Poll of the Day > You know people are getting dumber....

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Johnny Eagle
02/20/22 12:05:59 AM
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When a carton of eggs has to have a warning saying it contains egg >_>

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LinkPizza
02/20/22 12:25:22 AM
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Its more like there are some very dumb people who need these labels. Especially dumb Karens

But I believe that people are supposedly getting smarter all the time. Just not everyone Its more like an average

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ParanoidObsessive
02/20/22 12:27:15 AM
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LinkPizza posted...
But I believe that people are supposedly getting smarter all the time. Just not everyone Its more like an average

Most science suggests the opposite. Though it arguably depends on how you define intelligence.

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Unbridled9
02/20/22 12:38:17 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Most science suggests the opposite. Though it arguably depends on how you define intelligence.

It's probably not a matter of intelligence honestly. If you were to tell me that the average human knew more facts than the average human from 100 years ago, I wouldn't doubt you for an instant. Not only has our education improved immensely from the 1920's (as much flak and failures as it has) but the sheer pool of knowledge we have has also expanded greatly. I mean, it wasn't until 1923 that other galaxies were even confirmed to BE other galaxies and now we're reaching a point where we're looking at galaxies billions upon billions of lightyears away.

However, the average human WISDOM has, almost certainly dropped. We have, well, people who need warning labels that a carton of eggs contains eggs. I blame our lawyers and social media. Lawyers because they're willing to sue over anything for a profit so some idiot who is allergic to eggs eating eggs means profit for both parties involved, and social media for validating any belief no matter how stupid or unintelligent as well as giving it a platform to spread. I mean, a century ago flat Earth was basically reserved for works of fiction and a few, massively fringe and ignorant, crazies. Yet it's not got members all over the globe who ignore simple science and logic out of a desire to be in the 'enlightened few' despite, well, being so dumb that they think the Earth is flat.

So I think the answer is that the average human INTELLECT has improved (or at least our volume of facts) but the average human WISDOM has been shot.

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LinkPizza
02/20/22 12:47:22 AM
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The problem is that most of them know the carton of eggs contain eggs. But they realize they can get money by suing since the carton of eggs wasnt labeled that it had eggs

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SunWuKung420
02/20/22 12:53:57 AM
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Bags of peanuts have had peanut warnings for over a decade. Welcome to yesterday.

50 pound bags have of potatoes have gluten free labels. No shit.

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Lokarin
02/20/22 12:55:36 AM
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It's cuz of scammers... if you bought a carton and it had no eggs, that'd be mean

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agesboy
02/20/22 12:57:23 AM
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they probably have to mark every single product that contains or was prepared with even the slightest bit of eggs with that marker; it's not a matter of intelligence but standardized allergy warnings

i really highly doubt this arose from the silly lawsuit you're pretending exists. a lot of the "the warning exists because of a frivolous lawsuit" stories are bullshit, like the mcdonalds coffee one. the more likely scenario is that someone died from another product containing enough of an allergen to kill them, and now all common allergens must be clearly labeled

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rjsilverthorn
02/20/22 1:10:55 AM
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Ranks right up there with the gluten-free, non-GMO salt.
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The_Viscount
02/20/22 1:34:46 AM
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It's not so much people are getting dumber, they're just getting louder.

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funkyfritter
02/20/22 1:51:10 AM
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More like the company realized that printing two extra words on their label was cheaper than the potential threat of a lawsuit, even a frivolous one.

Or in this specific case, the website probably has a database of ingredients for every product they sell and automatically generates that text line for any product that contains something flagged as an allergen.

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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC
02/20/22 1:55:42 AM
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Johnny Eagle posted...
When a carton of eggs has to have a warning saying it contains egg >_>

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/0/1/AAABYmAAC8pd.jpg
First time I noticed this (I work at Walmart) was stocking a can of tuna. It said "Warning - contains tuna".

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Zareth
02/20/22 1:59:31 AM
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They have to do it by law even if it's obvious

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ParanoidObsessive
02/20/22 2:23:03 AM
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Unbridled9 posted...
It's probably not a matter of intelligence honestly.

However, the average human WISDOM has, almost certainly dropped.

