Board 8 > Star Wars and Pokemon Mafia Topic 7 - The Mafia Strikes Back

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Leafeon13N posted...

Parts of hbs scan that he hadn't revealed, that is.

is there a power that would give someone the exact results of a targets scan?

just spitballing here.

Obellisk posted...

it... doesn't really.

Who claimed first again amd how do we "know" their results were identical?

Town having two flavor scanners both on pokemon night and both scanning ulti at the same time is unlikely.

Hb claimed first, but Arti provided his scan first (specifically, "Mewtwo, the Genetic Pokmon", not just "Mewtwo" as Ulti claimed) which Hb later corroborated.

But I agree that two Town flavor cops scanning Ulti seems unlikely, especially with enigmas like me or you floating around. So that means one of the flavor cops is lying, yes? Unless you're suggesting Ulti has a scum redirection role of some sort, but Ben already flipped with that.

*lying about being town-sided

I hate to say it, but it does make some twisted sense that maybe some roles are doubled up to give scum a chance to claim them...

But, it still feels wrong somehow to have 2 flavorcops

Ulti is secretly lightning rod.

UltimaterializerX posted...

And Lopen pinged me day one with the gladiator joke. Han loves scum gladiators.

this is dumb.

People are letting flavor meta cloud out that Lopen was scummy to begin with and Corrik claimed a scan on arti which got him killed

If you are concerned about Arti's role, just remember the host of other reasons to suspect him

masterplum posted...

People are letting flavor meta cloud out that Lopen was scummy to begin with and Corrik claimed a scan on arti which got him killed

If you are concerned about Arti's role, just remember the host of other reasons to suspect him

Remind me how lopen was scummy

Actually sbell is really annoying me until a thought occurred.

Sbell do you have some sort of info that ulti is scum?

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Remind me how lopen was scummy

He was extremely lethargic, which pinged me as something that might be due to him rolling scum a second straight time after an extremely arduous scum performance by him in Kingmaker.

masterplum posted...

He was extremely lethargic, which pinged me as something that might be due to him rolling scum a second straight time after an extremely arduous scum performance by him in Kingmaker.

Hmm. I didn't get any big difference comparing him to his elden ring self. Can you cite something?

Leafeon13N posted...

Ulti is secretly lightning rod.

Mewtwo the... lightning rod? Seriously?

... I'm taking a joke too seriously again, aren't I?

Kirby I am concerned.

I think if one thing is clear pretty much no one was convinced of ulti being town coming out of d2.

Kirby321 posted...

Mewtwo the... lightning rod? Seriously?

... I'm taking a joke too seriously again, aren't I?

yes

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Actually sbell is really annoying me until a thought occurred.

Sbell do you have some sort of info that ulti is scum?

Wohh, would you look at that line you just cast. Having some fish for dinner?

Its hard to compare this Lopen and IcantwaittobeKing Lopen.
The nature of the game seemed to excite him a lot more in the last game.

Lopen posted...

I'm a pig guard that's like a Pokemon

this one stuck out to me at the time. i suppose this could be some kind of star wars joke i don't know about (perhaps one that fits with the joke gladiator claim?) but from what i can tell dexster jettster would not fit this at all. maybe someone who knows literally anything about star wars can help me with this.

Arti posted...

Depends on the game itself, obviously. Do you think Sheep is scum based on the claim?

soft defense of sheep here without officially taking a stance.

Arti posted...

##Unvote
##Vote: Sheep

then switches to Ben from Sheep with zero explanation of how we got there.

All of the posts in between these two are about either Lopen's gladiator claim, one sarcastic rebut to Chris about plum, and one calling out Lea for not being around after the counterclaim. Even though Arti's ONLY post about Sheep on all of Day 1 was to ask whether or not Red believed Sheep's claim.

Day 2 next, prolly will take me like 20-30 mins

Lopen stopped being excited once he got King tbh.

Obellisk posted...

Wohh, would you look at that line you just cast. Having some fish for dinner?

Well it is either that or you are annoying. I have enough doubts about arti that if you have info I would like it known. Directly asking isn't fishing it's asking for information. I believe I have said this before lol.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Well it is either that or you are annoying. I have enough doubts about arti that if you have info I would like it known. Directly asking isn't fishing it's asking for information. I believe I have said this before lol.

Not to be that guy but asking someone if they are cop with out asking them directly doesn't look great.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Not to be that guy but asking someone if they are cop with out asking them directly doesn't look great.

I didn't ask directly because I don't need to know what type of info it is nor would I want it known. The less info the better but sometimes info is needed. We've mostly avoided claims so far which I am happy about but I am not afraid to ask if it is needed.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Not to be that guy but asking someone if they are cop with out asking them directly doesn't look great.

it's ok Sultan. Chris is ok here, don't fly off the deep end on this one.

