Current Events > The Last of us part 2 user critic score: 5.7

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Yikes. Lol.

Yeah lotta mad man babies out there. Real pathetic, but that's Gamers for ya.

I don't mind the plot like these anti woke manchildren, but I heavily dislike the cinematic game gimmick. I want games that aren't ashamed to be games and I want devs to put gameplay first and plot second

It's like getting a glimpse at an alternate universe where the 'cinematic experience' no replay value, graphics over gameplay crap doesn't fly.

GameGodOfAll posted...

Yeah lotta mad man babies out there. Real pathetic, but that's Gamers for ya.

Pretty much. A lot of the reviews even admit that they just hated it for being "woke"

Axiom posted...

Pretty much. A lot of the reviews even admit that they just hated it for being "woke"

That's usually my go to sign when buying books with social commentary. If the majority of bad reviews are complaints of lefties, libs, and "wokeism", it's likely down my alley.

YoungMutual posted...

I don't mind the plot like these anti woke manchildren, but I heavily dislike the cinematic game gimmick. I want games that aren't ashamed to be games and I want devs to put gameplay first and plot second

TLoU2 has great gameplay. It improved over the first in every way and obviously takes priority over the plot.

GameGodOfAll posted...

Yeah lotta mad man babies out there. Real pathetic, but that's Gamers for ya.

Why are you here if you hate Gamers?

Also do you really have disdain for gamers or us it like with Republicans where it just feels good to be better than them?

Also Last of Us 2 was extremely disappointing compared to the first. And not just because "muh politics"

AssAssasin69 posted...

Also do you really have disdain for gamers or us it like with Republicans where it just feels good to be better than them?

Lmaooo

Speaking of butthurt manchildren...

499 karma for a 12 year old account. Log onto your main if you want people to interact with you.

Pretty good considering how review bombed it was at launch. Seems like it keeps going up as people distance themselves from that mess.

GOAT cinematic-action game.

AssAssasin69 posted...

Why are you here if you hate Gamers?

Also do you really have disdain for gamers or us it like with Republicans where it just feels good to be better than them?

Also Last of Us 2 was extremely disappointing compared to the first. And not just because "muh politics"

Only fake gamers conflate "hate other gamers" with "doesn't belong in a gaming board". Real gamers have always hated other gamers, especially when they like a console that they don't like, or vice versa, or when they diss a franchise they like, or vice versa.

YoungMutual posted...

I don't mind the plot like these anti woke manchildren, but I heavily dislike the cinematic game gimmick. I want games that aren't ashamed to be games and I want devs to put gameplay first and plot second

Tbh I think the gameplay is pretty strong as well.

obviously it has the narrative driving you forward and lots of cutscenes and walk-and-talk stuff, but the stealth/horror as well as the action/gunfight segments are a lot of fun with a lot of freedom for the player

There's plenty of legit criticisms of the game, but it also harbors the anti woke crowd and folks that don't understand the concept of a character that you're not supposed to like without them being caricature.

I hopped off when they started throwing dogs at you to kill and try to be realistic with it. I'm not into that

Yeah yeah you can go around em whatever that takes too much effort and the game ain't worth it

Smackems posted...

I hopped off when they started throwing dogs at you to kill and try to be realistic with it. I'm not into that

Yeah yeah you can go around em whatever that takes too much effort and the game ain't worth it

Do you avoid killing dogs in all games or just this one?

Conception616 posted...

Do you avoid killing dogs in all games or just this one?

Just the ones that are hyper realistic about it. I actually try to use non lethal means on them anytime it's offered but most games are almost comical about it

I'm fairly left leaning but I just wasn't a fan of the story direction the game took. With that said, the gameplay is definitely a better improvement over the first.

Smackems posted...

Just the ones that are hyper realistic about it. I actually try to use non lethal means on them anytime it's offered but most games are almost comical about it

tbf TLOU2 is clearly meant to be not fun in some aspectsit is in some sense a horror game after all

they specifically designed things like that and certain death scenes to give you a visceral reaction, and imo they were rather successful at it

ymmv on whether its something you want to endure for a game of course

TheGoldenEel posted...

tbf TLOU2 is clearly meant to be not fun in some aspectsit is in some sense a horror game after all

they specifically designed things like that and certain death scenes to give you a visceral reaction, and imo they were rather successful at it

ymmv on whether its something you want to endure for a game of course

Sorry but I draw the line at the dog thing. I'm still playing it to enjoy it, and I don't enjoy that, therefore I'll just not play it

Maybe it was too hard for the ladies.

From what I gather, it didn't just draw ire of anti-SJW types, but even the more progressive fanbase felt the more visceral things you're forced to do were manipulative.

I played Splinter Cell so I have no issue killing dogs.

Maybe if they were poodles or something but guard dogs that want to rip out throats? Fuck em!

GMAK2442 posted...

Maybe it was too hard for the ladies.

It has some of the best difficulty and accessibility options in any game.

The pacing of this game was trash. I had no fun playing it save for the hospital section. They gave Abby the more interesting setpieces for a reason lol.

The vast majority of them never played it. Awesome game.

I think most people would agree the first one was better, that was a masterpiece and anything would've been even a little disappointing coming after it, but the second was really, extremely polarising. I'd guess probably 90%+ of the scores are 9/10s or 1/2s.
I wonder what reception it would've had if it was somehow a standalone game and not a sequel?

ViewtifulJoe posted...

