Board 8 > Hearthstone Discussion Topic: Voyage To The Sunken City - Year of the Hydra

(+) Yeah! (+)

General opinion of the mini-set so far:

Shaman got some monster cards. I was initially thinking the murlocs would probably bypass standard and go straight to wild, but the pro stream review was like...yeah, the clownfish murloc is busted and getting nerfed, bolner into clownfish into gorlock ravager just lets you draw and play every murloc in your deck. The spell that's just faceless manipulator for 5 overload 1 is pretty good too, and notably is by far the best Nature spell right now to cast with Wrathspine Enchanter, so maybe that becomes a deck.

All of the non-shaman class cards...hmm...mostly stuff that I'm not sure will find a home right now, but could be relevant later (stuff like cards that require casting a specific spell school that the current versions of the archetype don't want to run).

Started wondering about skipping the mini-set this time and just getting the commons and rares from packs. So I ran some math and...

https://old.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/v1jkj0/the_is_it_worthit_to_buy_the_miniset_math_iceberg/

lol, nope, I should definitely still buy the mini-set. And so should...almost everyone I think?

It's just inherently better priced than packs. Not by a ton, but by enough that it's a better deal for the vast majority of playstyles.

You may have created the highest effort r/hearthstone post in years

When did they remove Kalecgos from Battlegrounds?

Its still there, you just sometimes dont see Dragons

also honestly dragons arent a good strat anymore

I don't believe you.

I did not refresh that many times and get that many golds on tier 5 to not see Kalec.

Well its tier 6 so did you mean triple on 5

then again I get a lot of Little Rag/Zapp/Nosy Looter so I get the pain

New Feature: Overcapped Decks!
Have you ever started building a deck and run out of slots before you even made it to the Neutrals? Now, when building a deck in My Collection, youll be able to add up to 50 cards as you tinker, and then trim it down to 30 when youre done narrowing down your options. (Youll still need to make a legal deck before playing with it). Theres no telling what youll brew up now that your limits are overcapped!

Finally.

If you logged in and got your monthly rewards, apparently there's a bug where duplicate protection will forget you already disenchanted Multi-Strike and Dragonbane Shot and give you those two cards again:

https://old.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/v2dpqh/multistrike_and_dragonbane_shot_from_monthly_chest/

The nerf window is still up so you can disenchant them for full dust.

(Note that you could also get them from packs, I got 1x Mutli-Strike and 2x Dragonbane Shot, so I guess I must have opened a Multi-strike from a tavern brawl pack or something).

So...apparently there's two major bugs right now:

Bioluminescence is bugged to be +2 spell damage.

Snapdragon is bugged to give permanent attack to all cards with battlecries, including hero cards, so people have a permanent 1 or 2 attack.

Book of heroes was also a mess for me. Claimed I had already cleared Faelin's book of heroes. Spreading Madness just hit the same target with every hit, instead of random. The final fight bugged out and failed to advance phases on me. And then the next time it advanced all the way till the final phase, there was this whole cutscene of "use the amulet to win" and then the boss made me discard the amulet before I even read what it does. But I won anyway cause I had a big board so....

I know people complaining about hearthstone bugs is basically a meme at this point, but genuinely I don't think I've ever seen it this bad. (From what I understand the QA team went on strike, and faced a lot of union-busting measures from the executive suite).

UltimaterializerX posted...

The shop sure doesnt have any bugs though, does it? In fact, in no game since Activision took Blizzard over has any shop had a single glitch. Look it up.

I mean, not specifically the shop, but duplicate protection failing to work on Multi-strike and Dragonbane Shot after people dusted them is certainly an economy based bug.

Some people on reddit were saying there was a time window when it just wasn't working at all, and a couple people opened like 30 packs for the guaranteed dust. But even setting those people asside, even people who didn't even realize a bug was happening (I didn't know it was a bug till I went on reddit) got themselves a decent chunk more dust than was intended.

Hotfix for most of the major bugs

https://twitter.com/hsdecktech/status/1532509501919621120

You know in all honesty you could probably nerf like 3 warrior cards and it could still be the best class right now

like my guesses are shield shatter to deal 3, From the Depths is bottom 3, and Nellie to 8 and I am unsure if thats enough

Theres a patch tomorrow

I havent played since Saturday, wonder when the streak ends

https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/blog/23817872/

hm maybe I am pulled back in

Glad they nerfed Nellie so it can no longer puke out a giant chunk of charge damage instead of just dealing with the card itself that creates said giant chunk of charge damage and not completely obliterating the card that's likely fun under normal circumstances.

LiquidOshawott posted...

https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/blog/23817872/

hm maybe I am pulled back in

I'm genuinely surprised that they nerfed 13 cards in one patch, I think that's a record? A bunch of those are adventure cards too (like smite), so people are guaranteed to have them. Just a fountain of dust for people.

I feel like not all of those nerfs were necessary, either (Tidal Revenant was not in every control warrior, and people only play it because it has good synergy with From the Depths and Shield Shatter, and both the cards it has synergy with are getting nerfed, so it very well might have dropped off without getting its own numbers changed).

I mean Revenant was still pretty overtuned

its basically a guaranteed good Cenarion Ward in a class that utilizes armor greatly

Another round of Ws for Quest Priest

LiquidOshawott posted...

I mean Revenant was still pretty overtuned

its basically a guaranteed good Cenarion Ward in a class that utilizes armor greatly

I'm...really not convinced it was overtuned.

