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MartianManchild
01/20/22 6:36:04 AM
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https://news.yahoo.com/biden-questions-us-midterm-elections-014549478.html

Lmao. This dude knows the democrats are going to get steamrolled in this years midterms so he decides to pull a few tactics from the Trump playbook by already questioning the legitimacy of the election. What a loser.
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Veedrock-
01/20/22 6:55:13 AM
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As a political tactic it obviously works. Not necessarily in overturning results, but in entrenching voters in your platform.

He's playing the long game for Biden 2024. Calling shenanigans here will generate lots of votes when his own election comes.

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JOExHIGASHI
01/20/22 8:10:25 AM
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Except republicans have a reputation for cheating during elections

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Jen0125
01/20/22 8:12:05 AM
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JOExHIGASHI posted...
Except republicans have a reputation for cheating during elections

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KodyKeir
01/20/22 8:30:45 AM
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JOExHIGASHI posted...
Except republicans have a reputation for cheating during elections

And not just during the election, 19 states have passed voter suppression bills, and the federal bill to protect voting rights for all Americans is as dead as Mitch McConnell is inside.

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papercup
01/20/22 8:32:55 AM
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JOExHIGASHI posted...
Except republicans have a reputation for cheating during elections

This.

I have no hope in any election being fair if Republicans are involved

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adjl
01/20/22 8:35:25 AM
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Yeah, I'm a little more sympathetic to it when there actually has been evidence of significant attempted/successful fraud. In fact, I would even have been sympathetic to Trump's claims of fraud if there had been evidence. Because there wasn't, though, he was just throwing a very dangerous temper tantrum.

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HornedLion
01/20/22 8:41:28 AM
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Why do people act like the house and senate(usually) flipping, to the opposite party thats in the White House during the midterms, isnt a common occurrence?

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KodyKeir
01/20/22 8:58:43 AM
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HornedLion posted...
Why do people act like the house and senate(usually) flipping, to the opposite party thats in the White House during the midterms, isnt a common occurrence?

I think we are all well aware of how common it is, the problem this time is that it will mean the death of Western Democracy.

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BEERandWEED
01/20/22 9:01:18 AM
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KodyKeir posted...
I think we are all well aware of how common it is, the problem this time is that it will mean the death of Western Democracy.
Lol that happened decades ago.

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faramir77
01/20/22 9:34:34 AM
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US democracy is in extreme trouble, and the nonsensical polarization done by both sides (although much more so by the right) is accelerating these issues.

Biden is leagues better than Trump, but Biden still sucks ass. His Ukraine/Russia news conference yesterday was one of the most recklessly idiotic things I've ever seen a major politician do.

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KodyKeir
01/20/22 9:53:01 AM
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faramir77 posted...
His Ukraine/Russia news conference yesterday was one of the most recklessly idiotic things I've ever seen a major politician do.

Good lord that was dumb.

Don't invade Ukraine. Okay, you can invade Ukraine, but just the tip.

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HornedLion
01/20/22 10:56:27 AM
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BEERandWEED posted...
Lol that happened decades ago.

And yet certain folks would rather bitch about immigrants and transgender restrooms rather than about the corporate takeover of America. Furthermore, they vote for the party that sides with the ultra rich 100% of the time.

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BEERandWEED
01/20/22 6:47:22 PM
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HornedLion posted...
they vote for the party that sides with the ultra rich 100% of the time.
That's both parties and almost all politicians.

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adjl
01/20/22 6:50:06 PM
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BEERandWEED posted...
That's both parties and almost all politicians.

One party and its politicians side with the ultra-rich 100% of the time. The other party and its politicians side with the ultra-rich like 95% of the time, throwing in the occasional policy that benefits society more than the ultra-rich for the sake of appeasing their voter base.

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Metalsonic66
01/20/22 6:53:58 PM
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MartianManchild posted...
pull a few tactics from the Trump playbook by already questioning the legitimacy of the election. What a loser.
So you admit Trump is a loser who lied about the election results

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Zeus
01/20/22 6:59:22 PM
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JOExHIGASHI posted...
Except republicans have a reputation for cheating during elections

papercup posted...
This.

I have no hope in any election being fair if Republicans are involved

*Cue laugh track*

Although I guess this shows the propaganda is effective.

adjl posted...
Yeah, I'm a little more sympathetic to it when there actually has been evidence of significant attempted/successful fraud. In fact, I would even have been sympathetic to Trump's claims of fraud if there had been evidence. Because there wasn't, though, he was just throwing a very dangerous temper tantrum.

There was less to assure integrity integrity in 2020, considering the mass rollout of previously untested practices.

Although what you really mean to say is that you're more sympathetic depending on the party, at which point you don't care whether it's by hook or crook they win.

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Bulbasaur
01/20/22 7:21:08 PM
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except we have solid factual evidence of republicans constantly trying to do voter fraud now, thanks to this last election.

when trump did his investigation after he was elected, and absolutely nothing came of it?

no doubt in my mind the only thing they found was republican voter fraud, which is why they silently dropped it.