It's more than just the difference between "knowledge" and "common sense", though. We've kind of proven that the more we invent devices that "remember" things for us or "think" for us, the less capable our brains become at replicating the same processes. The human brain is lazy - if it doesn't have to do something, it doesn't want to do it.

The invention and proliferation of written language actively weakened our ability to memorize and accurately transmit information via oral tradition. Calculators tend to weaken our ability to do math in our own heads. People today have a much harder time remembering phone numbers than people 50 years ago did. And so on.

The Internet has effectively placed the sum total of human knowledge at everyone's fingertips, but at the same time weakened our ability to recall information over time. Worse, because there's no real filter on that data to separate fact from fiction, our ability to detect the signal/noise ratio of all the information pouring into our brains is greatly limited (ie, we're exposed to so much information so often, we've kind of lost the ability to evaluate and fact-check it effectively, meaning a lot of what we think we know is potentially wrong anyway).

People today like to think they're "smart" (and definitely smarter than everyone else who's ever lived in the past), but a larger collection of data is about the only thing we have going for us . Our sum total of accumulated knowledge is absolutely greater, but our ability to remember and process it is likely much more impaired than our ancient ancestors.

So if you definite intelligence as "knowing things", we probably are smarter. But if you define it as being better able to process information, we probably aren't.

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Unbridled9
02/20/22 4:57:51 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
It's more than just the difference between "knowledge" and "common sense", though. We've kind of proven that the more we invent devices that "remember" things for us or "think" for us, the less capable our brains become at replicating the same processes. The human brain is lazy - if it doesn't have to do something, it doesn't want to do it.

The invention and proliferation of written language actively weakened our ability to memorize and accurately transmit information via oral tradition. Calculators tend to weaken our ability to do math in our own heads. People today have a much harder time remembering phone numbers than people 50 years ago did. And so on.

The Internet has effectively placed the sum total of human knowledge at everyone's fingertips, but at the same time weakened our ability to recall information over time. Worse, because there's no real filter on that data to separate fact from fiction, our ability to detect the signal/noise ratio of all the information pouring into our brains is greatly limited (ie, we're exposed to so much information so often, we've kind of lost the ability to evaluate and fact-check it effectively, meaning a lot of what we think we know is potentially wrong anyway).

People today like to think they're "smart" (and definitely smarter than everyone else who's ever lived in the past), but a larger collection of data is about the only thing we have going for us . Our sum total of accumulated knowledge is absolutely greater, but our ability to remember and process it is likely much more impaired than our ancient ancestors.

So if you definite intelligence as "knowing things", we probably are smarter. But if you define it as being better able to process information, we probably aren't.

While I agree that common sense/wisdom/whatever has gone on the decline, I immensely disagree with your reasoning since it's shown that those progresses have also lead to massive leaps forward in knowledge. For example, a 'calculator', even if it weakens your personal ability to do math (which I find suspect) allows for rapid and accurate calculations repeatedly. I.E. even if it 'weakens' your ability, it gives a massive net positive by reducing your number of mistakes and allowing you to focus on the actually hard, non-calculator-able, parts of the problem.

But even if what you were saying was true, what 'we're looking at isn't a failure of knowledge, but a failure of sense. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that an egg contains eggs. You don't even need a language for that (well, you'd need to know what an egg was and that you couldn't eat it, but a language isn't needed for that). With something like 'gluten free' a lot of people don't really know WHAT gluten actually is. Just that this mysterious thing has suddenly popped up in celebrity diets and they say that gluten is bad for you so they avoid it. They don't know what it IS or what likely has it, just to avoid it. However, something like a pizza box that reminds it's customers to open the box before eating the pizza inside isn't some lack of knowledge of what a box is or it's lack of edibility, it's either a complete failure of any form of common sense, an overwhelming sense of ignorant apathy, or an intentional effort on the part of the 'victim'.

Which is why I blame the lawyers. It's cheaper to just include a 'contains eggs' label on your egg carton than deal with a lawsuit (as mentioned by Link) despite the only reason a person wouldn't realize that without some form of mental disability being intentional efforts. Additionally negative and ignorant views are allowed to exist and thrive online now because it's so easy to not only find like-minded individuals but to form an echo-chamber (I don't mean something political here. I'm talking about the truly ignorant like Flat-Earthers or 9/11 truthers).

