Current Events > After bottom surgery, she's never telling a guy shes trans ever again

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eston posted...

If you're sexually attracted to this person before finding out she's trans then it really is all in your head

I mean. If someone is pre op and then they whip out their penis....

Pretty sure you can still tell the difference between a manmade hole and a natural one.

Autocraticus posted...

Pretty sure you can still tell the difference between a manmade hole and a natural one.

Its very obvious. Youd know as soon as the clothes came off.

Garioshi posted...

Do you know what bottom surgery is

People who have never seen a vag IRL: "you can just tell when you see it bro, dude trust me"

Gwynevere posted...

People who have never seen a vag IRL: "you can just tell when you see it bro, dude trust me"

Lol, my thought too. I have heard you can't always tell nowadays. Never seen a post op trans woman nude myself (I don't think lol)

bsp77 posted...

Lol, my thought too. I have heard you can't always tell nowadays. Never seen a post op trans woman nude myself (I don't think lol)

Yeah, the thing some people don't realize is there's a huge variety in the aesthetic of natural born labia, beyond the idealized look in production porn. To say you could always spot the difference would imply that there's some standard to compare against, which simply isn't the case in reality

Assuming a well done bottom surgery, of course

I mean, you can do whatever you want, just do it with the expectation of reciprocation.

If you want to keep your past a secret that's fine, but don't expect or demand any sort of openness from your partner after doing so.

Gwynevere posted...

Yeah, the thing some people don't realize is there's a huge variety in the aesthetic of natural born labia, beyond the idealized look in production porn. To say you could always spot the difference would imply that there's some standard to compare against, which simply isn't the case in reality

Assuming a well done bottom surgery, of course

I've probably seen the most post op vaginas and more than a few natal ones to compare them with. Assuming more than a year has passed so scar stuff isn't fresh and has had plenty of time to fade, even the scars aren't too noticeable because surgeons are getting better and better at hiding any signs anything was ever done there. Which is pretty ideal all things considered.

Besides it looking different, it will also feel different. I mean trans cant get wet, so youd know.....just the wet part you cant really figure out unless your going in, or stick your finger in there.

Just vulgar, and Im not a guy that likes to censor myself but blegh^^^^

Like any plastic surgery, your results may vary. There are a lot of boob jobs that you can tell aren't "real". So too with any bottom surgery

ManaYuka posted...

Besides it looking different, it will also feel different. I mean trans cant get wet, so youd know.....just the wet part you cant really figure out unless your going in, or stick your finger in there.

Just vulgar, and Im not a guy that likes to censor myself but blegh^^^^

That's not true at all, they can get plenty wet by themselves and squirt even. Again, I'm the one who has actual knowledge both because it's relevant to my personal experience and the fact I've fucked plenty of girls with various genital configurations.

Perascamin posted...

I mean. If someone is pre op and then they whip out their penis....

That's not what this topic is about

gunplagirl posted...

That's not true at all, they can get plenty wet by themselves and squirt even. Again, I'm the one who has actual knowledge both because it's relevant to my personal experience and the fact I've fucked plenty of girls with various genital configurations.

Ok ill Acquiesce to you on that one....still this all is too much. Rather not think of someone getting their penile skin removed ugh. Im in pain just thinking about it.

ManaYuka posted...

Ok ill Acquiesce to you on that one....still this all is too much. Rather not think of someone getting their penile skin removed ugh. Im in pain just thinking about it.

So basically there's two main ways of doing it and one is penile inversion so the penile skin is still there just rearranged, and scrotal inversion so it's using the scrotum mostly. You're under either way so it's not like the pain is from the stuff getting removed.

It wouldn't apply to me since I would never date a transwoman but if she wants to fuck around and play like that, she better stick to some solidly open-minded men cause that's a hell of a thing to try and hide.

Apparently, neovaginas actually can "get wet" if you get a colovaginoplasty. But the "wetness" is simply mucosal secretions from the colon and isn't tied to sexual arousal.

The smell is different too.

MutantJohn posted...

Apparently, neovaginas actually can "get wet" if you get a colovaginoplasty. But the "wetness" is simply mucosal secretions from the colon and isn't tied to sexual arousal.

For self lubrication levels of wetness yeah. For general wetness like, 'oh hey I just had a sexy daydream' type of "I'm wet" stuff, it's not necessary.

Fazeo13 posted...

The smell is different too.

Nah. Hell, after a year or two on HRT most trans girls penis will smell like a vaginas. Estrogen is a heck of a chemical.

Why would she ever have to unless she's in a serious relationship where the man wants a natural born child?

_Angel_ posted...

It wouldn't apply to me since I would never date a transwoman but if she wants to fuck around and play like that, she better stick to some solidly open-minded men cause that's a hell of a thing to try and hide.

This is like bragging you'd never give money to an orphanage if you won a billion dollar lottery. Weird thing to try and flex about since you'll never have any trans girls interested in you. No winning the lottery either.

Maybe in some future society this wouldn't be a big deal but in the year of our lord 2022, I'd say people have a right to know.

It's just the Right Thing to do and doing otherwise is selfish and culturally obtuse.

gunplagirl posted...

