Board 8 > Elden Ring Mafia Topic 11 - Ranni's Ruse

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Crescent-Moon posted...

...Didn't Chris claim to have effectively seen Panthera visit someone day 2?

I don't know what you are referring to here Crescent.

red13n posted...

I don't know what you are referring to here Crescent.

You just claimed you saw Corrik "go nowhere"

You sound like you're claiming basically the same thing Chris did when he murdered Panthera.

...Did you drop any hints or anything at the time?

Crescent-Moon posted...

...Did you drop any hints or anything at the time?

What are you talking about. I targetted Corrik last night.

oh i totally thought the train of logic you were going for here was that panthera felt forced to claim poison doc because chris said he saw panth move n1.

But this scenario requires panth to have specifically not moved n1.

red13n posted...

What are you talking about. I targetted Corrik last night.

When Chris murdered Panthera, he claimed to see Panthera "move".

You seem to be claiming a role that should've countered this, or at the very least, dropped a hint about it.

changmas posted...

oh i totally thought the train of logic you were going for here was that panthera felt forced to claim poison doc because chris said he saw panth move n1.

But this scenario requires panth to have specifically not moved n1.

....And Panthera would have known Chris was lying, explaining how violent his reason was.

No Chang it's a good point I hadn't gotten there yet.

...I was on something else.

Violent his reaction was weeeee

but why would he admit to moving day 1 and make up a role that had him moving if he didn't actually move. why wouldn't he say I'm poison doc but i didn't move last night

Crescent-Moon posted...

When Chris murdered Panthera, he claimed to see Panthera "move".

You seem to be claiming a role that should've countered this, or at the very least, dropped a hint about it.

I have never claimed to be motion detector, Crescent. Also even in the case I was, were I to die it would show on flip. This logic is dumb.

that would reveal chris was lying for sure. but he didn't even say chris was lying about that. he had 3 text walls worth of flimsy reasoning but that wasn't one of them

red13n posted...

I have never claimed to be motion detector, Crescent. Also even in the case I was, were I to die it would show on flip. This logic is dumb.

You just claimed you know he "went nowhere"

You have not actually claimed what your result on MZero was.

You effectively claimed to have tracked Corrik, but Chris directly hinted a tracking role yesterday.

Well no not hinted he directly claimed it.

Crescent-Moon posted...

You just claimed you know he "went nowhere"

You have not actually claimed what your result on MZero was.

You effectively claimed to have tracked Corrik, but Chris directly hinted a tracking role yesterday.

Motion detector is not tracker, which apparently I've hinted too hard at this point. I tracked Mzero he went nowhere, I tracked Corrik he also went nowhere.

changmas posted...

that would reveal chris was lying for sure. but he didn't even say chris was lying about that. he had 3 text walls worth of flimsy reasoning but that wasn't one of them

It could be possible scum thought Chris was third party.

It's infuriating to be scum who's subject to a scan you know is fake.

changmas posted...

but why would he admit to moving day 1 and make up a role that had him moving if he didn't actually move. why wouldn't he say I'm poison doc but i didn't move last night

I mean he was pretty cooked as vanilla

Crescent-Moon posted...

It could be possible scum thought Chris was third party.

It's infuriating to be scum who's subject to a scan you know is fake.

oh yeah he was big mad lol

red13n posted...

Motion detector is not tracker, which apparently I've hinted too hard at this point. I tracked Mzero he went nowhere, I tracked Corrik he also went nowhere.

That's two very similar roles to not even drop a hint about.

Crescent-Moon posted...

That's two very similar roles to not even drop a hint about.

I have 0 reason to drop a hint, holy hell Crescent.

For one, not the same role. Two, if I flip, town can discuss the consequences of that. I've already told you this.

red13n posted...

I have 0 reason to drop a hint, holy hell Crescent.

Why would you unconditionally buy someone who effectively claimed tracker lite as tracker?

Why the fuck would I drop a hint when I'm masquerading as Miller.

Like, there's a 0% chance I just completely let that go without any sort of word on the matter.

I just don't understand why Panth would accept the fake premise from Chris "I saw you move last night" if he didn't actually move. Why would he not bring that up a single time? He has no reason to pretend to have moved! That's also the biggest ammunition he could have fired back at Chris!

red13n posted...

Why the fuck would I drop a hint when I'm masquerading as Miller.

That just makes it even easier to drop a hint. No one's going to take it too seriously.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Like, there's a 0% chance I just completely let that go without any sort of word on the matter.

Not my fault I'm a better player with keeping my roles to my chest than you.

Crescent-Moon posted...

That just makes it even easier to drop a hint. No one's going to take it too seriously.

I dont have a fucking reason to drop a hint. It just puts my scanning power at risk to no benefit.

changmas posted...

