Board 8 > Star Wars and Pokemon Mafia Topic 5 - Gold/Silver

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masterplum
05/21/22 11:45:27 AM
#201:


I see how it is

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/21/22 11:46:08 AM
#202:


Oh my bad plum..
Leaning town

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htaeD
05/21/22 12:38:23 PM
#203:


Before I start ISOing Ben (and other players I think are suspicious)

I will note that Arti also basically did nothing during sheeps final hours besides making an obligatory vote
Before that he even seemed to be subtly supporting Sheeps claim by asking Red whether or not scum would claim Tracker
Same thing Corrik did really, but sneakier

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masterplum
05/21/22 1:34:31 PM
#204:


masterplum posted...
Did ben ever give an explanation of what he was trying to accomplish by neighborizing chris? I just reviewed Chris's wall against ben which, honestly, I didn't have the effort necessary to fully parse when it was first posted, and that was the one really shocking thing to me that it seemed he used the power on chris, and then didn't have a really good reason of doing it.


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htaeD
05/21/22 1:38:39 PM
#205:


I think the gist of it was

Chris is smart
If Chris dies I can become his voice

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Kirby321
05/21/22 1:40:20 PM
#206:


I believe Ben said he chose Chris to get his final thoughts and reads, believing that Chris would die that night. Personally, I think that makes sense, but Chris also said they didn't talk much, which Ben chalks up to not realizing they only had 24 hours to talk instead of the full duration of nighttime.

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HanOfTheNekos
05/21/22 1:42:29 PM
#207:


Ponyta, Vaporeon, Poliwrath, Butterfree!
Vote 'em vote 'em gotta vote 'em all...
Mafia!
[5] Ben: (Hb), (Ulti), Sultan, Chris, Ulti, Kirby, Isquen
[1] Arti: (Isquen), (Ulti), Ben
[1] Ulti: (Isquen), SBell, (Ben)
[1] Red: Plum
[1] Chris: (Ulti), Corrik
[0] Lea: (Arti)
[0] Corrik: (Ulti), (Isquen)
[0] Abacus: (Ulti)

With 19 alive, it takes 10 votes to reach majority, or else day will end at 7pm EDT on Saturday, roughly 5 hours 18 minutes from now.

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changmas
05/21/22 1:52:39 PM
#208:


Ben I assume your neighbor dialog closed because you turned into a Pokemon after 24 hours. If you turn back into your star wars character do you continue being neighbors with Chris or was it just for night 1?

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changmas
05/21/22 1:53:19 PM
#209:


or chris can answer that too if he's aware

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htaeD
05/21/22 2:02:19 PM
#210:


I am not sure anyone was even told we would be turning back into star wars characters...

Also I didn't even notice that part about the power in all the catching up (that the board shut down halfway)

Chris did you and Ben say anything to each other that would have let Ben prove himself as a neighborizer even if you died? Did Ben try to get a tell or a clue?

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Corrik7
05/21/22 2:25:57 PM
#211:


htaeD posted...
I am not sure anyone was even told we would be turning back into star wars characters...

Also I didn't even notice that part about the power in all the catching up (that the board shut down halfway)

Chris did you and Ben say anything to each other that would have let Ben prove himself as a neighborizer even if you died? Did Ben try to get a tell or a clue?
Obvious

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changmas
05/21/22 2:27:57 PM
#212:


htaeD posted...
I am not sure anyone was even told we would be turning back into star wars characters...

please use critical thinking or even just common sense. this game will last like 6 days at the minimum. we turned from star wars characters Day 1 to Pokemon Day 2. There's no way we're spending the rest of the game as pokemon.

ALTHOUGH...

you did just give me the idea that the portmanteaus aren't finished and maybe we just keep getting swapping them further along every night

e.g. Marquise Chris(s) Paul George Karl Anthony-Towns

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changmas
05/21/22 2:32:28 PM
#213:


changmas posted...
you did just give me the idea that the portmanteaus aren't finished and maybe we just keep getting swapping them further along every night

while this is cool in theory logically speaking I don't think it's possible actually because we could just no-lynch no-kill until Han runs out of new identities

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htaeD
05/21/22 2:34:43 PM
#214:


No need to be rude like that Changmas. I was just stating that we dont have it in writing.

I also dont think the switches will continue to be new characters each time, because that sounds like a nightmare for safelists (even if there are 900 pokemon and How many star wars characters?)

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htaeD
05/21/22 2:35:23 PM
#215:


Dont recall Changmas arguing with himself being a thing. But I agree with one of them.

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changmas
05/21/22 2:37:21 PM
#216:


htaeD posted...
Dont recall Changmas arguing with himself being a thing. But I agree with one of them.

i posted that idea with zero filtering of my thoughts and then immediately realized why it wouldn't work

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htaeD
05/21/22 2:49:17 PM
#217:


Anyway already I can see that whatever Ben is, it sounds like he planned to neighbor Chris from the start given the way his first post went.

