Board 8 > Elden Ring Topic 12: Precious Item Ahead

(+) Yeah! (+)

1. Sheep (Replaced Bat)
2. Ben
3. Changmas
4. Chris (Replaced Ghetsis)
5. Corrik
6. Crescent
7. IGCD
8. isquen
9. Mzero
10. Red
11. Sultan

LD1 Scare - Jumping TOWN Vanilla
KN1 Death - Obligatory Volcano Area - TOWN Vanilla
KD2 Sbell - Why do you advertise who wrote your lore if you never tell us what the lore is - MAFIA Vote Freezer
LD2 Panth - This game lasts way too long - MAFIA Scarlet Rot emitter
KN2 Marth - Flame Cleanse Me - TOWN Cleansing Incantation
KD3 - Ulti - Rune Arcs - MAFIA Vanilla

With 11 alive it's 6 to lynch

Day ends 8PM Tuesday Roughly 6 hours

Meow

Have we now sorted out that Chris is basically confirmed town unless any of the power claims are lying and also town

Sheep007 posted...

Have we now sorted out that Chris is basically confirmed town unless any of the power claims are lying and also town

No.

But anyway, here's three facts about scum on day 1:

Ulti's tune changed as the post-Chris era went on. I think Ulti knows I'm right that he always acts more disrespectful towards me when he's scum.

I very likely would have been the lynch, and it would have been pure.

When scum realized Chris wouldn't let me be lynched, they tried to railroad Ben and leave me in second.

Analysis on scum actions on day 1 simply looks good on Ben and Chris.

anyway going on a date, see you guys day 4 lol

DoomTheGyarados posted...

anyway going on a date, see you guys day 4 lol

Is she a kitten?

Corrik7 posted...

No.

Is your issue with what I said the assumption that Chris would not be able to use the bestowed power and also roleblock in the same night? Or the assumption that no power claims are lying and also not-scum?

Sheep007 posted...

Is your issue with what I said the assumption that Chris would not be able to use the bestowed power and also roleblock in the same night? Or the assumption that no power claims are lying and also not-scum?

Nah I am good.

UltimaterializerX posted...
After last game I am positive Chris will make adjustments to his town play. I think hes been mislynched like 3 times total, ever?

Also Chris is right about this looking really bad.

Crescent-Moon posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...
After last game I am positive Chris will make adjustments to his town play. I think hes been mislynched like 3 times total, ever?

Also Chris is right about this looking really bad.

Yes, except if Chris is scum, Ulti knew Chris was replacing in as scum and could have posted the same thing.

It does line up as a slip for Chris if he is town to notice.

I don't think that's much of anything.

The way Ulti sucked up to Chris when he joined though is more telling.

Corrik7 posted...

Nah I am good.

Cool

If you follow that, I'm sure you understand why myself, Ben and Crescent can also not be scum unless we are ninja roleblocker and you make the same assumptions minus the n2 action?

And so if you're lynching me, you should probably actively arguing that's my role, since it's the only real explanation that fits. Or you could be lying about your role! Which I think is incredibly likely regardless of your alignment.

Corrik7 posted...

Yes, except if Chris is scum, Ulti knew Chris was replacing in as scum and could have posted the same thing.

It does line up as a slip for Chris if he is town to notice.

I don't think that's much of anything.

The way Ulti sucked up to Chris when he joined though is more telling.

Ulti's tune in the game changed, yes. I'd pointed out in the last topic that no one's vibes changed the way his did.

Could Chang lying about being roleblocked be a possibility? I know this likely makes him scum if so, but is it possible there is no roleblocker and Chang is a liar?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Could Chang lying about being roleblocked be a possibility? I know this likely makes him scum if so, but is it possible there is no roleblocker and Chang is a liar?

Yes, it is possible, but it's very unlikely scum have no roleblocker and Chang claimed to have protected Sultan as he did.

Good lord does this team feel weak if it doesn't even have an RB.

Sheep007 posted...

Cool

If you follow that, I'm sure you understand why myself, Ben and Crescent can also not be scum unless we are ninja roleblocker and you make the same assumptions minus the n2 action?

And so if you're lynching me, you should probably actively arguing that's my role, since it's the only real explanation that fits. Or you could be lying about your role! Which I think is incredibly likely regardless of your alignment.

