Board 8 > Elden Ring Mafia Topic 9: Lake of Rot

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PunishedBen posted...

I didnt think it had to be third party in scum's eyes as long as i was claiming it. Some people believed me that it was town.

Unless it was just a scum role writing the messages, in which case, yes this was all for nothing!

It couldn't be town with knowing an indy existed. Informed of the setup and having night 0 actions? Yeah okay. It was an educated guess based on being yourself indy.

##Rate: Bad

Stinkin' Borrik

Then I guess it was a bad play. Whatever. It was fun. That is the main reason I do anything. Something good could have come out of it. It kinda bought me an extra day and we lynched Panthera before he could poison twice, so that's nice

You framed it as bad votes gave scum powers and good votes gave town powers too. When it likely was good gives more powers and bad gives no powers or even weakens. It was a honeypot scheme the entire time. Me and red said all game not to trust it.

That's not how I framed it. I said more good = better powers and that bad does nothing

I was just hoping that more good would end in something good for town. It was a guess and just going for it like everything surrounding the claim

PunishedBen posted...

Then I guess it was a bad play. Whatever. It was fun. That is the main reason I do anything. Something good could have come out of it. It kinda bought me an extra day and we lynched Panthera before he could poison twice, so that's nice

Like if you are actually town that did something that stupid then I have no words right now. I don't believe you are that dumb. There is literally no benefit from it. It distracted only town, hid the indy, and let scum effectively ignore you completely. I mean, if you claimed town power, I could maybe have saw the angle. But as vanilla? Not a chance. You are just 3rd party who thought enough people thought you were straight up town to get away with this after ulti splattered. I asked yesterday if you knew what your powers were. You said no. But you assured they were pro town if rated good. Didn't make sense then. The only thing that makes sense is that you needed to be rated good to get stronger.

PunishedBen posted...

I was just hoping that more good would end in something good for town. It was a guess and just going for it like everything surrounding the claim

I literally told you this doesn't make any sense. It has to be some sort of conditional for the likely 3rd party.

You at least could have had the mindset as town to say I thought by making them think I was the third party they might ignore me and accidentally land on the actual 3rd party to help town. But, you aren't town, so you can't even see that angle to think of it as a defense.

Also Ben changed his claim as last scum alive because claiming 3p gave him 0% chance to win. It all makes sense tbh

I'd argue it did none of those things. But if you're town then yes I guess you better get to accepting that I did something that stupid

I don't think it makes that much sense.

I can't make it make sense as scum either. Like, maybe to get them to out themselves when they are like wtf so scum knew who was their hidden potential buddy? But, that requires hoping they wouldn't actually counterclaim and all hell breaking loose then. It's messy.

Though I'm going to be honest, I'm definitely completely sidetracked by Corriks lack of claim here. He knows as much as anyone that now really is just claim time.

Okay well you guys have fun. I am going to sleep and then be low effort today. Knock em dead

red13n posted...

Though I'm going to be honest, I'm definitely completely sidetracked by Corriks lack of claim here. He knows as much as anyone that now really is just claim time.

It doesn't benefit town. If I assess it does, I will claim. Until then, you can be distracted all game or just accept it. That's on you, red.

Corrik has pushed for killing me, "the third party" harder than anyone all game. Only concerned with that since day 2 over finding scum. That is the main reason why I don't think he's town

PunishedBen posted...

Corrik has pushed for killing me, "the third party" harder than anyone all game. Only concerned with that since day 2 over finding scum. That is the main reason why I don't think he's town

And I pushed to lynch the claimed unlynchable too day 1. I am pushing the smartest lynchs everyday instead of the gambles.

I was voting Ulti yesterday and the entire game ignored me.

Corrik7 posted...

It doesn't benefit town. If I assess it does, I will claim. Until then, you can be distracted all game or just accept it. That's on you, red.

I disagree with your assessment.

red13n posted...

I disagree with your assessment.

Well, we will have to digress to the person who has the role to make that judgment call.

Hell I actually think you are town but you hiding things at this point could be more damaging than good.

Corrik7 posted...

And I pushed to lynch the claimed unlynchable too day 1. I am pushing the smartest lynchs everyday instead of the gambles.

I was voting Ulti yesterday and the entire game ignored me.

Probably because you weren't pushing it very hard then? I certainly don't even remember you were voting Ulti or why you were voting Ulti. He's also what they call in the industry, a splinter vote. Very easy to end a day bussing on

red13n posted...

Hell I actually think you are town but you hiding things at this point could be more damaging than good.

Then if you believe that then just trust me. Got work stuff to do then I am doing a re-read of the game with the added benefit of 3 scum flips.

I am not a trusting person. Everyone should know that.

PunishedBen posted...

Probably because you weren't pushing it very hard then? I certainly don't even remember you were voting Ulti or why you were voting Ulti. He's also what they call in the industry, a splinter vote. Very easy to end a day bussing on

I didn't end the day on him just like I didn't end it on Chang day 1. But I tried both on differing days. I ended on Crescent and panth out of preservation day 2 who I did not want to vote.

That said, my scare vote day 1 was literally me picking a random name out of a group to see what would happen. I was curious to see what Chris did specifically.

Trusted panth day one, red. Oops

Corrik7 posted...

I didn't end the day on him just like I didn't end it on Chang day 1. But I tried both on differing days. I ended on Crescent and panth out of preservation day 2 who I did not want to vote.

That said, my scare vote day 1 was literally me picking a random name out of a group to see what would happen. I was curious to see what Chris did specifically.

