Board 8 > Star Wars and Pokemon Mafia Topic 5 - Gold/Silver

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changmas
05/20/22 11:40:14 PM
#151:


Corrik did claim vanilla on day 1 actually

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DoomTheGyarados
05/20/22 11:41:19 PM
#152:


No because I am 100% sure of Ben because he literally lied right to my face. We only get one scum a day I know it sucks but it is what it is. Plus being honest arti with no scan was always going to be in trouble. Corrik should know how to leave obvious hints but whatever it seems like we may be doing a town win speed run any % here.

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changmas
05/20/22 11:49:16 PM
#153:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
We only get one scum a day I know it sucks but it is what it is.

Perhaps a Pokemon out there has found themselves a Pokemon Gun and decided to become a vigilante

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DoomTheGyarados
05/20/22 11:50:11 PM
#154:


changmas posted...
Perhaps a Pokemon out there has found themselves a Pokemon Gun and decided to become a vigilante

This mental image lol

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PunishedBen
05/21/22 12:10:52 AM
#155:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
No because I am 100% sure of Ben because he literally lied right to my face. We only get one scum a day I know it sucks but it is what it is. Plus being honest arti with no scan was always going to be in trouble. Corrik should know how to leave obvious hints but whatever it seems like we may be doing a town win speed run any % here.
What did I lie about? I understand making things up to get your way but I thought I explained why telling you I would keep the neighboring secret was not a lie. Obviously I'm not going to keep it a secret all game. Just at least one more day

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DoomTheGyarados
05/21/22 12:13:29 AM
#156:


Your reasoning you stated for neighboring me runs contradictory with the fact that you would keep it a secret. Also I think you were hoping my memory was bad because when I corrected you on exactly what I told you word for word you were like 'Oh I never saw it'

You have four more buddies. Arti is probably one of them. But I called dibs on today.

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PunishedBen
05/21/22 12:19:31 AM
#158:


Only a secret for as long as we hold it back. You could have outed me at any time and you did immediately at the start of day. Similarly if you ended up dead I could carry on your legacy and share your knowledge. Obviously once I full claimed my night 1 actions I would explain exactly what thoughts were yours to strengthen their credibility. And that message I was just saying I literally never got to read because I think it was the last one sent. I was honest that I sawit in my phone notifications and just didn't find time to read it yet. But it really doesn't matter if I read that or not. It's not like I replied to it. I was just letting you know I wasn't ghosting you

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DoomTheGyarados
05/21/22 12:20:05 AM
#159:


If someone comes to me with a scan of Kirby I am going to punch them.

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PunishedBen
05/21/22 12:20:42 AM
#160:


Arti today, Ben never tbh

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DoomTheGyarados
05/21/22 12:21:11 AM
#161:


PunishedBen posted...
Only a secret for as long as we hold it back. You could have outed me at any time and you did immediately at the start of day. Similarly if you ended up dead I could carry on your legacy and share your knowledge. Obviously once I full claimed my night 1 actions I would explain exactly what thoughts were yours to strengthen their credibility. And that message I was just saying I literally never got to read because I think it was the last one sent. I was honest that I sawit in my phone notifications and just didn't find time to read it yet. But it really doesn't matter if I read that or not. It's not like I replied to it. I was just letting you know I wasn't ghosting you

By the way plum. This is why scum ben both tried to kill me and was my neighbor. He had this thought out. This isn't town thinking process.

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DoomTheGyarados
05/21/22 12:22:34 AM
#162:


Also I want Ben today because he is a fighter. Every day he lives he will drain the town. Arti will roll over for us. I am not going to allow this farce to continue into day 3 and let Ben wear out a single one of my precious kouhai, especially when it is entirely possible I won't be here any longer to grant them strength.

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PunishedBen
05/21/22 12:22:57 AM
#163:


Bddfkgdtgjovxshlkgb


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DoomTheGyarados
05/21/22 12:25:28 AM
#164:


Ben for God's sake you haven't even had an original thought this entire day that isn't of me except for your own alignment. You even threw in red and jc as maybe scum when I said I didn't have a good read on them earlier. You are like a phantom menace to me.

Heh heh.

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PunishedBen
05/21/22 12:30:20 AM
#165:


Seriously let's everyone else judge because you're not making any sense Chris. IIRC, my post on this subject was something like

"If you die tonight my plan is to not claim and tell everyone we chatted just yet. So I'd like to post some of the things you said here and pass them off as my own, if that's okay with you?"

