Poll of the Day > U.S. Senate approves bill that would make Daylight Savings Time permanent

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https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-senate-daylight/u-s-senate-approves-bill-that-would-make-daylight-savings-time-permanent-in-2023-idUSL2N2VI21J

Who was that guy who said the other day that DST was important for people with "real jobs"?

I'd prefer it to be permanently the other way

I dont care so much how we get rid of it, just THAT we get rid of it.

Metalsonic66 posted...

I'd prefer it to be permanently the other way

Why? I personally think it's better to have the sun up later. Also the sun coming up later in the Summer is nice, would suck the sun rising super early.

Nothing in law is permanent.

Notschmendrake posted...

I dont care so much how we get rid of it, just THAT we get rid of it.

This.

Ogurisama posted...

Why? I personally think it's better to have the sun up later. Also the sun coming up later in the Summer is nice, would suck the sun rising super early.

I just don't like changing it

Ogurisama posted...

Why? I personally think it's better to have the sun up later. Also the sun coming up later in the Summer is nice, would suck the sun rising super early.

So we end on gaining an hour instead of losing one I'm guessing

I agree too, that extra hour is nice

Kill it already!

Even if it'll be Bidens only achievement while in office, sign it!!

Metalsonic66 posted...

I just don't like changing it

sounds like a good reason to (not) do something

Ogurisama posted...

Why? I personally think it's better to have the sun up later. Also the sun coming up later in the Summer is nice, would suck the sun rising super early.

Depends on where in a time zone you live. If you live on the left edge of a time zone, where you functionally should be in the next time zone over, it makes more sense to drop it permanently rather than making DST permanent.

Fam_Fam posted...

sounds like a good reason to (not) do something

Exactly

Automatic daylight saving time adjustment software get fucked

Is most of the world in DST, or, out of DST?

I prefer regular time over daylight savings time because it gives me an extra hour of sleep. No offense to those who want extra daylight in the summertime but I'll take the extra hour of sleep every time. If they can find a way to keep the extra hour of sleep lost when it changes to daylight savings time, then I'd be all for it but until they do, I want to keep the time as it is.

Vitamin D on the way!!!!

GastroFan posted...

I prefer regular time over daylight savings time because it gives me an extra hour of sleep. No offense to those who want extra daylight in the summertime but I'll take the extra hour of sleep every time. If they can find a way to keep the extra hour of sleep lost when it changes to daylight savings time, then I'd be all for it but until they do, I want to keep the time as it is.

I dont understand how this would affect your sleep

sveksii posted...

Depends on where in a time zone you live. If you live on the left edge of a time zone, where you functionally should be in the next time zone over, it makes more sense to drop it permanently rather than making DST permanent.

Oh, please. Time zones aren't exactly straight lines anyway.

Judgmenl posted...

Also the vote was unanimous.

It's pretty much been inevitable for years. The whole point of Bush passing the law that changed the difference from being 6/6 to 8/4 was specifically meant to get people used to the idea of eventually making it a permanent thing without the twice-yearly shift.

The idea is to get people used to the idea of the "off" period being shorter and shorter, until you do away with it entirely. And if you do it over a long enough period of time, people will adjust and are less likely to complain as much. See the metaphor about the frog in a pot of boiling water.

It's still going to cause confusion as long as other nations continue to use it though (and a lot do), at least online (for things where time calculations matter). And Arizona's still going to be a mess unless they realign as well (because they've got their own weird thing going on right now).

I'm not particular whether it's permanent or abolished, just so long as it's one or the other

jsb0714 posted...

Oh, please. Time zones aren't exactly straight lines anyway.

They're also worse for people who live on the west side of them than they are for people on the east side of them.

The entire concept of time zones is absolutely terrible. Unfortunately they're also kind of necessary in a globalized world where information travels at the speed of light.



shadowsword87 posted...

Is most of the world in DST, or, out of DST?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time

There's a picture on that page that shows who does and who doesn't. You may notice an overarching trend.

dst is weird here... there's been votes to shut it down, but the options are "keep it" or "we're -6 timezone" when the fast majority of people here want to keep the -7 timezone

ParanoidObsessive posted...

It's pretty much been inevitable for years. The whole point of Bush passing the law that changed the difference from being 6/6 to 8/4 was specifically meant to get people used to the idea of eventually making it a permanent thing without the twice-yearly shift.

The idea is to get people used to the idea of the "off" period being shorter and shorter, until you do away with it entirely. And if you do it over a long enough period of time, people will adjust and are less likely to complain as much. See the metaphor about the frog in a pot of boiling water.

It's still going to cause confusion as long as other nations continue to use it though (and a lot do), at least online (for things where time calculations matter). And Arizona's still going to be a mess unless they realign as well (because they've got their own weird thing going on right now).

