Board 8 > Elden Ring Mafia Topic 11 - Ranni's Ruse

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Corrik7
03/29/22 12:11:12 AM
#101:


Has anyone checked to see if they were vote frozen lol.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/29/22 12:11:12 AM
#102:


Oh it was an either or not a both i see

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Crescent-Moon
03/29/22 12:12:11 AM
#103:


Corrik7 posted...
Has anyone checked to see if they were vote frozen lol.
If the last scum had the ability to absorb SBell's power after his death, he sure as hell isn't going to reveal that to us by using it here.

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Corrik7
03/29/22 12:12:16 AM
#104:


##unvote:
##vote: Red

##unvote:
##vote: Sheep

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Corrik7
03/29/22 12:12:40 AM
#105:


Crescent-Moon posted...
If the last scum had the ability to absorb SBell's power after his death, he sure as hell isn't going to reveal that to us by using it here.
Doesn't hurt to eliminate it as a possibility.

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Crescent-Moon
03/29/22 12:13:24 AM
#106:


Though I'm still not entirely convinced it's not just a 5/17 team and that the message writer isn't just scum and Ulti was essentially sacrificed to make them look like not scum.

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Corrik7
03/29/22 12:14:28 AM
#107:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Though I'm still not entirely convinced it's not just a 5/17 team and that the message writer isn't just scum and Ulti was essentially sacrificed to make them look like not scum.
Why would the message writer say there was an indy then

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IfGodCouldDie
03/29/22 12:15:18 AM
#108:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Though I'm still not entirely convinced it's not just a 5/17 team and that the message writer isn't just scum and Ulti was essentially sacrificed to make them look like not scum.
Didn't Ben try and claim he was the message writer/third party and is now backing off of that claim?

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Crescent-Moon
03/29/22 12:15:31 AM
#109:


By the way: Sheep and IGCD are both at 3, I believe.

And I'd very much like no additional votes on either of them right now. Rushing the day already almost completely screwed things up.

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IfGodCouldDie
03/29/22 12:15:36 AM
#110:


Corrik7 posted...
Why would the message writer say there was an indy then
To throw town off.

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Crescent-Moon
03/29/22 12:15:55 AM
#111:


Corrik7 posted...
Why would the message writer say there was an indy then
Who wants us to look for an indy?

An actual indy... Or scum?

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Corrik7
03/29/22 12:16:18 AM
#112:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
To throw town off.
Of what? They would lynch the indy as soon as he came out anyways just as they would scum. What does it exactly gain them?

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Crescent-Moon
03/29/22 12:16:31 AM
#113:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
Didn't Ben try and claim he was the message writer/third party and is now backing off of that claim?
Correct. Ben even claimed he set up Ulti to die before immediately backing off after.

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Crescent-Moon
03/29/22 12:17:18 AM
#114:


Corrik7 posted...
Of what? They would lynch the indy as soon as he came out anyways just as they would scum. What does it exactly gain them?
It's a distraction.

And it could be a pretty effective one, given how much indy talk we've thrown around when we've yet to decisively prove we have one.

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Corrik7
03/29/22 12:18:02 AM
#115:


Crescent-Moon posted...
It's a distraction.

And it could be a pretty effective one, given how much indy talk we've thrown around when we've yet to decisively prove we have one.
But it doesn't matter. If the scum at any point just claims indy message leaver or whatever then you would still lynch the scum. It effectively changes nothing.

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Crescent-Moon
03/29/22 12:18:42 AM
#116:


Chris feels quiet, which means he's either scum laughing hysterically or town having his brain explode at how much Red being scum fits what we know.

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DoomTheGyarados
03/29/22 12:20:30 AM
#117:


I am playing wow and a pug keeps wiping me, I am not surprised if red is scum tbh

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Crescent-Moon
03/29/22 12:21:58 AM
#118:


Corrik7 posted...
But it doesn't matter. If the scum at any point just claims indy message leaver or whatever then you would still lynch the scum. It effectively changes nothing.
We've been operating under the assumption that there's 4 scum when there could be 5.

If someone like Red or I were gambiting, that gambit would be significantly more powerful if town thought the game had one less scum than it did.

It's a distraction. It ultimately gives scum more options in how to play the game. It fits with a crazy gambit when people are assuming they are searching for the last scum.

I think it's foolish to completely discount the possibility that Ulti was essentially sacrificed, and I have seen games where Ulti has outright sacrificed scum vanillas before.

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Crescent-Moon
03/29/22 12:22:46 AM
#119:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
I am playing wow and a pug keeps wiping me, I am not surprised if red is scum tbh
You spent the first two days saying this feels outside of his scum norm louder than I have so...

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Crescent-Moon
03/29/22 12:24:26 AM
#120:


This theory also fits into why scum blocked Chang.

Scum did not in any way want to risk blocking the doctor.

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Crescent-Moon
03/29/22 12:24:46 AM
#121:


Well, the Red theory, not the tin foil about the message writer.

I kind of changed topics.

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red13n
03/29/22 12:25:06 AM
#122:


Me being scum is the stupidest conspiracy theory we've floated in awhile.

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Crescent-Moon
03/29/22 12:25:57 AM
#123:


red13n posted...
Me being scum is the stupidest conspiracy theory we've floated in awhile.
Yet it checks all the boxes.