Is it true that this is what I said?

And does anyone else think I lied or contradicted that today?

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DoomTheGyarados
05/21/22 12:33:05 AM
#166:


Actually no, I am just full stop not even going to allow you to take it to this a level that doesn't really matter.

My post on your reaction to Sultan, sheep's entirely obvious scum/scum interaction with you and my 23 hours of one on one time with you where you did not sway me matter much more. Sorry Ben, but I am not going to allow you to reframe this case on the basis of something really only I know for sure because it is based on our chat and I may not be saying it specifically right because as time goes on my memory becomes fuzzier. But I don't need that to be very confident you are scum.

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PunishedBen
05/21/22 12:34:00 AM
#167:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Ben for God's sake you haven't even had an original thought this entire day that isn't of me except for your own alignment. You even threw in red and jc as maybe scum when I said I didn't have a good read on them earlier. You are like a phantom menace to me.

Heh heh.
What can I say. I trust your reads a lot and agree with almost all of the points you've made in this game. Your town list is my town list because if I have anyone I don't have a town read on I trust that your town read on them is accurate

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DoomTheGyarados
05/21/22 12:35:28 AM
#168:


This conversation by the way is why I want Ben today. Ben is a fine player who is good at talking he will talk and talk and give it his all. Please let me deal with this burden today and you guys can have arti tomorrow. Who knows maybe this time they will actually kill me.

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PunishedBen
05/21/22 12:40:00 AM
#169:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/0/3/AAVaiKAADQOn.jpg

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PunishedBen
05/21/22 12:41:27 AM
#170:


What's sad is that with that point I kind of agree I have to die today as it feels like no one will trust me until I am

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DoomTheGyarados
05/21/22 12:44:18 AM
#171:


This game is going to be an endurance test for the people who survive until the end. Even assuming this game ends on day seven with only one mislynch and six dead scum that is nearly 3 full weeks of mafia counting night phases. But it could drag out more than that. As days go on and we hit scum we gain information but also there are less targets to hit and you will start losing power, your best players, or both. Conserving energy, being prudent, and doing our best to hide our best roles from scum doesn't seem important now that we feel good but four days from now maybe we will be really regretting how we played some days. Did hb need to claim to kill scum day one on hindsight? Nope. Was claiming prostitute worth it? Meh. Claiming cop when we have a scum right in front of us? Maybe.

These are decisions that feel simple and not a big deal when the game is going well. And maybe we just sweep scum and my caution is needless. But town has choked on plenty of games.

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changmas
05/21/22 12:57:17 AM
#172:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
This game is going to be an endurance test for the people who survive until the end. Even assuming this game ends on day seven with only one mislynch and six dead scum that is nearly 3 full weeks of mafia counting night phases. But it could drag out more than that.

Indeed. I'm already in energy conservation mode this game and prepped for the long haul. See y'all day 5. ;)

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MZero
05/21/22 1:08:08 AM
#173:


energy conversation mode

i need to start using that

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Kirby321
05/21/22 3:08:12 AM
#174:


Yeah ngl I'm a bit out of it. Not only because of my current sickness, but this game is rather large and difficult to keep track of.

I'm still not 100% convinced Ben is totally scum, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong. I'm still bothered by his "Sheep why did you claim I could have saved you!" comment from Day 1, but I could see that being in-character for a theatric town Ben who earnestly believed Sheep was town.

Eh, I'll toss a vote that way. Better than any other lead I've got today (not that I've really done much). I hope I'll be in a better state for analysis come Day 3.

##Vote: Ben

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htaeD
05/21/22 5:59:09 AM
#175:


I am surprised that anyone would believe Corrik
If Corrik really had a scan he wouldn't be this apathetic
Again Arti could still be scum anyways, but I am surprised people are already calling for his death (if not through lynch, then by vigs) over this

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DoomTheGyarados
05/21/22 6:02:18 AM
#176:


htaeD posted...
I am surprised that anyone would believe Corrik
If Corrik really had a scan he wouldn't be this apathetic
Again Arti could still be scum anyways, but I am surprised people are already calling for his death (if not through lynch, then by vigs) over this

Says more about arti than corrik

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htaeD
05/21/22 6:07:33 AM
#177:


That is true.

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htaeD
05/21/22 6:25:50 AM
#178:


Still weirded out by Lea 'joking' about plum attacking me after sheep claimed.
Because it sure does feel like she was trying to start something not Sheep related.
Lea did call Sheeps claim unlikely, but she also disappeared as soon as HB counterclaimed. Due IRL stuff? I can believe that. Still doesnt help her though.