I just don't understand why Panth would accept the fake premise from Chris "I saw you move last night" if he didn't actually move. Why would he not bring that up a single time? He has no reason to pretend to have moved! That's also the biggest ammunition he could have fired back at Chris!

this is a pretty valid point. It is a bit unnatural. But red being scum would be funny

changmas posted...

I just don't understand why Panth would accept the fake premise from Chris "I saw you move last night" if he didn't actually move. Why would he not bring that up a single time? He has no reason to pretend to have moved! That's also the biggest ammunition he could have fired back at Chris!

Because it's Chris' word against his and his word meant absolutely nothing. Panthera was too little too late when it came to day 2.

Accusing Chris of faking the scan just makes it even more believable when Chris takes the scan back.

This is still way off in tin-foil-hat land though, really.

red13n posted...

Not my fault I'm a better player with keeping my roles to my chest than you.

Why would you trust someone who practically claimed your role?

It is very, very rare that I ever drop hints. Scum is the team that most often looks for hints(Unless they are aligned vigilante). Hints fly over towns head. Hints are for hiding and little else.

Actually come to think of it, Plum just did the same damned thing in FFXIV when he had an identical role to Chris and somehow said absolutely nothing, which made him a ridiculously easy mislynch at endgame.

....So we have precedent!

Crescent-Moon posted...

We should ask IGCD if someone sends in multiple actions in a single message, does it count as just one?

I'll ask.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Why would you trust someone who practically claimed your role?

No one claimed tracker. That is not practically claimed.

And at a certain point Panth became a necessary lynch to check on the town PoE(We either needed to blow it up or trust it, tbh).

i'm sorry i just can't believe it's in the realm of possibility that Panth would write 3 gigantic walls of text on why Chris is scum and wouldn't mention a single time that he didn't move and Chris faked the scan.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Actually come to think of it, Plum just did the same damned thing in FFXIV when he had an identical role to Chris and somehow said absolutely nothing, which made him a ridiculously easy mislynch at endgame.

....So we have precedent!

You got a newbie to stick a vote out prematurely.

Still though, this could resolved by another, very simple explanation. IGCD has said in some capacity that if someone uses two actions in a night they both count (As evidenced by when Chris technically had two actions claimed night 2.

What we need to know is:

Is this an absolute? Can scum get around this by having the same player submit two actions in the same night? I seem to recall IGCD suggesting it's on a per-action basis, not per player.

We need absolute confirmation that the same player sending in two actions counts twice, or we have a scenario where scum could've gotten around it by having the roleblocker kill on night 2.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Plum just did the same damned thing in FFXIV when he had an identical role to Chris and somehow said absolutely nothing, which made him a ridiculously easy mislynch at endgame.

It didn't help that you played me >:(

Crescent-Moon posted...

Still though, this could resolved by another, very simple explanation. IGCD has said in some capacity that if someone uses two actions in a night they both count (As evidenced by when Chris technically had two actions claimed night 2.

What we need to know is:

Is this an absolute? Can scum get around this by having the same player submit two actions in the same night? I seem to recall IGCD suggesting it's on a per-action basis, not per player.

We need absolute confirmation that the same player sending in two actions counts twice, or we have a scenario where scum could've gotten around it by having the roleblocker kill on night 2.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I'll ask.

we'll know soon enough

Also what are you talking about, plum had himself getting roleblocked.

Getting roleblocked was exactly what I had been trying to avoid.

Isquen posted...

It didn't help that you played me >:(

Plum seriously overvalued the power of my role and it helped quite a bit.

##unvote: red

I am tired, you guys can sort this out. Murdering scum when you've killed a lot of them can be oddly challenging in spots like this. It might be best to ignore igcd for a bit and just sort based on other things since we dont have perfect knowledge.

Also unless we got played by the sign, or you and Chris are 3P and scum, one of you is literally going down conspiracy rabbit hole of unfettered stupidity.

So forgive me for being a little angry.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Is this an absolute? Can scum get around this by having the same player submit two actions in the same night?

also doesn't this only fix things if they did it night 1? if they did it night 2 it would only make things worse.

and why would they do it night 1 if they don't know that IGCD's role exists

i needed an at least before one.

sheer luck?

changmas posted...

also doesn't this only fix things if they did it night 1? if they did it night 2 it would only make things worse.

and why would they do it night 1 if they don't know that IGCD's role exists

If they did it night 2, it makes an action "disappear" from night 2, and explains why night 1 had one extra.

Crescent-Moon posted...

If they did it night 2, it makes an action "disappear" from night 2, and explains why night 1 had one extra.

that only solves the problem of the two nights having unequal numbers of actions.

night 1 still has too many actions compared to IGCD. it doesn't solve the problem of there being 10 actions when IGCD claimed 9

Why did you make so much theatrics today, Red, when you already knew your scan cleared me?

I told you before this that you either already had me cleared or that your scan wasn't enough to clear me even if I claimed. What purpose did it serve if you truly wished to remain hidden?