I prefer my much worse idea of reducing DST by 5 minutes every year. So instead of an hour, it's 55 minutes, then, 50 minutes, and so on!

Sadly this will be the best thing any administration has done in my adult lifetime (last 30 years).

I mean, will that make Biden my favorite president?

The problem if you make Daylight Savings Time permanent is we end up with sunrise at almost 9 am in winter. On the other hand, if you got rid of DST, you'd have sunrise at 4 am in the summer. It's a no-win situation.

captpackrat posted...

we end up with sunrise at almost 9 am in winter

No problems with this.

captpackrat posted...

The problem if you make Daylight Savings Time permanent is we end up with sunrise at almost 9 am in winter. On the other hand, if you got rid of DST, you'd have sunrise at 4 am in the summer. It's a no-win situation.

I'd generally prefer dawn to come earlier in summer rather than later in winter, mainly because winter is already a cold dark miserable time when depression is soaring, so getting up early to go to work in total darkness sucks more than dawn just coming really early in summer.

I might feel differently if I lived somewhere where roosters were crowing at dawn, or where it's so hot that it would mean the day would already be unbearably hot by like 8am, but I don't.

captpackrat posted...

The problem if you make Daylight Savings Time permanent is we end up with sunrise at almost 9 am in winter. On the other hand, if you got rid of DST, you'd have sunrise at 4 am in the summer. It's a no-win situation.

Time is just a number

More companies should make their hours more flexible to account for this

Should be permanent for Standard time. Does this have to pass through the Senate and Pres first?

Metalsonic66 posted...

More companies should make their hours more flexible to account for this

Indeed.
One of the byproducts of COVID was more flexible working hours.

Metalsonic66 posted...

I'd prefer it to be permanently the other way

Yeah, don't doctors recommend that it be the other way around? Makes sense government would want exactly the opposite thing because fucking government.

i never know what time it is anyway

Why do conservatives want permanent Standard Time?

Judgmenl posted...

Why do conservatives want permanent Standard Time?

Judgmentl thinks all doctors are conservatives, apparently. What a fucked up worldview.

https://www.news10.com/news/aasm-doctors-dont-support-daylight-saving-time/\

On March 13, most of the U.S. will spring their clocks forward one hour for the start of daylight saving time. However, sleep physicians at the American Academy of Sleep Medicine would rather see the U.S. turn to fixed, standard time year-round.

Although Jud's remark is even fucking stupider when you consider conservatives voted for permanent DST

I'm very happy. Most people don't understand what they're saying when they say "end DST!" and actually want sun later in the day. Glad the Senate did the right thing this time.
Sun in the morning beaming into my half-awake eyes sucks. Pitch dark in the evening when I finally have free time sucks, too.

Zazabar posted...

Should be permanent for Standard time. Does this have to pass through the Senate and Pres first?

It passed the Senate, 100-0, which is frankly insane. House is controlled by Dems, so it should be easy to pass, and Biden's not gonna bother opposing a veto-proof super majority, even if he doesn't like it.
It becoming law is just a formality at this point.
Unfortunately, we still have to revert to Inferior Time this November, b/c the bill doesn't take effect until Nov 2023.

streamofthesky posted...

I'm very happy. Most people don't understand what they're saying when they say "end DST!" and actually want sun later in the day. Glad the Senate did the right thing this time.
Sun in the morning beaming into my half-awake eyes sucks. Pitch dark in the evening when I finally have free time sucks, too.

streamofthesky posted...

Unfortunately, we still have to revert to Inferior Time this November, b/c the bill doesn't take effect until Nov 2023.

Anti-science and anti-medicine. Wrong side of history, bro.

I've never liked DST - I wish they would just do away it,

Ogurisama posted...

Why? I personally think it's better to have the sun up later. Also the sun coming up later in the Summer is nice, would suck the sun rising super early.

the sun doesn't set to what time your clock shows

streamofthesky posted...

I'm very happy. Most people don't understand what they're saying when they say "end DST!" and actually want sun later in the day. Glad the Senate did the right thing this time.
Sun in the morning beaming into my half-awake eyes sucks. Pitch dark in the evening when I finally have free time sucks, too.

It passed the Senate, 100-0, which is frankly insane. House is controlled by Dems, so it should be easy to pass, and Biden's not gonna bother opposing a veto-proof super majority, even if he doesn't like it.
It becoming law is just a formality at this point.
Unfortunately, we still have to revert to Inferior Time this November, b/c the bill doesn't take effect until Nov 2023.

Nobody cares. It was introduced for no reason and has no real use.

Notschmendrake posted...

I dont care so much how we get rid of it, just THAT we get rid of it.

