the Supreme Court sucks but sometimes the gop just does even crazier shit lol

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1549827184344416257?s=20&t=1prO40uHL2t8jWQQzb8A2w

https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/1549808364640542720?s=20&t=1prO40uHL2t8jWQQzb8A2w

Oh this would be excellent. Plenty of Republicans in the senate while villainous don't want outright fascism so neat

Well, the Tory leadership contest is officially down to Sunak vs Truss in the final round. This means that Truss is most likely to win as shes fairly popular with regular Tory members while they really, really hate Sunak, and shes polling nearly 20 points clear of him.

lol

For those who are unfamiliar with Liz Truss:

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1549396990051639296?cxt=HHwWgICzgc-WyIArAAAA

The good news is while both of them would likely lose an election badly to Labour, Truss might actually get them their worst ever result.

They're going to regret dumping Boris.

Well, Boris is the one who got them into this mess in the first place. Not just by governing terribly but also by purging nearly everybody competent back in 2019 thus ensuring that whoever followed him was a no-hoper. He has done significant damage to the Tory party and Im happy to see it.

LightningStrikes posted...

The good news is while both of them would likely lose an election badly to Labour, Truss might actually get them their worst ever result.

Do you really think Labour will win in '24? It'll be hard unless they take back a lot of Scotland and Sturgeon isn't letting up on Independence. I'm extremely pessimistic tbh.

XIII_rocks posted...

Do you really think Labour will win in '24? It'll be hard unless they take back a lot of Scotland and Sturgeon isn't letting up on Independence. I'm extremely pessimistic tbh.

A coalition Labour government is best-case (realistic) scenario, for me. Electoral reform should be a guarantee if they're with the Lib Dems, independence referendum if they need the SNP. If those aren't the on the cards I'd at least hope they need to pick up a few backers from Plaid or even the Green (most likely singular but there's always hope) if they're only a few seats short. Would be nice to have some long-term changes which are actually leveraged, however small.

HeroicCrono posted...

They're going to regret dumping Boris.

More like they already regret ever letting him become their top candidate.

He got Brexit done and won an election decisively. That makes him the most effective Tory leader since Margaret Thatcher.

LightningStrikes posted...

The good news is while both of them would likely lose an election badly to Labour, Truss might actually get them their worst ever result.

believe it when I see it lmao

red_sox_777 posted...

He got Brexit done and won an election decisively. That makes him the most effective Tory leader since Margaret Thatcher.

Except brexit is still not done because its still being negotiated and they havent even implemented import checks. He was widely seen as a huge liability in that election and it was won despite him, not because of him. Then there was his actual tenure where he went back on almost all his manifesto commitments, got 200k people killed by covid, trashed the economy and had a government paralysed by scandal after scandal. He was without a doubt one of the least effective and competent PMs in living memory. I know that its red sox but stanning Johnson seems like a bridge too far. In a few months will you be saying I dunno guys, that Bolsonaro fellow got stuff done?

Anyway, Labour can definitely win without Scotland. Tactical voting could devastate the Tories in England and they have pissed off everyone. Former industrial towns in the north and midlands hate them, wealthy commuter areas in the south hate them, even the farmers hate them. It seems like theyve fluffed it. Of course, when it seems that way they knife their leader and claim its a fresh start so hopefully people wont fall for that again.

Id rather Lab/Lib for electoral reform though.

I mean, the UK is formally out of the European Union. That's a pretty big thing. Do you really think David Cameron, Theresa May, or John Major accomplished more than that? And I get that many people think it was a negative, not a positive, but it's a momentous change either way.

red_sox_777 posted...

He ... won an election decisively. That makes him the most effective Tory leader since Margaret Thatcher.

And how have they done in elections since then?

Cameron was in power when Brexit was voted on and caused the referendum. May was in power when Article 50 was invoked. Johnson came in after years of negotiations and forced it over the line, and he did this by accepting bad or incomplete deals by taking advantage of a nation that was sick of the whole thing.

Deliberately looking at the situation in its simplest possibile terms is very dumb.

Weren't Cameron and May both remainers? If they were Brexiteers then of course Cameron would get most credit but he actively campaigned against it.

Cameron was the one who stupidly called a vote on it, though

It wouldn't have happened without him!

Who was prime Minister when they entered the EU?

That would certainly as big or a bigger change than Brexit.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/20/politics/trump-january-7-outtakes-message-supporters-house-hearing/index.html

1/6 committee will be showing the blooper reel from Trump trying to tape a message about 1/6 to his supporters tonight.

Yes it must be emphasised, the vote was (stupidly) arranged by Cameron, then it was May who began the process of leaving, set the timetable to leave completed the exit negotiations. Johnson just came in, went with an even less popular version of Mays backstop, held an election at the right time to get if over the line and is leaving large parts of the deal to be implemented by whoevers next while taking all the credit.

I lived in London while he was mayor. When they brought in the rentable bicycles, they were called Boris bikes. Except, they were actually a Ken Livingstone (the mayor before him) policy that Boris took the credit for, this is just what he does. None of the work, all of the credit, thats the Boris Johnson way.