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Chaeix
05/21/22 2:52:04 PM
#218:


I'm not a huge fan of Ulti, while I remember very little from past games since it's been so long, I've been on the receiving end of various Ulti tirades before when he was misguided town. I'm not seeing the same kind of commanding zeal that I'm used to, and SBell's comparison to FE Mafia makes sense to me. And his flavour vote on Corrik quite frankly felt somewhat illogical, and I give him more than enough credit to be able to know that the Mewtwo flavour thing wasn't worth reading into.

I wasn't really hot on VA but then he asked his really innocent questions about neighborizer and bussing. Would a newbie scum player who doesn't know what those kinds of interactions are ask the town or ask his scumboard? I don't want to read into things too much but they seem like questions in earnest.

I think changmas has been around but offering very little - e.g. a good analysis, but void of content, in post 94 of topic 5, which raises red flags for me in conjunction with Sheep conveniently omitting him from the list of names that weren't on Isquen's list (for the record Isquen, I was questioning Sheep's analysis of your list, and not the list itself). I also don't get the flavour counterclaim since it's flavour counterclaiming Chris' guess of what his flavour actually is? My biggest asterix here is that if Ben is in fact scum, it would seem weird for him to just go "chang is town for defending me" (how I interpreted him). 'THANK YOU MY SCUMBUDDY YOU ARE NOW TOWN' just kind of rubs me wrong so I suppose we'll have to see what Ben flips since it seems like he's got the momentum today.

Ben, could you please elaborate on why I am more scummy than the other lurkers? You're either completely absent a read, or basically stating that your uncertainty about me makes me scummy, neither of which is particularly logical. While I agree with chang's defense of him about it being difficult to scumhunt while you're constantly on the back foot as Ben has been, I think there have been ample opportunities to contemplate and offer more, and while I'm perfectly find with people suspecting me, I just don't view 'unknown' as a good reason to call someone scum and lurker applies to far more people than just myself.

I also like plum pointing out people skating by this game and pointing a finger towards MZero. He's said remarkably little when he's been around and his day 2 activity strikes me as odd considering he came in Day 1 with at least a few reads before voting Isquen. MZero are you still suspicious of Isquen considering that you finished the last day on him?

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Chaeix
05/21/22 3:17:11 PM
#220:


I suppose I can't and we should all be grateful for that. Can other people testify to this translating into Ulti being more chill in mafia in more recent times? SBell didn't seem to think so if I'm taking his read correctly

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Leafeon13N
05/21/22 3:26:58 PM
#221:


Chaeix posted...
I suppose I can't and we should all be grateful for that. Can other people testify to this translating into Ulti being more chill in mafia in more recent times? SBell didn't seem to think so if I'm taking his read correctly
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Arti
05/21/22 4:12:15 PM
#222:


I was hoping the Yankees game wasn't going to take this long but it is and I still want to get a full read through and post my thoughts before the end of day so I am here now to do so. Doesn't seem to be too many posts since last night when I was here so that portion at least won't take too long

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Arti
05/21/22 4:22:41 PM
#223:


and if you have any questions for me I'll keep an eye on this topic as well

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ScareChan
05/21/22 4:35:08 PM
#224:


hi

resident piece of shit here who has not kept his word

sorry guys, I'm trying to get into the swing of things. I don't have an excuse for yesterday. Once I got home my mind was just numb. Im going to try and do anything I can before end of day though

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htaeD
05/21/22 4:35:39 PM
#225:


Okay, both of you... your thoughts on Ben please

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Kirby321
05/21/22 4:35:44 PM
#226:


Arti, what are your thoughts on Lopen? Based on his posts from Day 1, do you think he's scum?

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PunishedBen
05/21/22 4:36:54 PM
#227:


changmas posted...
Ben I assume your neighbor dialog closed because you turned into a Pokemon after 24 hours. If you turn back into your star wars character do you continue being neighbors with Chris or was it just for night 1?
I have no idea and haven't really thought about it yet

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Arti
05/21/22 4:38:52 PM
#228:


Kirby321 posted...
Arti, what are your thoughts on Lopen? Based on his posts from Day 1, do you think he's scum?

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htaeD
05/21/22 4:39:47 PM
#229:


That's hilarious

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ScareChan
05/21/22 4:39:50 PM
#230:


Sheep007 posted...
It definitely can be both, I shoulda been saying there can be a distinct difference. Enthusiastically analytical about covers my read of Kirby's character here but I mostly wanted to figure which angle you were coming from.

I'm also wondering what you think of the Chang/Lopen/Chris interaction of the last page or so? I'd like to hear about that from Death too when he pops up, since it's coming up to his time.