Agreed. Though, honestly, the winter time worked better. Maybe it's so that it lines up better with timezones or something.

I'm going to take the radical position that we eliminate all time zones and switch to UTC.

That's not radical at all.

I guess it doesnt matter as much to me. Doesnt make much of a difference in my life personally. Between the two, if I had to choose, Id choose the winter time. But only because its a 6 hours difference from Zulu time (as opposed to 5 right now). And thats the easier math for me to transfer since Im use to it. Also, probably whichever time has the sun rising later, I guess. Mornings suck Im a night owl, though Other than that, nothing else really matters to me. Not like I have to change any clocks manually anymore

ParanoidObsessive posted...

I'd generally prefer dawn to come earlier in summer rather than later in winter, mainly because winter is already a cold dark miserable time when depression is soaring, so getting up early to go to work in total darkness sucks more than dawn just coming really early in summer.

Im the opposite. I love the night, and really hate mornings. So, Id be fine with a little more night between the 2. Plus, it might make roads worse, which could mean more administrative leave

Metalsonic66 posted...

More companies should make their hours more flexible to account for this

If this were the case, Id rather keep DST rather than change my work hours throughout the year Unlike the stay at home people, I go to my job (and like it). Id rather not have to worry about being early or late because my actual hours change That said, even if I had to stay home and work, I still couldnt be late

KodyKeir posted...

I'm going to take the radical position that we eliminate all time zones and switch to UTC.

Not really radical. But it would kind of suck

captpackrat posted...

The problem if you make Daylight Savings Time permanent is we end up with sunrise at almost 9 am in winter. On the other hand, if you got rid of DST, you'd have sunrise at 4 am in the summer. It's a no-win situation.

Yeah. Seems like it Switching between the two seemed to try to keep the daytime around the same time year round

Not 100% what I wanted (I'd prefer Standard time being, well, standard) but any measure to end time switching is well overdue.

Just fall back by 30 minutes one final time to "balance" it all out.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

I'd generally prefer dawn to come earlier in summer rather than later in winter, mainly because winter is already a cold dark miserable time when depression is soaring, so getting up early to go to work in total darkness sucks more than dawn just coming really early in summer.

Pretty much. The absolute worst was when I had an 8 am class on mondays and would start walking at ~7:15 to get there. All of January? Dark. February? Mostly dark, but starting to get a bit lighter as the month went on, which continued into the first week of March so I could actually say the sun was up by the time I arrived. And then DST hit and it became 100% dark again. It genuinely took me a month to recover from what that did to my circadian rhythm. It was so miserable.

Meanwhile, if the sun comes up early? Buy blackout curtains and the problem's solved. It's a lot easier to fix that issue than it is to fix the issue of my soul refusing to get out of bed with me because it's too dark. On the flip side, more daylight in the evening is nice, but given that it's too cold in the winter to do much outside anyway, I'm not too broken up by it getting dark earlier.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

or where it's so hot that it would mean the day would already be unbearably hot by like 8am

In practice, I think ditching the time change should entail each state (or possibly even county, for some of the larger states) choosing which time zone they want to join, in which case they can alleviate that issue by picking a time zone that puts "high noon" (in terms of solar position) later in the day. That could potentially get a bit confusing, since it'd make time zone lines even more erratic than they already are, but people would get used to it eventually.

adjl posted...

Pretty much. The absolute worst was when I had an 8 am class on mondays and would start walking at ~7:15 to get there. All of January? Dark. February? Mostly dark, but starting to get a bit lighter as the month went on, which continued into the first week of March so I could actually say the sun was up by the time I arrived. And then DST hit and it became 100% dark again. It genuinely took me a month to recover from what that did to my circadian rhythm. It was so miserable.

Meanwhile, if the sun comes up early? Buy blackout curtains and the problem's solved. It's a lot easier to fix that issue than it is to fix the issue of my soul refusing to get out of bed with me because it's too dark. On the flip side, more daylight in the evening is nice, but given that it's too cold in the winter to do much outside anyway, I'm not too broken up by it getting dark earlier.

In practice, I think ditching the time change should entail each state (or possibly even county, for some of the larger states) choosing which time zone they want to join, in which case they can alleviate that issue by picking a time zone that puts "high noon" (in terms of solar position) later in the day. That could potentially get a bit confusing, since it'd make time zone lines even more erratic than they already are, but people would get used to it eventually.

.........."could potentially" get a "bit" confusing if each state/county picked their own time zones? >_>

They've been saying they're going to get rid of it for decades and haven't. I'll believe it when it happens.

Johnny Eagle posted...

.........."could potentially" get a "bit" confusing if each state/county picked their own time zones? >_>

Welcome to the Chinese Time Zone.
Where it's all in China time, don't question what the neighbors are doing.