The comparison that jumps to mind for me with Revenant is Ultimate Infestation, and like...okay, it's a little cheaper, and has a bit more health and armour, but doesn't draw 5 cards. So I feel like Ultimate Infestation is tuned quite a bit stronger than Revenant was.

Or if you want to compare it to an 8 drop you could compare it to Coilfang Warlord, which is a 9/5 rush that deathrattles into a 5/9 taunt. Has some of the same ideas (deal some damage, and then keep your hero safe). Has never been a particularly good card.

The comparison to Cenarion Ward...thing is Cenarion Ward was only really good if you doubled it with solar eclipse. Now, granted, you CAN double up on Revenant too with Brann--the Brann synergy is part of what makes Revenant good right now, but that requires discounting Brann or Revenant with From the Depths.

Drawn winrates also seem to be suggesting it's a solid card, but...not crazy strong or anything--glancing on HSReplay it's typically about the same drawn winrate as Alextraza the Life Binder and Shield Block. (Alextraza and Shield Block are very solid cards, don't get me wrong, but they're not cards I'd expect to get nerfed).

And I would expect these numbers to drop a little with the other cards getting nerfed; a From the Depths nerf makes it harder and slower to Brann+Revenant. A big reason to run Revenant was to help get 10 armour for Shield Shatter, but Shield Shatter got nerfed so that play is a bit weaker too.

General consensus I'm seeing from streamers is that warrior got hit too hard.

The patch notes do say "We dont want or expect these decks to disappear entirely after the changes" about control warrior and charge warrior. But so far players seem pretty skeptical.

Nellie got nuked from orbit

And every one of their other tools got gutted

Class is dead tbqh

https://twitter.com/AlecoGereco/status/1537471504560009216

Twitter thread of one of the developers on the nerfs.

https://twitter.com/playhearthstone/status/1540742047547568128?s=21&t=xj3PtDkOl0jsqY8Zb5mJvg

expansion teaser, seems like its Revendreth

It's Morbin Time?

https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/blog/23817873/

Clue themed! Or any murder mystery. Cool idea

Also huge BG patch that buffed bad heroes and brought in and removed a bunch of minions

How many Mech Mages can I report for 'inappropriate gameplay' before my account gets dumpstered for abusing the report system?

Kooky and Chromawing was so OP that Chromawing got removed

Also seems like a lot of Prince decks running around, guess 40 health and 40 cards is fun

Ive been playing 40 card Quest Priest, seems pretty good?

One of the steps of the new event quest requires playing matches of battlegrounds.

Eh, not really in the mood, guess I'll just promote on turn 2, turn 3, and turn 4, and hopefully I'll just die due to playing so stupidly.

Proceed to get 1st >_>

These new warlock cards they just revealed seem pretty nutty

get ready for warlock takeover 2

I keep forgetting you can put more than 30 cards in your deck when building it now. I'm still building to 30, well 40 right now, and then every time I find a card I want to add I scan my deck to remove something on the spot instead of just waiting until the end.

I came back. Kept watching Dane ever since I quit, and I got the itch so bad I downloaded it again. I have absolutely no idea what the state of Standard is, so I don't know what the hell I'm playing around in every matchup, but I've still had pretty good success with a Reno Quest Priest.

Did some arena as well, and I'd like to pose this screenshot and see if anyone can figure out how this happened.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/2/6/AANxMBAADeMu.jpg

Can't make out what's going on in the sidebar, and I don't know what sets are currently in arena but I assume that's the 5/4 dragon and it's got +8/+8. Maybe that 2/2 that has a deathrattle that gives a dragon in hand +2/+2 went off multiple times?

Unless there's something else going on in this screenshot and I just don't see it.

Yeah, that was it. I had that 5-mana arena card that discovered a spell and discounts it by 5-mana, and it generated a Phylactery for me, and it hit 4 minions. The one on the right actually still has the deathrattle, so it only got 4 buffs instead of the 5, but as you can see from my health total, I couldn't afford to wait anymore.

Anyway, this run didn't go so bad for starting off 0-2.....
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/6/8/AANxMBAADfjU.jpg

One of the funniest parts of this is that it triggered every single Warrior arena win achievements: for 3 wins, 4, all the way up to 12, since I just started playing again. Another weird aspect of this run was that I dealt the last tick of damage to my opponent through fatigue three times out of those, once to another warrior, and twice to warlocks who had the spell that destroyed cards in the deck for every minion killed.

After not playing for a long time, and before that using wild as essentially the mode where I tank games just to get achievements or finish quests I don't want to bother with in ranked, my mmr is ridiculous. Literally playing people running Crocolisk/Yeti/Ogre which feels all the worse when I'm playing this jank 40-legendary Mage deck. I think it's 10-0, maybe 11-0, and only three of those games have been against actual competitive decks.

On the other hand, once I stop facing these players this deck is going to get slaughtered.

MrSmartGuy posted...

Anyway, this run didn't go so bad for starting off 0-2.....
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/6/8/AANxMBAADfjU.jpg

I used to always use the EU and Asia regions to play arena so I didn't waste gold on badly built decks and ended up getting 12 on both of them, but I'm pretty sure I've never actually had 12 wins on NA.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/3/3/AANxMBAADhNB.jpg

That was extremely cathartic.

Step 1: Open packs
Step 2: Craft three legendaries you want that weren't in said packs.
Step 3: Finish a couple of quests and get two packs from the track.
Step 4: Open three legendaries in said two packs and, rather than get excited over the good luck get upset that you just crafted the three you wanted instead of waiting and possibly opening them and saving dust.

Heh heh, first time playing Murloc Holmes I got all the clues right