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Krazy_Kirby
01/20/22 7:39:03 PM
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I liked how he complained about republicans refusing to work with him to get things done because of who he is...... acting like the democrats didn't do the exact same thing with trump.

both sides are such hypocrites. always bitching about things they do, or would do when/if the roles are reversed.

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Unbridled9
01/20/22 7:50:31 PM
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So Biden's plan to overhaul failed... And as a result of the failure of this overhaul... he's claiming that the election may be illegitimate... despite this being the system that was in place when he got elected since this overhaul (which was rejected) didn't exist yet. So the system that Biden got elected under is illegitimate by his own logic?

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Arcturusisnow
01/20/22 8:44:29 PM
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Zeus posted...
*Cue laugh track*

Although I guess this shows the propaganda is effective.

There was less to assure integrity integrity in 2020, considering the mass rollout of previously untested practices.

Although what you really mean to say is that you're more sympathetic depending on the party, at which point you don't care whether it's by hook or crook they win.
SHUT THE FUCK UP! @Zeus No one gives a flying fuck about your opinion because it is bullshit. So shut the fuck up
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MICHALECOLE
01/20/22 8:46:18 PM
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Richard Nixon was so ahead of his time
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Arcturusisnow
01/20/22 8:46:18 PM
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Unbridled9 posted...
So Biden's plan to overhaul failed... And as a result of the failure of this overhaul... he's claiming that the election may be illegitimate... despite this being the system that was in place when he got elected since this overhaul (which was rejected) didn't exist yet. So the system that Biden got elected under is illegitimate by his own logic?
It is illegitimate. Republicans are doing everything they can to lie, cheat and steal the election. Nice to know the Repugnican propaganda machine is still taking in victims.
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Unbridled9
01/20/22 8:46:31 PM
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I care about everyone's opinion. Even Zeus's. Some get too stupid for me to want to respond at times, but I care about everyone's opinion.

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Unbridled9
01/20/22 8:59:35 PM
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Arcturusisnow posted...
It is illegitimate. Republicans are doing everything they can to lie, cheat and steal the election. Nice to know the Repugnican propaganda machine is still taking in victims.

Bweh?

That makes no sense. Either the system Biden was elected under is legitimate and, thusly, the failure of his reform will not suddenly make the midterms 'illegitimate', or the system was illegitimate when Biden got elected which is why the reforms are needed to make the midterms 'legitimate'. You can't have Biden both be legitimately elected and a change being needed to be made because, otherwise, the election would be illegitimate.

Of course there are some other options. Either A) Biden is misleading by claiming that the election MAY be illegitimate to exaggerate the fact that no election is 100% assured to be completely and totally unbiased. B) The system was legitimate, Biden cheated to win, and is now trying to lock in the measures to ensure future victories but, with the failure, he can't win and is trying to set up a 'no-win' situation. C) Biden didn't cheat to win but is trying to set up a no-win situation regardless. If the Midterms happen and Republicans win, then the election is illegitimate because the Republicans cheated. If the midterms happen and democrats win, then he claims the election is legitimate and Dems hold power.

Let me see if I can put it another way. Can you imagine a realistic and likely scenario in which the Republicans legitimately win the election squarely and fairly in the midterms?

I can see it for both parties, but we're not talking about the Democrats winning right now (would likely be a matter of them trying to drum up the youth voter base around vaccine mandates and anti-Trump/right-wing notions). I'm asking you if you can see a scenario in which, given the current ongoings, the Republics win legitimately, without cheating or anything of the sort, that is realistic and at least plausibly likely to happen?

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GanonsSpirit
01/20/22 9:09:22 PM
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Unbridled9 posted...
That makes no sense. Either the system Biden was elected under is legitimate and, thusly, the failure of his reform will not suddenly make the midterms 'illegitimate', or the system was illegitimate when Biden got elected which is why the reforms are needed to make the midterms 'legitimate'. You can't have Biden both be legitimately elected and a change being needed to be made because, otherwise, the election would be illegitimate.
It's not the same system, Republicans have passed several voter suppression laws since then.

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Metalsonic66
01/20/22 9:13:49 PM
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Georgia definitely did

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BouncyBouncy
01/20/22 9:28:30 PM
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This entire country should be conquered please

we do not know what we are doing. Not Canada though they seem even worse. I think we should be evenly divided between Russia and fuckin Mexico

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Unbridled9
01/20/22 9:48:08 PM
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GanonsSpirit posted...
It's not the same system, Republicans have passed several voter suppression laws since then.

What laws?

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HornedLion
01/21/22 12:34:29 AM
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adjl posted...
One party and its politicians side with the ultra-rich 100% of the time. The other party and its politicians side with the ultra-rich like 95% of the time, throwing in the occasional policy that benefits society more than the ultra-rich for the sake of appeasing their voter base.

This.

I like using the analogy of voting for one party is like drinking a super sugary drink, and the other is like drinking antifreeze. Yeah, theyre both bad for you but one is basically suicide(a lose lose situation), while the other might give you diabetes but also might not. Seems like a pretty straight forward choice. Obviously a nice, healthy, ice cold glass of OJ would be best but we have to go to certain European countries to get that.