Always down for adventure

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Always down for adventure

Except you didn't really adventure. You went there and stopped. I expected more adventuring to be honest. It's why I came out strong day 2 on you being scum until the weird vote freeze bodyguard nonsense. Then I was like fuck he's town. Then I realized that meant nothing later on.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Trusted panth day one, red. Oops

I have a habit of trusting those that come after me. No one has taken advantage of that in awhile.

Corrik7 posted...

Like if you are actually town that did something that stupid then I have no words right now. I don't believe you are that dumb. There is literally no benefit from it. It distracted only town, hid the indy, and let scum effectively ignore you completely. I mean, if you claimed town power, I could maybe have saw the angle. But as vanilla? Not a chance. You are just 3rd party who thought enough people thought you were straight up town to get away with this after ulti splattered. I asked yesterday if you knew what your powers were. You said no. But you assured they were pro town if rated good. Didn't make sense then. The only thing that makes sense is that you needed to be rated good to get stronger.

So here you are saying there is no way scum would have thought I was town power and targeted me, but also saying that my play only makes sense if I'm town power.

Yeah that was part of my intention. But you contradict yourself. You're just trying to get me lynched, not actually giving an honest opinion on what you think my angle is

Oh wait you're saying if I was town power then I did the right thing because scum is now ignoring me.

Never mind. I read it wrong. Carry on

I guess the part we disagree on is that I didn't think scum would ignore me at night if they didn't have a better choice in other ousted town powers. And if the message guy was on their side, even better chances they shoot me

I said it at least once yesterday, there was no way in hell that scum would be touching you at all.

At the end of the day Corrik still remains the most impossible player for me to read, who I always try to scan as soon I can

We don't even need to read Corrik at this point, a claim would likely suffice to decipher the rest of the game.

Before I go re-read, Red, as having claimed already supposedly, are you sticking to Miller and have you given a flavor?

I am a miller unless I'm crazy I havent given flavor.

Also I am 40 posts in and Ben has already cemented me being sure he is 3p. Adamant to rate good. Mentions jumping in future messages. Like, seriously? Also knew right away a player wrote it when it didn't seem certain to me at that point it wasn't a host related thing.

He also says "he will rethink his strategy" if a jumping message comes in the future. Like... on the nose much?

What were you expecting me to say, that I'm some sort of flavor/role cop awaiting your claim for confirmation?

red13n posted...

What were you expecting me to say, that I'm some sort of flavor/role cop awaiting your claim for confirmation?

Uh, no? I was asking if you had claimed since you keep saying I am holding the game back by not claiming.

You are in fact holding the game back by not claiming.

red13n posted...

I said it at least once yesterday, there was no way in hell that scum would be touching you at all.

Maybe so. But you must understand my chances of getting touched were even lower at the end of day 1. So this seemed like there was a chance at making those odds better.

My goal since post 1 was to try to do what you did in the last game, only in a completely different way because if I did it the same way I thought it would be clear what I was doing

And Chang accurately called that I was a vanilla at the end of day 1. That is why I was willing to do something drastic

I don't feel like anything I did last game fell beyond being fairly basic.

I think it is a bit impossible to find me and ulti scum together this game. I talk about this later in the game but Ulti tends to endear to who he believes is the strongest player in the game to help protect them from a lynch in the game. He does this as Town and Scum a lot so it isn't really indicative as his alignment, but as Scum he generally isn't going to choose a teammate to do this with. He went hard sucking up to me early in the game.

UltimaterializerX 3/21/2022 8:27:47 PM
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undefined posted...

I did a perspective slip last game that I caught but no one else did.

Youre also better than almost everyone else at hiding your alignment so it didnt matter much. Without the broken mason stuff you probably would have won.

Also, are we actually voting with this rate thing or is that just the host having fun?

UltimaterializerX 3/21/2022 11:00:46 PM
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Rate: Why is it always dog?

Also, the people who dont like playing with Corrik need to get over themselves. He is objectively an A+ player.

Corrik going to drive me insane before this day is over.

Scum that are good generally avoid rule of 3. That said Sbell is rusty and hadn't played in awhile. Also, scum who do fall into the rule generally put the scum in the middle of the 3. Or first. Rarely the last spot because it looks tacked on. I'd guess moreso this was a rule of 3 itself. It's a good look for Sultan at least. Sbell has also been bussing Ulti hard generally all game to this point. I remember Ulti welcoming bussing of him as scum and being willing to off himself willingly as needed to make teammates look good if his scum power isn't vital. He was Scum Vanilla.

Obellisk 3/22/2022 7:39:20 AM
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morning... 8 pages ehh? guess it could be worse.

remembering my issues with mafia games...

Anyway, quick glance, Crescent has a lot to say. she's involved on like every page over the course of what 9 hours? I don't believe scum crescent puts that much effort into day 1.

Ulti made 1 post and it was a personal attack on people not liking corrik... so he's probably scum.

Sultan as both town and scum, long ago, was always hesitant with what he posted and came across like he didn't know if it was a good idea. it could go either way but I'll say he starts off looking pretty scummy but openly acknowledge that is big gamble of a mislynch.

I had more than one snide comment. and I didn't dip out, I went to bed.

Sultan questions why scum ulti would stick up for scum corrik in the game at the end of topic 1. Town assessment.

Crescent is town or Sbell and Ulti were both laying into her as scum teammates. I can't see her being willing to go along with it as Ulti. I do know Sbell used to love faking big arguments with Spiral when they were scum together. But, he satisfies this with Ulti sorta this game.