Poll of the Day > Think its Ok/Moral to have Kids...

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pionear
03/09/22 10:32:23 AM
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Which One?



If you think you're going to die within 10 years?
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kind9
03/09/22 10:34:33 AM
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I'm an antinatalist debate me and loose

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Veedrock-
03/09/22 10:34:54 AM
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Lokarin
03/09/22 10:35:08 AM
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Sure it's ok, but it's not a morality issue. Having kids is just a fundamental bodily function... is it moral to poop?

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Kyuubi4269
03/09/22 10:42:31 AM
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Lokarin posted...
Sure it's ok, but it's not a morality issue. Having kids is just a fundamental bodily function... is it moral to poop?

It's immoral to shit on a table in a Wendy's, so you can apply situational morality like this.

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Jen0125
03/09/22 10:43:00 AM
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Lokarin posted...
Sure it's ok, but it's not a morality issue. Having kids is just a fundamental bodily function... is it moral to poop?

Having kids is not a fundamental bodily function lmao. It's entirely optional and has a real affect on the planet and society. It's not anything like popping. Lok, I like you but you seriously have the most brain dead takes of anyone on this board sometimes.
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Lokarin
03/09/22 10:48:37 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
It's immoral to shit on a table in a Wendy's, so you can apply situational morality like this.

Ya, I agree -it's immoral to have a baby on a Wendy's table, too

Jen0125 posted...
I like you

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Gaawa_chan
03/09/22 10:51:13 AM
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I... guess it would depend on a few more pieces of information.

Are we talking about ourselves specifically, or some other hypothetical person? I don't want children. I also hold the belief that children deserve to be wanted. Because I do not want children, if I had a child and kept it, I would, by my own standards, be behaving unethically. For similar reasons, I assume the person in this scenario is expected to keep the child instead of giving them up for adoption, because otherwise the timer on the parent's head is irrelevant.

Then there are other issues. Would the child have a large support system? Is the parent economically stable? Is whatever is going to kill the parent in this scenario inheritable? Etc, etc...

So... assuming the person in the scenario is me, no, I would not consider it to be ethical. Assuming it was someone else? It would still depend on a variety of factors, but I admit that I perhaps take the concept of bringing a human being into the world more seriously than the average person.

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Judgmenl
03/09/22 10:53:12 AM
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Child rearing is an act of greed.

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Gaawa_chan
03/09/22 10:58:07 AM
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Judgmenl posted...
Child rearing is an act of greed.
Hmm, not always, though. I've met people who did not want children (oh boy they did not want children and it really showed) but they thought they were morally obligated to have children. Oof. I don't think that can be classified as greed, as satisfying their personal desire for something... but I'm not sure what to classify it as, mostly because I haven't slept for quite a long time and my brain is shutting down, I think? Anyway, one of you can figure that out, I'm sure.

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adjl
03/09/22 11:07:48 AM
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The morality is debatable, but there's a pretty strong case for calling it irresponsible. <10-year-olds still need quite a bit of parenting, so if you know you're not going to be there for it, you're taking on that responsibility fully expecting that you won't be fulfilling it and somebody else will have to pick up your slack. If you organize that yourself ahead of time by finding somebody willing to take over, I'd say that makes it okay, but otherwise you're just dumping a kid on somebody else.

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Nichtcrawler X
03/09/22 11:54:31 AM
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Jen0125 posted...
Having kids is not a fundamental bodily function lmao. It's entirely optional and has a real affect on the planet and society. It's not anything like pooping. Lok, I like you but you seriously have the most brain dead takes of anyone on this board sometimes.

Depends on how you look at it. Biologically, our main function is to produce new units with slightly mixed genomes. Yes, evolution has potentially resulted in additional functions, but the main one remains to survive long enough and produce off-spring.

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Lokarin
03/09/22 11:55:29 AM
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also just because it's optional doesn't mean it's not fundamental

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Jen0125
03/09/22 12:00:55 PM
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Lokarin posted...
also just because it's optional doesn't mean it's not fundamental

Fundamental would mean it's a necessary core process of your body. It's not. It's an evolutionary drive. If it was a fundamental process for your body infertile people wouldn't survive.
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Lokarin
03/09/22 12:02:16 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Fundamental would mean it's a necessary core process of your body. It's not. It's an evolutionary drive. If it was a fundamental process for your body infertile people wouldn't survive.

ok, we just have different definitions of fundamental is all

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Blightzkrieg
03/09/22 12:03:55 PM
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That's the best time to have kids, gives you a chance at creating Batman

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wolfy42
03/09/22 12:11:45 PM
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I believe it is not, hence me not having kids once I hit 40 (even though I have always wanted to be a dad, just not a dead dad).

I'm ok with possibly meeting someone who has kids already, especially if they are a bit older (9 or more), since i would just be adding to their lives.