No I don't understand your math.

It's 10/9.

If I am roleblocker it is still 9/8

If I am ninja roleblocker it is 8/7. And I would have to be a ninja because I have been observed going nowhere.

Like, I don't understand how your math clears Chris If IGCD is telling the truth yet not me.

Like it requires so many assumptions.

Sheep007 posted...

Yes, it is possible, but it's very unlikely scum have no roleblocker and Chang claimed to have protected Sultan as he did.

What if Chang is roleblocker? How would that fit into the actions count?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

What if Chang is roleblocker? How would that fit into the actions count?

It would be 9/8. If you change any power to roleblocker it becomes 9/8.

I actually considered that Sultan is TOWN Roleblocker/Jailkeeper. But I don't know why he wouldn't claim his roleblock on Chang.

It makes it 9/8 again. Add in a message leaver. 10/9. And then instead assume that scum activated a ninja night 1 as their power instead of a being a ninja roleblocker. It's why I was interested with Mzeros stat choice.

But since Sultan didn't claim it, I am assuming that isn't right

Ironically except Mzero if you change him to roleblocker it becomes 9/9. But, I mean...

But then ulti wouldn't have sent in the kill if scum activated a ninja so it would be 9/8 again.

Like if you are using IGCD to clear Chris, I should be cleared twice as much. Because I have to be a ninja to be scum. (Just ignore I already told the game I am observable getting up for giggles I suppose before I knew reds scan).

I am ok with lynching a power claim that has to submit an action or Ben. At the very least it should change the amount of actions submitted for me tonight.

My picks are Red, Ben or Chang.

So how does your vote on me make any sense with your "do I need to show you the chart again" spiel.

If you are going by the "chart", the only way to make sense of it without a scum power shenanigans is IGCD is lying. Red is lying about being poisoned. Or Mzero is scum roleblocker with a day action.

Not a single power being scum makes the "chart" right.

Maybe Mzero fills up his powers with a town mislynch. Lol. Like, who even knows anymore at this point. Is it likely. NOPE. But, hey, if you are trying to make the chart right. Might wanna follow your own logic.

Corrik7 posted...

If you are going by the "chart", the only way to make sense of it without a scum power shenanigans is IGCD is lying. Red is lying about being poisoned. Or Mzero is scum roleblocker with a day action.

Not a single power being scum makes the "chart" right.

ding ding ding

See I hate IGCD's role because it devolves all reasoning to THIS and the truth is we have no idea what role scum has. Remember in Jojo mafia I was EVERY scum power you could imagine

Kill IGCD for that reason tbh.

Corrik7 posted...

Maybe Mzero fills up his powers with a town mislynch. Lol. Like, who even knows anymore at this point. Is it likely. NOPE. But, hey, if you are trying to make the chart right. Might wanna follow your own logic.

This actually doesn't work either to make it right.
It would have to be Mzero is scum jack who cab fill flask, Roleblock, and ?????.

But a scum power to get another extra kill with poisoner multi use is insane.

PunishedBen posted...

See I hate IGCD's role because it devolves all reasoning to THIS and the truth is we have no idea what role scum has. Remember in Jojo mafia I was EVERY scum power you could imagine

Kill IGCD for that reason tbh.

Like I said, I didn't wanna play into the IGCD stuff because it caused too much assumptions being made. I said this way earlier in the day when I was refusing anything at all to the game.

Okay, I actually do understand where you're coming from here, Corrik. There's a few extra assumptions we need to make for you to be scum. You're right and I did unintentionally make a leap because I feel you're more likely scum than anyone else based on your play (and everyone else's).

I think I'm just a little frustrated that we have a problem that I feel like I can't do all that much to solve right now while Chris just goes "lol vote sheep if it's wrong think about it later". I know who I absolutely do not want to lynch but I have no players I am good with lynching right now, just less-bad options.

I agree that there is no real way for a power to be scum if the chart is right and that we are operating on faulty logic somewhere. I don't know if I am just being naive in thinking IGCD doesn't do this as scum or am missing something massive? I would love a full claim from yourself still but I think we both know that probably isn't happening. Regardless of whether I die or live, please just claim tomorrow if the game is still going. We're still operating without a lot of information and the game would be easier to figure out if we had it.