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DoomTheGyarados
05/21/22 6:36:18 AM
#179:


htaeD posted...
Still weirded out by Lea 'joking' about plum attacking me after sheep claimed.
Because it sure does feel like she was trying to start something not Sheep related.
Lea did call Sheeps claim unlikely, but she also disappeared as soon as HB counterclaimed. Due IRL stuff? I can believe that. Still doesnt help her though.

She also unvoted for dubious reasons imo

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/21/22 7:48:09 AM
#180:


Christ want to give thoughts on another top scum suspect?

Or why someone is absolutely town?

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DoomTheGyarados
05/21/22 7:51:26 AM
#181:


Sure. Pick a name and I will share my thoughts. Let's be interactive.

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masterplum
05/21/22 7:52:09 AM
#182:


Im kind of at an impasse

On one hand I have seen Ben do completely dumb things as town. Like in Elden ring mafia he was vanilla and claimed a different vanilla for.. reasons. Tidus asked me why he would do that and I had no answer.

That makes me think this whole reveal the chris conversation after death could be another in a long line of strategically boneheaded town decisions by Ben.

On the other hand I think Chriss argument about Ben draining the game is accurate. There are several other suspicious people doing the Mzero and skating by due to Ben existing.

So I dont know.

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Obellisk
05/21/22 7:52:55 AM
#183:


Hey, I have like no idea what the current atmosphere is here.

death, I trust you, give me a rundown of the current events?

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DoomTheGyarados
05/21/22 7:55:54 AM
#184:


masterplum posted...
Im kind of at an impasse

On one hand I have seen Ben do completely dumb things as town. Like in Elden ring mafia he was vanilla and claimed a different vanilla for.. reasons. Tidus asked me why he would do that and I had no answer.

That makes me think this whole reveal the chris conversation after death could be another in a long line of strategically boneheaded town decisions by Ben.

On the other hand I think Chriss argument about Ben draining the game is accurate. There are several other suspicious people doing the Mzero and skating by due to Ben existing.

So I dont know.

This doesn't even take into account sheep's pretty clear scum/scum interaction either there's a lot of daggers in Ben here.

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/21/22 8:02:22 AM
#185:


Hb and Abacus

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DoomTheGyarados
05/21/22 8:08:01 AM
#186:


Well hb I thought looked good in his interactions and questioning of Lea as well as how genuine he seemed at connecting dots to other players when I questioned him shout Kirby, Lea, and isquen. I have caught him as scum before and he appeared to be townsiding even before he claimed tracker to stab sheep. Given that I have a good faith belief that day 1 was scum/scum another scum who is bussing never counter claims for credit there so he is clearly town. I may have stated the obvious about the claim business but good just to air out the logic in case everyone goes crazy.

Abacus seems to be doing ok for himself when he posts. Off memory he is the one that sheep said was scummoned in and as the official sheep whisperer I think he doesn't do that to a new scum buddy. On top of that I feel like any and all attacks against him have been really... bad. I haven't played with him before so I am not willing to clear him but upon a re-read he didn't so anything that made me suspicious or concerned. So if he is scum he is playing well at the very least.

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Corrik7
05/21/22 8:20:29 AM
#187:


Ben's a pathological liar as either alignment. His lies don't even serve purpose.

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DoomTheGyarados
05/21/22 8:22:09 AM
#188:


If it was just the lies I could understand. It's more the sheep being a bad buddy, him fabricating perspectives, and his limp noodle play that is more at issue here.


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htaeD
05/21/22 8:30:27 AM
#189:


Obellisk posted...
Hey, I have like no idea what the current atmosphere is here.

death, I trust you, give me a rundown of the current events?


Honestly I feel the same confusion
Today feels like a lot of players are content to do nothing, or jumping at the chance to sell each other out.
For what its worth I do trust you too.

As for what actually happened, Corrik claims to have a guilty scan on Arti. But I absolutely do not buy that.
The rest seems to just be steering towards a Ben lynch

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htaeD
05/21/22 8:32:46 AM
#190:


In any case I also do not think Bens choice of targeting Chris is that bad by itself even if he expected Chris to die. I do question his motive to pass of Chris' words as his own. But I find it weird that he would openly reveal that.

Also wait... I forget.
Ben now is Luxray the vanilla right?