I believe (strongly) that if you have children it is your responsibility to make their life as happy/good as possible and to be there for them until they are adults (not just 18) and ready/able to take care of themselves. Having kids and not taking responsibility for them is cruel and depending on their life can basically be torturing someone, forcing them to live in a world with nobody that cares for them and possibly suffering most of their lives (ending up in jail etc).

You have the ability to have sex without having kids, if you do have a child and then abandon them, that is pretty horrible.

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sodium-chloride
03/09/22 12:22:45 PM
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I don't think there is a good reason to have children in this period of humanity. In the past you'd have kids to help you live your life, and even that is kind of a greedy concept. Choosing to reproduce today is inherently selfish and while not immoral, there isn't anything morally redeeming about it.
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wolfy42
03/09/22 12:28:51 PM
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sodium-chloride posted...
I don't think there is a good reason to have children in this period of humanity. In the past you'd have kids to help you live your life, and even that is kind of a greedy concept. Choosing to reproduce today is inherently selfish and while not immoral, there isn't anything morally redeeming about it.


I mean I would have always been down to adopt instead of having my own children, but having kids, if you feel like your life is secure enough and you can protect them and give them a good life, can be a joyous thing for both you, and your children. Long as you can give them a good life, full of more joy than pain, happiness than sadness and prepare them for the world, then having kids can be a great thing, even in todays (in my opinion overpopulated) world.

More good people in the world the better. There are certainly plenty of greedy/bad/evil etc people out there, so if you can raise some children who care about others, are responsible, and work to make the world better, you are doing something great.

The problem is Idiocracy was right, and not just about IQ levels, but also about how likely it is for selfish people to have children over people who care about others. Same general rules apply. Selfish people will be more likely to have multiple kids, while those who truly care about the children and want what is best for them probably only have a few (obviously there are exceptions and religion can also play a role in that).

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Muscles
03/09/22 12:38:47 PM
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People die unexpectedly every day, even if you think you'll die in 10 years it really could be tomorrow by something unrelated

So yeah, you take the risk of making orphans regardless

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wwinterj25
03/09/22 1:53:57 PM
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I believe it's fine.

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sodium-chloride
03/09/22 2:43:31 PM
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wolfy42 posted...
More good people in the world the better. There are certainly plenty of greedy/bad/evil etc people out there, so if you can raise some children who care about others, are responsible, and work to make the world better, you are doing something great.

Honestly what would make the world better is having no humans at all. We have done nothing to benefit this planet and the future looks grim based on how the last century (and the last few years) have gone.
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Sage_assassin20
03/09/22 2:55:54 PM
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The entire point off offspring is to carry your genes into the future.
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Nichtcrawler X
03/09/22 3:02:29 PM
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sodium-chloride posted...
Honestly what would make the world better is having no humans at all. We have done nothing to benefit this planet and the future looks grim based on how the last century (and the last few years) have gone.

The 90's was filled with Anim villains who had that mindset.

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DangerCaged
03/09/22 3:19:25 PM
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Is this a real poll?

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Zareth
03/09/22 3:38:07 PM
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I really don't understand how anyone can look at the state of the world right now, and the future, and think, "yes, this is a good time to bring a child into the world."

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Metalsonic66
03/09/22 6:56:26 PM
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It's immoral to have kids

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wolfy42
03/09/22 7:32:41 PM
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sodium-chloride posted...
Honestly what would make the world better is having no humans at all. We have done nothing to benefit this planet and the future looks grim based on how the last century (and the last few years) have gone.


Sadly that is because of greedy/evil people who don't care about each other, the world, etc.

They already exist, and they will have kids etc. The only way to fight against it (other than wiping out all of humanity which is pretty cruel as well), is to help create more good/caring people who do care about each other, the environment etc.

The decision to destroy all humans is a pretty horrid one, as there are many good people on this planet and there is no reason why humanity can not live in peace and help the world become a heavan not just for humans but for all animals etc.

Honestly if we only had 1 billion people on this planet and we were careful with resources, and used humane methods of killing animals for food (if we didn't just spend our time figuring out how to grow meat etc so no animals needed to die etc) humans could live great lives while not harming anything (including each other).

And that is still a FREAKTON of humans on the planet. Everyone could still have 2 children (total though) just keeping the population even (and then a lottery could be held for an additional child if you wanted one (you would enter into it each year, and it's based on the number of unexpected deaths by people who had not already had 2 children yet).

That would allow for the human race to maintain a steady/consistent population on this planet. you could easily use clean sources of energy as well, and focus on boosting technology etc without any wars, no drugs (non-recreational), no crime or very little etc (since everything has what they need to enjoy life).

There is literally no reason with our technology and resources available to us, that we don't have that kind of life, except plain greed and a lack of caring/concern for each other.

We as a race are pretty much monsters. There are good people and bad people, but in general the people who end up in control or with power are greedy (hence seizing the power) and that leads to the way the world currently works. It's actually insanely sad.