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There is a reason I am not claiming, Sheep. And it isn't the reason you think regardless of your alignment.

Hey, you don't know why I think you aren't claiming!

But also I don't think you are the third party. I think you aren't claiming because you're Corrik. Not that that's necessarily bad, but I'm sure you can imagine it's a bit frustrating even if I know it might win the game in a day or two, because I can't tell if it could or you're just doing a you thing.

Sheep007 posted...

Hey, you don't know why I think you aren't claiming!

But also I don't think you are the third party. I think you aren't claiming because you're Corrik. Not that that's necessarily bad, but I'm sure you can imagine it's a bit frustrating even if I know it might win the game in a day or two, because I can't tell if it could or you're just doing a you thing.

No.

Anyways.

If you think there isn't Scum shenanigans going on, IGCD makes sense to lynch.

If IGCD is town, there has to be.

And just from a balancing perspective, scum has to have a way to stop IGCD from breaking the game.

There is no simple just one person is lying answer with IGCD being correct besides Red or Mzero.

Or a power claiming to act night 1 and night 2 but only acted night 1 I guess. But with the roleblocker supposedly existing that kind of eliminates that possibility.

IGCD is the simple answer, yeah, but it doesn't feel like the right one to me with the weird-ass claim. Hence why I went after you instead, because if the game state is weird as hell and someone isn't telling the truth, it's usually a good idea to look at you first. I wanna try and ISO IGCD again before the end of the day to see if I'm even moderately okay with lynching him but I'm gonna go get groceries first. Should be back well before EoD.

Scum has to be in the quieter people today who are not trying as hard to solve the entire situation. I dont know how long it will take us to get there, but its the only thing that makes sense. All the people trying are just...so unconfident in the lynches we have put up so far today. This makes me look at Isquen and Sultan. What scum wouldn't buss one of these two if they were your scum mate? I dont know how long it will take us to get there, but i feel that is where the answer is. Both are claimed Power and we have no evidence their powers did what they claim. (Well in Sultan's case we dont know what he's claiming, but still)

I came back just to say fuck no to Ben.

ty

PunishedBen posted...

Scum has to be in the quieter people today who are not trying as hard to solve the entire situation. I dont know how long it will take us to get there, but its the only thing that makes sense. All the people trying are just...so unconfident in the lynches we have put up so far today. This makes me look at Isquen and Sultan. What scum wouldn't buss one of these two if they were your scum mate? I dont know how long it will take us to get there, but i feel that is where the answer is. Both are claimed Power and we have no evidence their powers did what they claim. (Well in Sultan's case we dont know what he's claiming, but still)

Thank you for summing up why Isquen has never left my POE. He has given us little this game that isn't related to me. The late scum votes on him meant nothing (especially Panthera's) when it's pretty clear scum was avoiding Scare.

And he's claiming a self-acting power, which is something Corrik has also claimed.

And frankly I trust Corrik more.

No.

He claims he can't act anymore and Red is tracker. Then again he will probably be roleblocked or killed now.

unless red is the scum

(I want to believe)

Red is one of the quiet ones too as far as I'm concerned. I just didnt mention him because he at least has being poisoned going for him as something we can "prove" actually happened by Panth's flip

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I came back just to say fuck no to Ben.

ty

And its fine I don't expect you to understand until after Sheep flips. This is just words from someone who has seen the light and believes Sheep is town.

PunishedBen posted...

Red is one of the quiet ones too as far as I'm concerned. I just didnt mention him because he at least has being poisoned going for him as something we can "prove" actually happened by Panth's flip

Red feeling quiet on day 2 is more concerning.

I hate to argue for my own lynch, here.... but one of the convincing arguments for keeping IGCD alive is that it should near-confirm Isquen when the night actions go down by a certain amount because he can't just... not act if he's scum RB. At least that's my thought process.

Also, reminder. Red didn't actually claim tracker either.

He claimed "he learns something about their role". But then said Mzero didn't go anywhere night 1.

He also didn't say anything about mzero until after mzero claimed a night 1 action to my recollection.

either sheep for the makes sense or red

pick your poison, igcd is not the play

Corrik7 posted...

He also didn't say anything about mzero until after mzero claimed a night 1 action to my recollection.

Not sure he said anything at all until I specifically asked him to.

But I don't remember if it's before or after MZero spoken