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DoomTheGyarados
05/21/22 8:38:13 AM
#191:


htaeD posted...
In any case I also do not think Bens choice of targeting Chris is that bad by itself even if he expected Chris to die. I do question his motive to pass of Chris' words as his own. But I find it weird that he would openly reveal that.

Also wait... I forget.
Ben now is Luxray the vanilla right?

Apparently.

And also remember: if Wifom is your only answer it's a bad answer

'Why would he' is just conjecture and really I am seeing too much of this today.

There is a difference between say 'hey our cop did this thing that makes no sense but he is uncountered cop day 2 so really we should see where this goes'

And this.

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DoomTheGyarados
05/21/22 8:40:03 AM
#192:


The good news though is this whinging makes me feel good about you guys given in my world view scum was ready to bus Ben yesterday much less today. So Ben breaking death and plum's minds is town points to you both even though I hope you find your way out of the maze soon.

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Obellisk
05/21/22 8:44:34 AM
#193:


princess bride is on. it's the Wifom scene right now.


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DoomTheGyarados
05/21/22 8:44:59 AM
#194:


The ending of that scene gives you a hint how good wifom is.

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htaeD
05/21/22 8:48:22 AM
#195:


"He cheated! I would have won otherwise!"

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Obellisk
05/21/22 8:48:44 AM
#196:


Thank you death.

I remember seeing the corrik claim and questioning it but didn't really put stock into it. I wouldn't expect corrik to be so forthcoming and it sounds more like a strong read than it does an actual power.
he didn't give flavor did he?

And still just kill Ben ehh? Well I honestly have zero opinion on that. scum neighbor/town neighbor? mehh.. I still think picking Chris was an odd choice.

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masterplum
05/21/22 8:50:38 AM
#197:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
This doesn't even take into account sheep's pretty clear scum/scum interaction either there's a lot of daggers in Ben here.

Looking at dead sheeps posts was actually on my list of things to do today. Its just been a very busy day.

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htaeD
05/21/22 9:13:36 AM
#198:


Honestly it didnt clear much up for me because Sheep was just so undecided on most of his suspicions
And the people he did like were all talked about like I was .. making me think Sheep was indeed trying to become my friend (and Scare's and yours?)

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Isquen
05/21/22 11:15:25 AM
#199:


I'm finally awake. Pixies kept me asleep. Definitely not the drink.

First up:
##unvote
Never taking Corrik at his word until later on or 100% town proven.

Second up:
##vote: Ben
Ben's blowing up a storm here pretty damn awful and who lied about what, here? I'm not following their conversation without a striking headache.

I'm gonna be grounded in reality for a moment and note my displeasure at half of the game going "Cla-Chrissa Explains It All" and vanishing while he goes on an adventure even if he's all but 100% confirmed town if Ben is scum. We all can be a bit more productive - I have faith in us.

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/21/22 11:31:34 AM
#200:


Living Playerlist
  1. Ben- scum
  2. Chaeix (JC)-?? I feel okay on JC at the moment, I havent played with JC before but from what I've seen active scum hunting when he is around
  3. Changmas- i do not remember alot of what chang had done this game
  4. Corrik- corrik claims to have scanned Arti scum? But is now Vanilla?
  5. Death- in interactions with Sheep i feel like Death kind of just laughed him off.
  6. Hbthebattle- i kind of agree with the analysis chris said about HB im thinking HB is probably town
  7. Isquen- I have no idea what the hell this guy is playing. Everything he does just seems off the wall.
  8. Kirby- i am not getting the same town vibe i got from Kirby last game, Kirby was a town 3rd party last game. Might be scum this game?
  9. Lea- she did not move last night but hasn't been doing herself alot of favors after words, she did say she was busy so I might give her the benefit of the doubt atm.
  10. Arti- another ??? If im inclined to believe he was scanned scum then so be it.
  11. Masterplum
  12. MZero- Typical Mzero his pop ins have been better so far this game.
  13. Red13n-??? I never know how to read Red if town i assume he dies soon after his great performance last game proved why you dont keep him alive.
  14. SBell- sbell this game is similar to last game so maybe town?
  15. Scare- scare hasnt don't much at all but said he is super behind and look forward to seeing what he says when he comes back.
  16. Sir Chris- im thinking this is town Chris i haven't seen anything to convince me other wise again.
  17. Ulti- im thinking Ulti is scum Ulti but I can't exaplain why its just a feeling.
  18. ViolentAbacus- okay for now but will reread



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