It's like getting a glimpse at an alternate universe where the 'cinematic experience' no replay value, graphics over gameplay crap doesn't fly.

this

wtf how does abby get pounded from behind without lube you can only do anal from behind

User reviews for controversial movies and games are to be ignored

ViewtifulJoe posted...

It's like getting a glimpse at an alternate universe where the 'cinematic experience' no replay value, graphics over gameplay crap doesn't fly.

The full TLoU experience can be gained from Youtube videos.

Way too low. It's not better than the first, but it's still pretty good.

AssAssasin69 posted...

Why are you here if you hate Gamers?

Also do you really have disdain for gamers or us it like with Republicans where it just feels good to be better than them?

Also Last of Us 2 was extremely disappointing compared to the first. And not just because "muh politics"

good points, assassasin69

I know people have mostly memoryholed all criticism but Nakey Jakey said outside of all the interactive cinematics/cutscenes you could get through the actual game on hard in about 3 1/2 hours. So I can understand why people would be salty over that.

I'm going through it right now on PS5 after getting a Platinum on the first game, and so far my biggest complaint is that it's still mostly just more of the first game, whose single-player gameplay wasn't very compelling without the interesting setpieces/story to go along with it

AvantgardeAClue posted...

I know people have mostly memoryholed all criticism but Nakey Jakey said outside of all the interactive cinematics/cutscenes you could get through the actual game on hard in about 3 1/2 hours. So I can understand why people would be salty over that.

I'm going through it right now on PS5 after getting a Platinum on the first game, and so far my biggest complaint is that it's still mostly just more of the first game, whose single-player gameplay wasn't very compelling without the interesting setpieces/story to go along with it

That is 100% not true. First paragraph I mean.

In terms of the gameplay, it is similar, but notice how much more advanced the AI is vs the first game and vs almost anything else out there.

Lot of troll reviews.

AvantgardeAClue posted...

I know people have mostly memoryholed all criticism but Nakey Jakey said outside of all the interactive cinematics/cutscenes you could get through the actual game on hard in about 3 1/2 hours. So I can understand why people would be salty over that.

I do not see how that is possible unless you turn the game on super easy and make it so you go invisible when crouched or something. Even then it would be rather tricky.

If anything more people complained that the game was too long.

Specifically NJ was talking about the "Scenarios" feature you unlock at the end of the game that lets you go through all the enemy encounters from the game in a row. Took him only 3-4 hours overall IIRC

The AI is good but it's not foolproof. Bricks and bottles are still schmuck bait just like in the first game. Even easier now since you can one-hit nearly everything as Ellie that you sneak up on.

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Specifically NJ was talking about the "Scenarios" feature you unlock at the end of the game that lets you go through all the enemy encounters from the game in a row. Took him only 3-4 hours overall IIRC

That's silly. That's like judging the length of an Arkham game by playing through the Challenge rooms.

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Specifically NJ was talking about the "Scenarios" feature you unlock at the end of the game that lets you go through all the enemy encounters from the game in a row. Took him only 3-4 hours overall IIRC

Yeah that's a real dumb argument to make. It's like doing a boss rush and saying "Well that was the whole game."

Punished_Blinx posted...

That's silly. That's like judging the length of an Arkham game by playing through the Challenge rooms.

But it DOES condense all the actual gameplay segments from the main game that people presumably play the game for, since I'd imagine not everyone playing is invested in the story the entire time and just want to get to the gameplay that they liked from the first game. Most other games don't suffer from this. If you did the same to trim the fat in a Souls game for instance you'd lose probably not even 10 minutes overall. Hell, even the average CoD campaign would have similar completion lengths if you removed all the cutscenes.

AvantgardeAClue posted...

But it DOES condense all the actual gameplay segments from the main game that people presumably play the game for, since I'd imagine not everyone playing is invested in the story the entire time and just want to get to the gameplay that they liked from the first game. Most other games don't suffer from this. If you did the same to trim the fat in a Souls game for instance you'd lose probably not even 10 minutes overall. Hell, even the average CoD campaign would have similar completion lengths if you removed all the cutscenes.

Not really? I started playing Elden Ring last night and I'd say I explored more than fought in combat. While that is an open world game I also spent a lot of time in Dark Souls exploring. Combat encounters generally are very quick due to how dangerous they are.

COD is different but those are short games.

Most games aren't constant combat scenarios with nothing in between.

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Earlier Mario games would lose virtually no playtime overall, and even games like Galaxy wouldn't be much different in playtime without the cutscenes at the beginning/middle/end.

You're not removing cutscenes. You're removing everything that isn't a combat encounter.

5.7 seems way too low for the game, IMO. Flip the numbers around and it'd be more accurate. Would've scored higher if the game wasn't so emotionally exhausting and the pacing wasn't brutally killed at the halfway mark, because the gameplay was pretty fun.

Exploration is probably meaningful in Elden Ring. I've only played DS1 but I'd imagine it's similar. In TLOU2 in comparison you divert momentarily from the path to find some supplies (which usually never there on Hard/Crushing) or to trigger some optional conversation, which I also would consider as fat to be trimmed.

Doesn't help that the game baits you into thinking it would almost entirely like the Seattle level which is probably the only truly open area of the game. Even then, you're just doing the same conversations and item scavenging in a slightly non-linear fashion that still leads to the same outcome.

Punished_Blinx posted...

You're not removing cutscenes. You're removing everything that isn't a combat encounter.

Everything that isn't a combat encounter is conversations or item scavenging. The story was what made these so compelling in the first game. If they were the "meat" of the game, ND probably wouldn't have made a mode with combat-encounters only.

That'll happen when you make a story game with a terrible plot and unlikable characters.