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Revelation34
02/20/22 5:13:27 AM
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agesboy posted...
they probably have to mark every single product that contains or was prepared with even the slightest bit of eggs with that marker; it's not a matter of intelligence but standardized allergy warnings

i really highly doubt this arose from the silly lawsuit you're pretending exists. a lot of the "the warning exists because of a frivolous lawsuit" stories are bullshit, like the mcdonalds coffee one. the more likely scenario is that someone died from another product containing enough of an allergen to kill them, and now all common allergens must be clearly labeled


None of us believe this.

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Fierce_Deity_08
02/20/22 10:06:34 AM
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I still like the frozen pizzas that mention in the instructions to take it out of the box before you put it in the oven.

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adjl
02/20/22 2:00:01 PM
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funkyfritter posted...
More like the company realized that printing two extra words on their label was cheaper than the potential threat of a lawsuit, even a frivolous one.

Or in this specific case, the website probably has a database of ingredients for every product they sell and automatically generates that text line for any product that contains something flagged as an allergen.
Zareth posted...
They have to do it by law even if it's obvious

These. It's much, much simpler to just categorically say "label each product with an allergy warning if it contains anything off this list of common allergens" than to pick and choose which ones are obvious enough for common sense to be applied. That means you're going to get some things being labelled very unnecessarily, but erring on the side of overlabelling in this case is a whole lot better than erring the other way (which has a significant chance of killing people).

SunWuKung420 posted...
50 pound bags have of potatoes have gluten free labels. No s***.

That's one I'm always a little on the fence about. There are a ton of cases where labelling something as gluten-free is not actually as redundant or unnecessary as it would seem, given how incredibly ubiquitous flour is as a filler, binding agent, or even just airborne contaminant that gets into stuff that otherwise would use it. Claiming that something is gluten free certifies that it has not come into contact with gluten at any point in the production chain, which is something that people with severe Celiac disease often can't safely assume. For potatoes in particular, it's probably unnecessary, but a ton of things happen behind the scenes in the world of food processing and distribution and I could believe that potatoes could be contaminated with wheat at some point in that chain. To that end, knowing that a given bag of potatoes is gluten free can still be some comfort.

On the other hand, I'm fairly certain a considerable majority of those labels are marketing to the crowd that's jumping on the gluten-free trend, rather than being a matter of genuine concern for the safety of gluten-allergic people.

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captpackrat
02/20/22 2:06:20 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/3/3/AAQwHjAAC8wN.jpg

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agesboy
02/20/22 2:13:33 PM
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preparing food with the same utensils can kill a person even if what's currently being prepared isn't fish, so they have to disclose that even the fries, corn, and rice will trigger seafood allergies

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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC
02/20/22 2:28:23 PM
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adjl posted...
On the other hand, I'm fairly certain a considerable majority of those labels are marketing to the crowd that's jumping on the gluten-free trend, rather than being a matter of genuine concern for the safety of gluten-allergic people.
Oh, absolutely. Look at chicken in the grocery store: without exception, they'll have a sticker or something printed on the wrapper trumpeting that the chickens are antibiotic free. But that's not the chicken company being considerate, it's Federal law. The companies just use it as an advertising hook, banking that enough people will be dumb enough to see that on whatever brand they pick up and assume other brands do have antibiotics in them.

Other things I've seen: frozen chicken nuggets advertised as gluten-free (though in that case, they're probably -- hopefully -- referring to the breading) and vegan tea. Tea is a PLANT. It's already vegan.

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Metalsonic66
02/20/22 2:32:11 PM
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Unbridled9 posted...
I mean, a century ago flat Earth was basically reserved for works of fiction and a few, massively fringe and ignorant, crazies. Yet it's not got members all over the globe who ignore simple science and logic out of a desire to be in the 'enlightened few' despite, well, being so dumb that they think the Earth is flat
Most if not all of those people are just elaborate trolls

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adjl
02/20/22 2:37:14 PM
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agesboy posted...
preparing food with the same utensils can kill a person even if what's currently being prepared isn't fish, so they have to disclose that even the fries, corn, and rice will trigger seafood allergies

Exactly. They're not saying "careful, our fish contains fish," they're saying "if you're allergic to fish, we can't safely serve you." They could probably get away with only saying that if a customer says they have allergies, but putting it out there proactively saves everyone some time and reduces the risk that somebody forgets to ask or a waiter mistakenly doesn't refuse to serve them. That's generally worth the cost of a sticker.

