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teddy241 02/13/22 12:28:20 PM #1: |
real talk? https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/3/6/AADUYLAAC68o.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 02/13/22 12:30:11 PM #2: |
As much as any other job needs to. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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papercup 02/13/22 12:30:31 PM #3: |
In what situation would it be appropriate not to pay somebody a livable wage? --- Nintendo Network ID: papercups 3DS FC: 4124 5916 9925 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlackScythe0 02/13/22 12:53:10 PM #4: |
I would never work at a gas station because I don't wanna be robbed. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jen0125 02/13/22 12:56:35 PM #5: |
Yes, why shouldn't they? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pionear 02/13/22 12:56:42 PM #6: |
Of course they should for any Damn Job..But Capitalism don't work like that, Bud Fun Fact: They really don't make any Money off Gas...just the high price Snacks and other Convenience Items in the Store ... Copied to Clipboard!
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argonautweakend 02/13/22 1:53:18 PM #7: |
This one time I had to stop at a gas station in a bad area of town. Open all night, movie theatre style checkout(slot to give and recieve money, glass(bulletproof), etc. Whatever the hell the one clerk was making I'm going to assume is not enough for the risk factor involved. But yeah, even in general I agree with mostly everybody here. Jen0125 posted... Yes, why shouldn't they? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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captpackrat 02/13/22 1:59:48 PM #8: |
NEED to, no. Should they, yes. --- Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, Minutus carborata descendum pantorum. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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11110111011 02/13/22 2:14:03 PM #9: |
papercup posted... In what situation would it be appropriate not to pay somebody a livable wage? Pretty much any entry level job a teenager could get. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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argonautweakend 02/13/22 2:21:11 PM #10: |
Teenagers deserve money, too. As well as the hoardes of adults who work those jobs, too. After all, these places are open when school is in session. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JoanOfArcade 02/13/22 2:40:26 PM #11: |
argonautweakend posted... Teenagers deserve money, too.Loads of them are open 24/7 and at night teenagers can't work. For a few years i worked night shift at a gas station and had to be at hardees to work breakfast to afternoon within an hour of my shift ending. Also just because you're scheduled off at a certain time does not always mean you leave at that time so it was a very tight squeeze somedays. It can all be chalked up to being my fault for not seeking higher education at the time and marrying someone who didn't want to work after the ring was on --- Thanks for the new quote - Zareth ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kanatteru 02/13/22 3:48:28 PM #12: |
11110111011 posted... Pretty much any entry level job a teenager could get. whats the problem with teenagers having more money? plenty might want to save up for school or to move out for example --- despair-inducing | she/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EvilMegas 02/13/22 3:55:06 PM #13: |
"Should you be able to live off ONE job? Discuss" --- The first person to be fully vaccinated on GameFaQs. Boobs are life, ass is hometown Kenichiro Takaki. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lokarin 02/13/22 4:02:15 PM #14: |
define 'liveable wage' Cuz someone working should be able to live, otherwise it would be financially sound to crime instead --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DrunkCaveman 02/13/22 4:20:42 PM #15: |
EvilMegas posted... "Should you be able to live off ONE job? Discuss"How many hours a week do you spend at this 1 job? If it's full time, yes. End of story. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lokarin 02/13/22 4:24:29 PM #16: |
ya, it's not like you can work the jobs concurrently unless one of those jobs can be done from your phone. --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nade Duck 02/13/22 4:32:32 PM #17: |
Kanatteru posted... whats the problem with teenagers having more money? plenty might want to save up for school or to move out for examplebitter people like to gatekeep and support systems that actively work against a healthy society so that they can feel better about themselves. --- http://i.imgur.com/ElACjJD.gifv "Most of the time, I have a whole lot more sperm inside me than most women do." - adjl ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KodyKeir 02/13/22 5:50:37 PM #18: |
DrunkCaveman posted... If it's full time, yes. Define "full time" without falling into the trap of the protestant work ethic. --- Why didn't you DODGE‽‽‽ Quoting me will trigger the profanity filter, Not Joking. I've been Scunthorped! Consider yourself warned. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MabinogiFan 02/13/22 6:32:33 PM #19: |
Lokarin posted... define 'liveable wage'Enough to not live in poverty, but not enough to afford many luxuries. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kanatteru 02/13/22 6:52:56 PM #21: |
in my area the wage youd need to afford a 1 bedroom apartment and only the basic necessities is something like $19 an hour (CAD). in a place like toronto its around $22. minimum wage is $15. when people have more money they spend more money, its very simple --- despair-inducing | she/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blightzkrieg 02/13/22 7:16:03 PM #22: |
Imagine if gas stations closed during school hours lol --- http://i.imgur.com/1XbPahR.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LinkPizza 02/13/22 7:28:53 PM #23: |
Itd be great if they could argonautweakend posted... Teenagers deserve money, too. True. But they dont usually need a livable wage. Like if they still live with their parents. That said, its different, anyway. I believe that as a teenager, that cant give you full time positions. Like they cant do the 40 hours a week. From what I can remember, that is Thats for like school age, though. Once you graduate school, they can usually give more hours --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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rexcrk 02/13/22 7:47:44 PM #25: |