Okay disregard

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Can everyone voting arti tell me what posts from day 1 and 2 you didn't like from the slot?

I completely missed this post earlier. Quoting it for visibility.

Although I haven't voted Arti (yet), I will do so as well (though I'm gonna be heavily biased since my insights on Arti are coming purely from the role interactions/implications between him, Hb, and Ulti). I'm meeting with a friend for dinner soon, though, so it'll have to wait until later (and hopefully I don't forget this time!)

so Hb buried sheep with track claim on star wars day. (what was his track again)

Hb flavor scan ulti.
Arti comes in with more info on ulti, stuff that HB can confirm is what he sees.

attempt to take out Hb? perhaps. maybe they have an ability that gave arti hbs scan results as if he made the scan.

Hb pretty concrete town
Arti pretty concrete scum, it would seem.

ultis alignment has zero move on the needle based on how arti flips

Hb said abacus went nowhere.

Arti posted...

Isquen specifically said he did not like the Sheep train, for whatever reason that was. It was kind of lost in the posts at the end of the day. Would like an answer for him why he did that, though I have one idea why he would.

Arti posted...

Did you actually think Sheep was town at that point?

Now after the flip on Day 2 he's suddenly very concerned with Isquen's view of Sheep.

Arti posted...

I said this back in topic 3, but it bears repeating - Ben is really playing the entire game from a scum perspective. He really should be looking into other people if he was town, yet he isn't even voting anyone to get more information or force them to post more content.

This is from a discussion with me on Day 2. Key insight into how he thinks a town player should play. It's a bit of a stretch, but you could make the argument he's got this on hand because he's been thinking about it himself trying to replicate town play. He's working hard to push on Lea and Isquen this day.

The rest of the day he's mostly discussing Ben (which to his credit he had been after since Day 1). His potential scum angle here is to bus Ben, then call out the people Ben called town after he flips.

Arti posted...

Gun to my head I'd say the scum team is

Ben, Kirby, Corrik, Ulti, and MZero

and since there might be a gun pointed at my head tonight, that's what I've got! I've elaborated on many of them over the last few pages.

and this still looks awfully wrong to me.

Obellisk posted...

ultis alignment has zero move on the needle based on how arti flips

This is wrong. If Arti is scum ulti is confirmed town because scum isn't flavor copping themselves.

Something bothers me about the arti lynch that I find hard to explain. I both agree that it is the most reasonable lynch but every time I do I feel a twinge. Ultimately as I said yesterday doubt is normal but this all feels strange.

Maybe I played too much disco elysium last night.

also arti didn't get anywhere remotely close to the corrik scan claim. just totally ignored it.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Something bothers me about the arti lynch that I find hard to explain. I both agree that it is the most reasonable lynch but every time I do I feel a twinge. Ultimately as I said yesterday doubt is normal but this all feels strange.

Maybe I played too much disco elysium last night.

flipbside here is that hb buried sheep for no reason and he's the scum. is that more reasonable?

red13n posted...

This is wrong. If Arti is scum ulti is confirmed town because scum isn't flavor copping themselves.

Bad logic. Arti could be scum with Ulti and never scanned him and claimed flavor cop

Obellisk posted...

flipbside here is that hb buried sheep for no reason and he's the scum. is that more reasonable?

Double flip side we have two flavor scanners and we shouldn't role meta in a game so large.

Role meta isn't really factoring into this for me because arti did the countering.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Bad logic. Arti could be scum with Ulti and never scanned him and claimed flavor cop

We've been over this. The Arti flavor scan on Ulti has been confirmed.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Something bothers me about the arti lynch that I find hard to explain. I both agree that it is the most reasonable lynch but every time I do I feel a twinge. Ultimately as I said yesterday doubt is normal but this all feels strange.

Maybe I played too much disco elysium last night.

I get that. But it also feels (and I dislike even thinking this way) like a question that will nag at us forever
Unless something wacky happens like HB rolecopping Arti.

red13n posted...

This is wrong. If Arti is scum ulti is confirmed town because scum isn't flavor copping themselves.

this is wrong because they are already down 2 and probably have multiple players in the hot seat, why not try to make one teammate all but confirmed.

red13n posted...

We've been over this. The Arti flavor scan on Ulti has been confirmed.

And I have been over it as well. The flavor scan on Ulti can be faked if anyone on the scumteam knows anything about Pokemon.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Double flip side we have two flavor scanners and we shouldn't role meta in a game so large.

Role meta isn't really factoring into this for me because arti did the countering.

well then we just fucked.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I feel like this before any lynch that isnt 100%.

See this could be it too. Sheep and Ben were very slam dunk for me so maybe my confidence meter is a little off.