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adjl
02/20/22 2:38:16 PM
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
Oh, absolutely. Look at chicken in the grocery store: without exception, they'll have a sticker or something printed on the wrapper trumpeting that the chickens are antibiotic free. But that's not the chicken company being considerate, it's Federal law. The companies just use it as an advertising hook, banking that enough people will be dumb enough to see that on whatever brand they pick up and assume other brands do have antibiotics in them.

Other things I've seen: frozen chicken nuggets advertised as gluten-free (though in that case, they're probably -- hopefully -- referring to the breading) and vegan tea. Tea is a PLANT. It's already vegan.

Relevant:
https://xkcd.com/641/

Though specifying gluten-free for the nuggets is actually important. The breading could have wheat in it, and there's plenty of room for contamination in processing them like that.

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Nichtcrawler X
02/20/22 4:32:01 PM
#25:


agesboy posted...


i really highly doubt this arose from the silly lawsuit you're pretending exists. a lot of the "the warning exists because of a frivolous lawsuit" stories are bullshit, like the mcdonalds coffee one.

The lawsuit itself was legit. The bullshit/silly part was a slander campaign by McD.

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Unbridled9
02/20/22 4:50:15 PM
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Nichtcrawler X posted...
The lawsuit itself was legit. The bullshit/silly part was a slander campaign by McD.

Yea... The coffee one only sounds stupid until you actually know the details. We're not talking 'hot coffee' we're talking 'dangerously scalding coffee that caused serious damage to people if it got spilled on them'. As I understand it they may as well have put whatever got splashed on them into boiling hot water in regards to how dangerous and painful it was. We're not talking 'warm brew', we're talking 'hot enough to burn and melt your skin'. Once I found out the details my opinion did a complete flip and I am now on the side of the suers.

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kangolcone
02/20/22 4:54:27 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Most science suggests the opposite. Though it arguably depends on how you define intelligence.

There is a higher percentage of college educated individuals walking the planet earth now than ever in history.

Any time a person cites their source as most science its generally an assumption that person has made.

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adjl
02/20/22 4:54:52 PM
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Unbridled9 posted...
Yea... The coffee one only sounds stupid until you actually know the details. We're not talking 'hot coffee' we're talking 'dangerously scalding coffee that caused serious damage to people if it got spilled on them'. As I understand it they may as well have put whatever got splashed on them into boiling hot water in regards to how dangerous and painful it was. We're not talking 'warm brew', we're talking 'hot enough to burn and melt your skin'. Once I found out the details my opinion did a complete flip and I am now on the side of the suers.

Yep. Holding her coffee like that was a bad idea, but not "deserved a groin full of third degree burns" bad.

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kangolcone
02/20/22 4:55:56 PM
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Wouldnt warnings on large scale websites like that generally just be automated? Like the programming flags and labels anything with eggs? I sort of doubt a programmer sat there and individually marked the eggs product as contains eggs. It would be harder to turn off the label than just keep it on.

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agesboy
02/20/22 6:13:00 PM
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Nichtcrawler X posted...
The lawsuit itself was legit. The bullshit/silly part was a slander campaign by McD.
yeah, that's what i mean; the "stupidity of man" is hammed up in trials like that

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Kyuubi4269
02/20/22 6:31:36 PM
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I wish it was "May contain egg".

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adjl
02/20/22 11:37:42 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
I wish it was "May contain egg".

In Canada, Tim Hortons recently started advertising that their breakfast sandwiches were now made with "fresh-cracked eggs," and the overwhelming response to those ads was "what were they made with before?". Presumably, they used containers of pre-broken eggs, so it was still pretty much just egg being used and not actually some bizarre facsimile, but I was still pretty entertained by how hard the campaign backfired.

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agesboy
02/20/22 11:40:36 PM
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adjl posted...
In Canada, Tim Hortons recently started advertising that their breakfast sandwiches were now made with "fresh-cracked eggs," and the overwhelming response to those ads was "what were they made with before?".
ive definitely heard this kind of snark about various things in my life, down here in louisiana

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captpackrat
02/21/22 7:05:15 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/2/3/AAQwHjAAC9EX.jpg

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SunWuKung420
02/21/22 7:44:00 PM
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Fyi beer contains wheat and yeast and hops.