I've been waiting for Chris to talk me off the ledge and he hasn't.


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red13n
03/29/22 12:26:26 AM
#124:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Yet it checks all the boxes.

Literally anything checks all the boxes. This just fits extra conspiracy.

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Crescent-Moon
03/29/22 12:27:34 AM
#125:


red13n posted...
Literally anything checks all the boxes. This just fits extra conspiracy.
Actually, if IGCD is town, very little checks all the boxes.

And this is the problem.


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red13n
03/29/22 12:29:04 AM
#126:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Actually, if IGCD is town, very little checks all the boxes.

And this is the problem.

They check the same "make things fit" as I do. Just with less conspiracy.

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Crescent-Moon
03/29/22 12:29:31 AM
#127:


Examples:

If we discount Chris using that instill night 2 as a lie, it just makes it worse.

If we say Marth acted night 1, it just makes it worse.

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red13n
03/29/22 12:31:11 AM
#128:


The likely answer is scum just has some way of breaking detection or IGCD is lying.

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PunishedBen
03/29/22 12:31:35 AM
#129:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Correct. Ben even claimed he set up Ulti to die before immediately backing off after.
I never ever claimed third party. And if I said the Ulti death was planned it was a joke in the very same post I told the truth. My first post of today

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DoomTheGyarados
03/29/22 12:32:15 AM
#130:


Red I want an exact full claim now or we're lynching you

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Corrik7
03/29/22 12:32:32 AM
#131:


Scum having a way to circumvent it if it truly exists has to be possible.

I am not against the possibility 1 scum can do more than one action themselves.

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DoomTheGyarados
03/29/22 12:33:26 AM
#132:


Corrik7 posted...
Scum having a way to circumvent it if it truly exists has to be possible.

I am not against the possibility 1 scum can do more than one action themselves.

it's a role that is not supremely useful if scum isnt super dead

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Crescent-Moon
03/29/22 12:33:50 AM
#133:


red13n posted...
They check the same "make things fit" as I do. Just with less conspiracy.
The point is to discuss all possibilities before coming to a conclusion.

We've willfully ignored an action as it is on both nights for... Some probably really bad reason.

Now we have an extra action night 1. Someone other than Marth had to have acted night 2, but not night 1, to resolve this, if both you and IGCD are town.

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red13n
03/29/22 12:34:04 AM
#134:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Red I want an exact full claim now or we're lynching you

I am a town scanner that scanned Mzero and then scanned Corrik and Corrik has claimed something that lines up with his scan.

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DoomTheGyarados
03/29/22 12:34:44 AM
#135:


red13n posted...
I am a town scanner that scanned Mzero and then scanned Corrik and Corrik has claimed something that lines up with his scan.

##unvote:
##Vote: Red



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red13n
03/29/22 12:34:47 AM
#136:


Nothing else I say should have any relevance, so not sure what you are on about.

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Corrik7
03/29/22 12:34:55 AM
#137:


But did Mzeros night 1 action line up with your scan.

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Crescent-Moon
03/29/22 12:35:05 AM
#138:


Corrik7 posted...
Scum having a way to circumvent it if it truly exists has to be possible.

I am not against the possibility 1 scum can do more than one action themselves.
We should ask IGCD if someone sends in multiple actions in a single message, does it count as just one?

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Crescent-Moon
03/29/22 12:35:59 AM
#139:


(But really who isn't using the scum vanilla to send a kill night 1?)

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DoomTheGyarados
03/29/22 12:37:01 AM
#140:


I am just sick of not getting what I want so let's murder red tbh

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red13n
03/29/22 12:37:35 AM
#141:


Chris you better be scum if this is somehow a real play.

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DoomTheGyarados
03/29/22 12:37:43 AM
#142:


claim or die

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red13n
03/29/22 12:37:50 AM
#143:


I did.

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DoomTheGyarados
03/29/22 12:38:20 AM
#144:


what did you get from corrik?

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Crescent-Moon
03/29/22 12:38:40 AM
#145:


Actually this theory requires the poisoner didn't act either, They wouldn't have known this on night 1.

Scum would've had no objective reason to have SBell or Red double up on actions and get absolutely destroyed if caught.

But they would've known this on night 2, and could've had the RB do the kill and the block together... Potentially reducing the numbers of actions by 1, and explaining this disprency.

We need to hear from IGCD again.

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red13n
03/29/22 12:38:58 AM
#146:


I know that his role went nowhere.

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changmas
03/29/22 12:39:29 AM
#147:


isn't this infinitely more complicated and unlikely than IGCD just faking observer and making up a reasonably believable number of actions

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Crescent-Moon
03/29/22 12:39:53 AM
#148:


red13n posted...
I know that his role went nowhere.
...Didn't Chris claim to have effectively seen Panthera visit someone day 2?

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Crescent-Moon
03/29/22 12:40:21 AM
#149:


changmas posted...
isn't this infinitely more complicated and unlikely than IGCD just faking observer and making up a reasonably believable number of actions
Yep.

And it's why we have to discuss this out now.

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DoomTheGyarados
03/29/22 12:40:26 AM
#150:


changmas posted...
isn't this infinitely more complicated and unlikely than IGCD just faking observer and making up a reasonably believable number of actions

I am inclined to say no

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