papercup posted... In what situation would it be appropriate not to pay somebody a livable wage? --- Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds, along with the good, and let me be judged accordingly. The rest... is silence. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EvilMegas 02/13/22 7:52:22 PM #26: |
DrunkCaveman posted... How many hours a week do you spend at this 1 job? If it's full time, yes. End of story.Lol so if you can only manage to get a part time job, you don't deserve to live? --- The first person to be fully vaccinated on GameFaQs. Boobs are life, ass is hometown Kenichiro Takaki. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 02/13/22 7:54:29 PM #27: |
KodyKeir posted... Define "full time" without falling into the trap of the protestant work ethic. It's pretty hard to, but honestly, I'm kind of okay with that. Whatever the basis of the 35-40-hour work week, we do need to accept some sort of standard in order to be able to define a livable wage, and that standard is an easy one to start from. There's room to criticize it, certainly (see: experiments that have tried 4-day weeks and 6-hour days and generally seen improvements in productivity), but trying to fight multiple battles at once is hard. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wolfy42 02/13/22 8:15:20 PM #28: |
Technically in many places you don't even need an apartment/home to live, and living out of your car/van is becoming more and more common in some places, but yeah a livable wage should be based on the cost of "living" in an area, including a 1 bedroom apartment, utilities, insurance,internet (mandatory at this point),transportation costs and food. The question then becomes how many hours should be required to obtain that. I propose that requiring 40 hours at that wage is too much and it should be estimated on a 30 hour work week. IF you can get 40 hours or more, great, you have extra money, but not all jobs will give you 40 hours and you shouldn't be required to work 2 jobs. In my area for instance about the lowest you can get a 1 bedroom at this point is $1200 a month. Add in $100 for utilities and internet, 400 for food (you can live on less but everything is expensive now so that is a good average), 50 for transportation (low but doable), there is no insurance cost here if you make less than 3000$ per month. The total base cost of living here then should be around $1750. To have that much left over though, taxes will take about $100 out, so for ease say 1850$ base pay before taxes. If you divide that by 120 hours (30 hours a week for 4 weeks), you end up with a base living wage of $15.41 per hour. The min wage in this state right now is $14.49 an hour, almost a dollar less, but most place do pay at least $15/hr now....so most places are paying a living wage based on the above criteria.......and only requiring a person to work 30 hours. That also doesn't factor in that many of the lower pay jobs include tips. There are still a ton that don't, but even subways and many other fast food places (papa murphys etc) all have tip jars now. Tips are separate from base pay in WA, so those jobs often pay significantly more after tips are factored in. --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Friends don't make their friends die Hanz. Psychopathic friends do. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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rexcrk 02/13/22 9:05:18 PM #29: |
adjl posted... It's pretty hard to, but honestly, I'm kind of okay with that. Whatever the basis of the 35-40-hour work week, we do need to accept some sort of standard in order to be able to define a livable wage, and that standard is an easy one to start from. There's room to criticize it, certainly (see: experiments that have tried 4-day weeks and 6-hour days and generally seen improvements in productivity), but trying to fight multiple battles at once is hard. God I would love a 6-hour day and 4-day work week. --- Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds, along with the good, and let me be judged accordingly. The rest... is silence. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Viscount 02/13/22 9:22:26 PM #31: |
teddy241 posted... real talk? https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/3/6/AADUYLAAC68o.jpg $17.50 an hour for that work is ridiculous. papercup posted... In what situation would it be appropriate not to pay somebody a livable wage? Overlooking that inherently deceitful nature of the "living wage" argument, when the job and labor is low-value, or when it can be used an incentive to hire somebody who might otherwise be unemployable. EvilMegas posted... "Should you be able to live off ONE job? Discuss" "Should you not TROLL? Discuss" Lokarin posted... define 'liveable wage' People working do live, they just want to work fewer hours and have a substantially standard of life. Even people working part-time are often able to get by controlling their expenses (having roommates, limiting spending, etc). CENSOR POSTED Define "full time" without falling into the trap of the protestant work ethic. *cue laugh track* On top of everything else, you've got somebody arguing against a 40-hour work week. MabinogiFan posted... Enough to not live in poverty, but not enough to afford many luxuries. The current definition for "poverty" is outrageously high. People are able to live modestly in poverty, if they manage their expenses. --- Woken LLC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Viscount 02/13/22 9:22:29 PM #32: |
Blightzkrieg posted... Imagine if gas stations closed during school hours lol Considering pumps are self-serve everywhere except for NJ, it probably wouldn't make much difference. [LFAQs-redacted-quote] That almost looked like a coherent sentence. --- Woken LLC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Viscount 02/13/22 9:24:18 PM #33: |