Maniac64 posted...

Who was prime Minister when they entered the EU?

That would certainly as big or a bigger change than Brexit.

Ted Heath or John Major depending on how you define it.

Brandon has Covid

Eh if Orange Obese Hitler can survive it Biden should be fine at least

How did Biden get Covid? He told us that we all beat it on July 4th.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

How did Biden get Covid? He told us that we all beat it on July 4th.

F tier take

I think it's fair to take the piss on that when Biden has been trying to downplay Covid for a while now.

I may be confused but unless I missed it he doesn't deny it exists merely that the vaccine has been widely successful.

All but eight GOP Reps vote against codifying the right to use contraceptives:

https://twitter.com/billpascrell/status/1550146164217061377?s=21

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1550147707431534597

House votes 228-195-2 (Present) on guaranteeing the right to contraceptives.

Dems: 220-0
GOP: 8-195-2 (+6 not voting)

Edit: oh beaten while I looked up the roll call for the exact breakdowns.

Its honestly kinda shocking to me after so many of them voted for same-sex marriage given how absolutely insane the idea of wanting to ban contraception is (and I would have to imagine it would be absolutely toxic politics)

Yeah, I'm a bit surprised the number cratered to basically the single digit caucus of "Cheney, Kinzinger, and the handful of purple seat reps that actually pretend to be moderate" when they managed to find like 40 for marriage equality. I'd have thought that'd be about the floor.

Like I'm trying to think of a better way to get millions of people who don't care about politics to suddenly start voting against the GOP than the Supreme Court suddenly deciding one day that they don't have the right to minimize their chances of having unplanned pregnancies, and I'm coming up empty. Seems like it would be in Republicans' best interest to take that possibility off of the table!

As if the GOP strategy has anything whatsoever to do with getting votes anymore lol

KBJ's first vote in a case at SCOTUS... a 5-4 (Liberals + Barrett are the 4)

https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1550228874423844865

Kenri posted...

As if the GOP strategy has anything whatsoever to do with getting votes anymore lol

Mostly because they want to abandon the whole pretense of elections.

1/6 Committee is live now (well 10 minute recess right now). Cheney saying there will be more hearings after the recess in September, more witnesses are coming forward.

We've got Pence's Secret Service Detail fearing for their lives:
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1550285004361666560

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/1/0/AAGQPmAADeom.jpg
I dont know if this is real, but its very believable lmao

This seemed pretty out of place in the hearing, but lmao

https://twitter.com/the_mal_gallery/status/1550289866411634689?s=21

LordoftheMorons posted...

This seemed pretty out of place in the hearing, but lmao

worth it to just dunk on him

be running up that road
be running up that hill
be running up that building

And here are the outtakes.

"I don't want to say 'the election is over.'"
(Less important but "this is your king?") "Yesterday is a hard word for me."

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1550304896750129152

the fuck is this galaxy brain shit?

https://twitter.com/OpenSecretsDC/status/1549810704278032385

my problems here:

1) I don't believe this will work
2) Even if it does work, funding the far-right seems like it could backfire later
3) This is like...the most cynical, morally bankrupt use of campaign money I can imagine lmao

Yeah boosting the nutjobs seems especially insane after Trump

Yeah its really bad and will definitely back fire in at least one race.

Step 1: Boost the craziest Republicans.

Step 2: Aforementioned crazy Republicans take over the government.

Step 3: They do a terrible job and make life worse for everyone.

Step 4: The Democrats can use this failure to retake power. (Though with fewer Senate seats, as they continue writing off more states as "uncompetitive".)

It's a foolproof plan, people. Is there a better way to get Democrats elected?

I don't imagine it can backfire, because that would assume there are "good" republican candidates and I simply do not believe that. There's no difference.

I also don't think this will work and is a waste of money, fwiw. I just don't think there is a risk of backfire.

Suprak_the_Stud posted...

I don't imagine it can backfire, because that would assume there are "good" republican candidates and I simply do not believe that. There's no difference.

I also don't think this will work and is a waste of money, fwiw. I just don't think there is a risk of backfire.

There are bad Republicans, and there are worse Republicans. The backfire is that if you pay to make the worse ones louder and more popular, you're just...actively making your opponents more dangerous. Even if they lose you have to deal with them eventually, they don't just disappear, they'll have a better chance of remaining active in politics.

Cory Booker has introduced legislation to end the federal ban on marijuana and expunge convictions. House has already passed this (twice) but this is the first time the Senate is doing something since afaik.

cory booker please make me feel happy to have voted for you for once

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

There are bad Republicans, and there are worse Republicans. The backfire is that if you pay to make the worse ones louder and more popular, you're just...actively making your opponents more dangerous. Even if they lose you have to deal with them eventually, they don't just disappear, they'll have a better chance of remaining active in politics.

No there aren't. There are nothing but worse Republicans. Unless you're a centrist, there are no longer "better" Republicans. They all want the same thing so who cares if some are more direct than others.