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SunWuKung420
03/09/22 7:42:34 PM
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Raising smart, kind children is the only way to change the world.

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HornedLion
03/09/22 8:19:30 PM
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kind9 posted...
I'm an antinatalist debate me and loose

kind9 posted...
loose




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Wanded
03/09/22 10:55:35 PM
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this thread is potd incarnate

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The_tall_midget
03/09/22 11:01:15 PM
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The overpopulated countries or even countries with normal # of children per family tend to not actually think that having children is inherently bad. But then again, their countries tend to not tolerate groups of mentally ill individuals who constantly scream against /actively weaken their own nation, thus allowing them to have a normal age pyramid which will prevent them from dealing a lot of social/financial issues in the future.

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pionear
03/10/22 8:00:11 AM
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kind9 posted...
antinatalist

Actually had to go Google That...
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BEERandWEED
03/10/22 8:09:07 AM
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Kids are a gift from God. Hopefully one day I will be blessed with a dozen.

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kind9
03/10/22 8:14:23 AM
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pionear posted...
Actually had to go Google That...
I was parodying some dude who made a topic about that once on here. He was very sure of himself and his bigbrain philosophy.

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Lil_Bit83
03/10/22 12:22:43 PM
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Veedrock- posted...
Yes, their training must begin immediately so they can avenge my death.




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DangerCaged
03/10/22 9:14:25 PM
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pionear posted...
Actually had to go Google That...

If you often frequent online communities to discuss politics and the like, then alot of uncommon words start becoming normal lexicon for you. They just become normalized.

However, when was the last time you heard anyone call anyone a "fascist" in real life? Probably never right? Its not a word thats used, not even on the news. Its almost exclusively reserved for online discussion.

If I were to go to the mall right now and ask 20 random people what a fascist is, I bet only 5 or less would be able to provide me with a legible answer. Some of this internet lingo we use man, it clouds our judgement, because we forget its not common linguistics when out and about in the real world.

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The_Viscount
03/10/22 10:02:01 PM
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pionear posted...
If you think you're going to die within 10 years?

...jfc, pio, why do you ALWAYS put some weird fucking caveat past the poll that completely changes the context of the poll?

Short answer: It depends. If a support structure exists for the child afterward, there's zero issue. And if you know you only have ten years of life, you can probably do more to make sure the child will be okay than somebody who thought they had longer to live.

Veedrock- posted...
Yes, their training must begin immediately so they can avenge my death.

I can see it.

Judgmenl posted...
Child rearing is an act of greed.

Your posts are always so fucking crazy and backward. Child rearing is effectively the opposite, since you're giving your time and generally a ton of cash.

sodium-chloride posted...
Honestly what would make the world better is having no humans at all. We have done nothing to benefit this planet and the future looks grim based on how the last century (and the last few years) have gone.

By that logic, what would make the world better is having no life at all. And life does nothing to benefit the planet, because the planet is just a ball of dirt in space.

However, if you care about the existence of life in the universe, humanity is your only option right now because if something was going to happen to the Earth that completely wiped it out (more than a ELE), we're the only species capable of evacuating it for another planet.

And, honestly, given the existence of ELEs, what humans "do" to the planet is irrelevant.

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Joshs Name
03/10/22 10:08:23 PM
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Creating offspring is my only function.

If I had 10 years left it would be even more imperative to make it happen.

I hate that you made this a moral poll

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DangerCaged
03/14/22 2:23:24 PM
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This topic has helped me lose faith in humanity.

Of course it's moral to have kids. Its also obtainable for each and every one of you in this topic to become devoted husbands, and loving fathers. Thats a goal many should be shooting for, and I wish you all the best of luck in obtaining it.

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sodium-chloride
03/14/22 11:47:44 PM
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DangerCaged posted...
Of course it's moral to have kids.

It's natural to have kids, but what makes having kids moral? What if you are living beyond your means or living in poverty, and give birth to children only to have them suffer with you? What if you are a neglectful parent, or in the case of this topic, a parent who is going to die in the foreseeable future? Do either of those situations make you think "of course it's still moral to have kids"?
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Metalsonic66
03/14/22 11:50:15 PM
#43:


DangerCaged posted...
Of course it's moral to have kids
That's just what the corporations want you to think, maaaaan

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DangerCaged
03/15/22 5:35:34 PM
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sodium-chloride posted...
It's natural to have kids, but what makes having kids moral? What if you are living beyond your means or living in poverty, and give birth to children only to have them suffer with you? What if you are a neglectful parent, or in the case of this topic, a parent who is going to die in the foreseeable future? Do either of those situations make you think "of course it's still moral to have kids"?

If you raise them to be wonderful human beings then you are contributing to society, and making the earth a better place by adding a wonderful talented person into the mix.

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