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KodyKeir
01/21/22 12:49:17 AM
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Unbridled9 posted...
despite this being the system that was in place when he got elected

Thanks for participating, but you have not been paying attention to the the 19 states that have passed (aprox.) fifty different laws to make it difficult (if not impossible) to vote if you are a person of colour, a student, or just a democrat in general. The election in 2022 will not be with the same rules as the election of 2020.

Zeus posted...
considering the mass rollout of previously untested practices.

Name one.

Every measure that was implemented in 2020 was already in place in some form or another in at least one state.

BouncyBouncy posted...
Not Canada though they seem even worse.

Excuse me? Are you looking to fight? I am not afraid to punch a women, so you can come right up here and enjoy our socialized medicine to aid your transition so I can follow through on that statement.

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Unbridled9
01/21/22 3:00:51 AM
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Thanks for participating, but you have not been paying attention to the the 19 states that have passed (aprox.) fifty different laws to make it difficult (if not impossible) to vote if you are a person of colour, a student, or just a democrat in general. The election in 2022 will not be with the same rules as the election of 2020.

That's not an answer.

What laws? Last I checked no matter what state you resided in, so long as you were a citizen of the US with a valid photo I.D. (Drivers license usually) who is properly registered you can vote.

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KodyKeir
01/21/22 3:11:16 AM
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Unbridled9 posted...
who is properly registered you can vote.

But are you registered to vote though? Check again, you may have been purged from the roles.

Here WaPo complied a thing for you:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/voting-restrictions-republicans-states/

as of March 11th, 2021 there were more then 250 laws proposed in 43 states.

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Unbridled9
01/21/22 3:40:11 AM
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You might want to read that article.

Firstly, it's dealing with restrictions on MAIL-IN AND EARLY VOTING, not on your ability to vote. Someone who wants to vote can still go in person to vote... which is how it's been done for pretty much all of history. There are several states that are asking for people to provide reasons for voting absentee, but not only is that not the same, the majority are already states that are safely red (like Oklahoma). I don't see why the Republicans would 'need to cheat/purge rolls' to win a state they're pretty much always going to win anyways.

Secondly, even if these restrictions were, indeed, some 4D chess move designed specifically to target minority voters, they're still free to vote on election day in-person.

Thirdly, and really think about this, don't you think it's a little bit weird that the narrative is just 'Democrats want fair, free, honest, and open elections but the evil Republicans want to restrict it. So anything they do is bad and hurts democracy while supporting the Democrats is good?' Remember, that bill got blocked via a majority of votes and, well, have you considered that Democrats might ALSO be perfectly willing to do the same lying, cheating, and everything else to win? That, maybe, they are seeing things like what happened in Virginia and NJ and are in a panic and trying to thwart a massive surge of votes against them in the midterms to hold on to power regardless of what the voters want? You seem to be assuming it's going only one way here (Dem good, Rep bad). Heck, it could just as easily be both parties trying to cheat with no good guy (which is close to where I stand personally).

If you ask me though, this reeks more of Biden throwing a hissy fit because his bill got blocked and he's going to pay for it HARD in the midterms as a result than it does of actual corruption on the part of the right. Didn't they have to, like, convince several democrats to come over to their side as well to block?

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KodyKeir
01/21/22 3:50:33 AM
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Unbridled9 posted...
Something, something, deliberately obtuse.


Have fun standing in line when there is one polling station for more than half a million voters. Hope you don't need a drink of water while you're waiting, in some states, that's now a felony.

Unbridled9 posted...
I don't see why the Republicans would 'need to cheat/purge rolls' to win a state they're pretty much always going to win anyways.

And yet, here we are.

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Metalsonic66
01/21/22 4:13:26 AM
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They were "pretty much always gonna win" Georgia too

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adjl
01/21/22 10:00:51 AM
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Zeus posted...
There was less to assure integrity integrity in 2020, considering the mass rollout of previously untested practices.

Although what you really mean to say is that you're more sympathetic depending on the party, at which point you don't care whether it's by hook or crook they win.

There was a clear risk in 2020, but that risk was not at all realized in subsequent investigations, investigations which not only failed to find any significant amount of pro-Democrat fraud, but actually did find significant pro-Republican fraud.

So no, what I really mean to say is that I'm more sympathetic when there has actually been evidence of significant attempted/successful fraud. Which, you may notice, is what I said. If you want to accuse me of lying when I say that, I encourage you to find and cite one or more examples of me excusing evidence of significant attempted/successful fraud. Making baseless accusations isn't going to get you anywhere.

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Blightzkrieg
01/21/22 10:17:21 AM
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BouncyBouncy posted...
This entire country should be conquered please

we do not know what we are doing. Not Canada though they seem even worse. I think we should be evenly divided between Russia and fuckin Mexico
So you want America to be ruled by ethnically diverse crime lords?

This is the future liberals want

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SKARDAVNELNATE
01/21/22 10:46:41 AM
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Biden pulling from the Trump playbook.
I don't see how this Trumps thing. Democrats spent 4 years challenging the legitimacy of an election.

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