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adjl
02/21/22 9:31:06 PM
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captpackrat posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/2/3/AAQwHjAAC9EX.jpg

That one actually needs to be said. Cats do produce milk, after all, and advertising the product as "cat milk" more strongly implies that it's milk that's been harvested from cats and not a milk substitute produced for cats.

SunWuKung420 posted...
Fyi beer contains wheat and yeast and hops.

Most beer does not contain wheat. Are you sure you do this for a living?

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captpackrat
02/22/22 6:39:54 AM
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I think the weirdest warning label I've seen was on a bottle of non-dairy creamer.

Contains: Milk

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adjl
02/22/22 9:09:20 AM
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I'd guess that was a matter of either cross-contamination or using whey protein in it. It should still be safe for lactose intolerant folks, but people with full-on milk allergies should stay away.

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SunWuKung420
02/22/22 6:36:27 PM
#39:


adjl posted...
Most beer does not contain wheat. Are you sure you do this for a living?
Even single beer I've made in the last year and a half has had some amount of wheat in the grain bill.

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Unbridled9
02/23/22 1:28:52 AM
#40:


adjl posted...
In Canada, Tim Hortons recently started advertising that their breakfast sandwiches were now made with "fresh-cracked eggs," and the overwhelming response to those ads was "what were they made with before?". Presumably, they used containers of pre-broken eggs, so it was still pretty much just egg being used and not actually some bizarre facsimile, but I was still pretty entertained by how hard the campaign backfired.

It was likely an egg loaf.

https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/danaegcoverphoto-1.png

IIRC it's basically whites and yolks separated then reformed to allow for easy shipping and delivery. Failing that I wouldn't be surprised if they'd used some sort of frozen egg patty that they just re-heated and put on.

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Revelation34
02/23/22 4:11:27 AM
#41:


Unbridled9 posted...


It was likely an egg loaf.

https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/danaegcoverphoto-1.png

IIRC it's basically whites and yolks separated then reformed to allow for easy shipping and delivery. Failing that I wouldn't be surprised if they'd used some sort of frozen egg patty that they just re-heated and put on.


That's hardboiled egg.

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adjl
02/23/22 9:56:19 PM
#42:


SunWuKung420 posted...
Even single beer I've made in the last year and a half has had some amount of wheat in the grain bill.

That's nice, but as you seem to keep forgetting, your personal experience does not reflect the world as a whole. Barley is the common grain to (almost) all beers, not wheat. Of course, barley is also glutinous, so the distinction is largely irrelevant for the celiac types (who are the primary demographic for wheat warnings), but it's still good to be accurate.

Unbridled9 posted...
It was likely an egg loaf.

https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/danaegcoverphoto-1.png

IIRC it's basically whites and yolks separated then reformed to allow for easy shipping and delivery. Failing that I wouldn't be surprised if they'd used some sort of frozen egg patty that they just re-heated and put on.

Neither would surprise me, especially with the current state of Tims' food. They're not exactly big on doing any actual cooking on site, except for the occasional token effort that they try to market as being "fresh made in-store!" despite everything but the final step being done in a commissary.

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Metalsonic66
02/23/22 10:01:43 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
That's hardboiled egg.
No it isn't

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Revelation34
02/25/22 4:59:52 AM
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Metalsonic66 posted...

No it isn't


It is.

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Metalsonic66
02/25/22 5:35:07 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
It is.
Lern2cook

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Revelation34
02/26/22 9:48:37 AM
#46:


Metalsonic66 posted...

Lern2cook


Tell me what it is then.

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Metalsonic66
02/26/22 10:25:19 AM
#47:


Unbridled9 posted...
whites and yolks separated then reformed


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Revelation34
02/26/22 10:28:45 AM
#48:


So a hardboiled egg.

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Metalsonic66
02/26/22 10:32:29 AM
#49:


Do you think an omelette is also a hardboiled egg?

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Revelation34
02/26/22 10:33:24 AM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
Do you think an omelette is also a hardboiled egg?


An omelette is an omelette. That looks like an hardboiled egg.

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