Trying to look through Sheep's stuff. I thought he was town so I'm clearly bad at reading him, but I always like to check groups of 3 for rule of 3

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ScareChan
05/21/22 4:40:27 PM
#231:


Kirby / arti not scum/scum?

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Arti
05/21/22 4:41:31 PM
#232:


htaeD posted...
Okay, both of you... your thoughts on Ben please
I've already stated my thoughts on Ben; he's playing from a scum perspective how he's played so far through the two days.

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PunishedBen
05/21/22 4:42:57 PM
#233:


Sheep what are your thoughts on me? I notice you haven't really said clearly if you think I'm town or scum yet.

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ScareChan
05/21/22 4:43:23 PM
#234:


1-5 has me leaning Chang would be the scum in that three pack

Also Sheep voted Death and then pulled it off without much issue. Could just be a vote for show

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htaeD
05/21/22 4:43:25 PM
#235:


Right. I knew someone said that, but somehow I forgot who.

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Leafeon13N
05/21/22 4:43:43 PM
#236:


There isn't much of acontingent trying to call Ben town and that tends to make me assume someone is just scum.
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ScareChan
05/21/22 4:43:44 PM
#237:


PunishedBen posted...
Sheep what are your thoughts on me? I notice you haven't really said clearly if you think I'm town or scum yet.

Buh?


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masterplum
05/21/22 4:46:09 PM
#238:


##Vote:Ben

At this point the worst case scenario is the ben discussion goes on another 48 hours as it took up the entire day. I would have preferred a Lea or Arti lynch I think, but If chris is town then letting him effectively day vig isn't a bad strategy.

Is Chris town? I don't know. I'm a bit nervous about it but I think we are just rolling with probabilities at this point.

Chris endorsed me leading the Sheep train so I'll endorse him leading the ben train.

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Isquen
05/21/22 4:46:27 PM
#239:


Kirby321 posted...
Arti, what are your thoughts on Lopen? Based on his posts from Day 1, do you think he's scum?

PunishedBen posted...
Sheep what are your thoughts on me? I notice you haven't really said clearly if you think I'm town or scum yet.

Am I having a stroke here? Does anyone else smell toast?

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Arti
05/21/22 4:46:32 PM
#240:


ScareChan posted...
Trying to look through Sheep's stuff. I thought he was town so I'm clearly bad at reading him, but I always like to check groups of 3 for rule of 3
He was clearly pocketing you with his posts in day 1, don't feel too bad

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ScareChan
05/21/22 4:46:38 PM
#241:


Just based on sheep im thinking

Chang scum

Sultan, Abacus, Plum town

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ScareChan
05/21/22 4:47:46 PM
#242:


Arti posted...
He was clearly pocketing you with his posts in day 1, don't feel too bad

I used to be good at recognizing that. Not so much anymore

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PunishedBen
05/21/22 4:48:00 PM
#243:


Heheh

Anyway I've been catching up on sleep and just had a dream where I was already dead and in a dead town chat with IGCD and Crescent for whatever reason and I was at peace. So I am content now. Trust Chris' town list as I believe in it and this game is easily won

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Leafeon13N
05/21/22 4:49:07 PM
#244:


ScareChan posted...
Just based on sheep im thinking

Chang scum

Sultan, Abacus, Plum town
Fuck I was going through the old day yesterday and had the same thought with Abacus but my mind has completely forgotten the why part of it.
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masterplum
05/21/22 4:49:40 PM
#245:


PunishedBen posted...
Heheh

Anyway I've been catching up on sleep and just had a dream where I was already dead and in a dead town chat with IGCD and Crescent for whatever reason and I was at peace. So I am content now. Trust Chris' town list as I believe in it and this game is easily won

If you are town, maybe you will finally do what corrik did and stop claiming suicidally stupid things all of the time.

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ScareChan
05/21/22 4:50:37 PM
#246:


Leafeon13N posted...
Fuck I was going through the old day yesterday and had the same thought with Abacus but my mind has completely forgotten the why part of it.

Most of those reads are based on topic 1 page 5

Abacus popped up with a one liner and Sheep came in with "This is all you have to give?" and pressed him a bit. He backed off their next interaction though

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htaeD
05/21/22 4:50:52 PM
#247:


You know I might as well ask
Ben, what are your thoughts on me?

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ScareChan
05/21/22 4:51:04 PM
#248:


There was some suspicion on Lea for end of day yesterday regarding something with sheep. Can someone help me with what that was

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PunishedBen
05/21/22 4:51:13 PM
#249:


Sheep called one of Abacaus' posts a scummon. That is the reason Red

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Kirby321
05/21/22 4:51:33 PM
#250:


Isquen posted...
Am I having a stroke here? Does anyone else smell toast?

If it wasn't obvious, I was shitposting lol

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