wolfy42 posted... Technically in many places you don't even need an apartment/home to live, and living out of your car/van is becoming more and more common in some places, but yeah a livable wage should be based on the cost of "living" in an area, including a 1 bedroom apartment, utilities, insurance,internet (mandatory at this point),transportation costs and food. But that's not actually the cost of living in an area. You don't need a single-occupancy apartment, that's a luxury. And housing is generally the largest single expense. If you control your housing expenses, you can live in most places. --- Woken LLC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wolfy42 02/13/22 9:29:17 PM #35: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Why do you always try and change what I say into your own narrative? I said more and more people are doing that, I didn't say it was acceptable or that a living wage should be based on that, in fact, I said the opposite. Stop trying to make everything negative. The_Viscount posted... But that's not actually the cost of living in an area. You don't need a single-occupancy apartment, that's a luxury. And housing is generally the largest single expense. If you control your housing expenses, you can live in most places. Oh, I know, since I sold my house I have been living on less than $1000 a month (about 4 years now). I rented rooms and for the last 2 1/2 years basements (kinda like my own apartment). You can live on less, but that should not be considered a livable wage. You should not be forced to live with others, or consider it a luxury. There is no reason someone working 30 hours a week shouldn't be able to rent their own place, eat fairly well and be entertained. --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Friends don't make their friends die Hanz. Psychopathic friends do. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 02/13/22 9:36:47 PM #37: |
The_Viscount posted... Overlooking that inherently deceitful nature of the "living wage" argument, when the job and labor is low-value, or when it can be used an incentive to hire somebody who might otherwise be unemployable. If a job does not create enough value for the person working in it to subsist, why should that job exist? Do you expect a car that gets 20 miles to the gallon to travel 60 miles on a single gallon of gas? --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wolfy42 02/13/22 9:42:07 PM #38: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] And the Zangulus negativity continues. --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Friends don't make their friends die Hanz. Psychopathic friends do. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wolfy42 02/13/22 9:50:38 PM #40: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Believe what you want, only one of us seems to feel the need to attack people or turn what they say into something negative for no reason at all. I just state things based of my actual experience, and generally try to help people while doing it. You on the other hand don't seem to ever offer any positive advice or even positive comments, it's always negative from you, at least from what I can remember. You like cats, that is certainly a plus, but you seem to want to tear anything other people say down, what is the point of that? --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Friends don't make their friends die Hanz. Psychopathic friends do. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LinkPizza 02/13/22 9:58:22 PM #42: |
wolfy42 posted... There is no reason someone working 30 hours a week shouldn't be able to rent their own place, eat fairly well and be entertained. Idk if Id go that far. I mean, its nice if you can work less. But not everywhere is going to do that It basically like somebody saying I want to make the same amount of money, but work less. Sounds more like whining a little bit, tbh. Because where does it stop. For example, let say instead of 40 hours a week, we already worked 30 hours a week. Chances are you would be in this topic saying instead of 30 hours a week, we should be able to live off of 20 hours a week. It doesnt really seem like it would end. It would just seem like people want more time off. Im not saying 40 is perfect, but I also think its fine. Plus, more pay for less hours at this point would probably mean people paying for their own insurance in whole, rather than getting a smaller discount or sorts due to their job --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zedonra 02/13/22 9:58:31 PM #43: |
I'm just glad I live in a place where the rents are reasonable (and yet still not in the middle of nowhere) so I don't have to cook every single day (which would eat into my free time like crazy). =X --- Playing: ToA, TotA, SM Odyssey, MH:R, MHW: IB | MR329+/HR 561+ | LS/CB/GS/BOW "The imagination is a weapon, those who don't use it, die first" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JOExHIGASHI 02/13/22 10:01:14 PM #45: |
EvilMegas posted... Lol so if you can only manage to get a part time job, you don't deserve to live?You get welfare in that scenario --- Next Xbox will be named Xbox1 2 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kanatteru 02/13/22 11:15:53 PM #46: |
LinkPizza posted... Chances are you would be in this topic saying instead of 30 hours a week, we should be able to live off of 20 hours a week. sure that sounds good. why do you think that's bad --- despair-inducing | she/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zareth 02/13/22 11:20:21 PM #47: |
papercup posted... In what situation would it be appropriate not to pay somebody a livable wage?In every possible situation, if the corporations had their way. --- In my opinion, all slavery is wrong, even the really fancy kind - Mead ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Entity13 02/13/22 11:32:57 PM #49: |
papercup posted... In what situation would it be appropriate not to pay somebody a livable wage? Something under the table like paying a teenager to mow the lawn, but even that has ethical limitations to how low you can go. --- http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb179/EntityXIII/entityfn7.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LinkPizza 02/13/22 11:33:59 PM #50: |
Kanatteru posted... sure that sounds good. why do you think that's bad Never said it's bad. Just said it sounds like whining. And chance are people would always whine that whatever they were working was too much... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zareth 02/13/22 11:40:22 PM #51: |
Jesus Zang, who pissed in your cheerios this morning? Go outside, get some fresh air, stop being pissed at the smallest things. --- In my opinion, all slavery is wrong, even the really fancy kind - Mead ... Copied to Clipboard!
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