This is like bragging you'd never give money to an orphanage if you won a billion dollar lottery. Weird thing to try and flex about since you'll never have any trans girls interested in you. No winning the lottery either.

Now that's some cope if I ever saw it

This topic is littered with bad generalizations, in particular, the "you're the problem if you lose attraction after discovering someone is transgender".

I hate to break it to some of you living in fantasy land, but you don't need a good reason to break up with someone. You don't need a good reason to lose attraction either. No one owes you a relationship.

People have been dumped for far less than something like hiding bottom surgery.

Why do people so often conflate "She doesn't have to tell you" with "You're a bigot if you find out and change your mind"?

You're allowed to be attracted to whoever you want for any reason at all, but she still does not have to tell you she's trans.

gunplagirl posted...

I'm a really sensitive dude and self-reflection and self-examination are important to me. I try to operate a policy of complete honesty with myself, including those things that are part of me or my past which are painful. If I'm being completely honest with myself and genuine in my self expression then it's necessary to share the content of this honesty and associated feelings with my long term relationships. I don't expect "full disclosure" in return but I have to admit where there is an obvious imbalance in the truth and vulnerability shared I can't be comfortable in that relationship. I totally admit here this is my high standards and expectations and I don't judge anyone negatively if they don't meet it, it only means we're both likely better off investing our energies elsewhere (romantic relationship-wise).

Moving to my question, if a trans woman has the intention to never share their past relating to certain subjects how can a romantic relationship I have with them ever be truly balanced (balance in the sense that I've referred to it above)? How can something so fundamental to a person's experience/struggle with existence be completely erased and off the table?

I acknowledge these points are deeply personal and subjective but I find it difficult to understand how true trust and companionship can blossom in an environment where a whole section of one's lived experience is taboo. I'm not inferring there's a right or wrong, I'd just like your thoughts on these points because I hope to learn something.

I dont even like fake tits on a bitch, why would I like like fake vajajay? He'll yeah, full disclosure bitch
Have fun f'ing a piece of leather guys

what is it about this topic that gets so many accounts that have never been seen posting here to vomit all over the place?

MutantJohn posted...

Apparently, neovaginas actually can "get wet" if you get a colovaginoplasty. But the "wetness" is simply mucosal secretions from the colon and isn't tied to sexual arousal.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/6/8/AATz36AACxEU.jpg

Always a good idea to start a relationship with dishonesty. What could go wrong?

Bottom. Buttom. Bootum. Strange word, but sounds exactly like the thing it describes. Bottom

Solid Snake07 posted...

Always a good idea to start a relationship with dishonesty. What could go wrong?

I mean look at it this way: she hates she was born with the wrong parts and wants to forget about it and has gone to great lengths to do so.

Now she has to relive this truth every time she meets someone? Why? It could be traumatic.

MutantJohn posted...

Apparently, neovaginas actually can "get wet" if you get a colovaginoplasty. But the "wetness" is simply mucosal secretions from the colon and isn't tied to sexual arousal.

oh no

CommunismFTW posted...

Apparently, neovaginas actually can "get wet" if you get a colovaginoplasty. But the "wetness" is simply mucosal secretions from the colon and isn't tied to sexual arousal.

Smells like butt. A real double wide surprise.

Medussa posted...

what is it about this topic that gets so many accounts that have never been seen posting here to vomit all over the place?

Either lurkers that are incredibly triggered by trans people, or people dusting off the alts

Who knows really

Right

Lets see the shoulders and the height

Neck looks kinda weird.

it'll come out eventually anyway if they're pursuing something long term

MutantJohn posted...

Apparently, neovaginas actually can "get wet" if you get a colovaginoplasty. But the "wetness" is simply mucosal secretions from the colon and isn't tied to sexual arousal.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/1/2/AAIY7IAABp9c.jpg

Garioshi posted...

Do you know what bottom surgery is

ya

According to da poll, 75% say dey are NOT ok with dis

hockeybub89 posted...

Why would she ever have to unless she's in a serious relationship where the man wants a natural born child?

Because not everyone hops in bed with a woman solely for sex.

Despite many in this topic being disingenuous, many do choose a woman to be with for the potential kid they might produce down the road. Even if initially they are playing it safe early with condoms.

Just all around lying through omission is being disingenuous. No matter how you feel about it, presently a cis woman and and trans woman are not the same.

asdf8562 posted...

Because not everyone hops in bed with a woman solely for sex.

Despite many in this topic being disingenuous, many do choose a woman to be with for the potential kid they might produce down the road. Even if initially they are playing it safe early with condoms.

For this I do feel a woman who doesn't eat kids or can't should also.be upfront about it

Hey guys, my gf had a boob reduction when she was younger and didn't tell me until I got her naked.

Going via the logic of this topic, is this lying by omission and should I break up with her?

CyricZ posted...

Hey guys, my gf had a boob reduction when she was younger and didn't tell me until I got her naked.

Going via the logic of this topic, is this lying by omission and should I break up with her?

Disingenuous comparison. That isn't the logic, but you knew that.

Wrong on so many levels.

Peoples obsession with trans people telling them theyre trans is fucking bizarre

Just stop expecting peoples medical history, its weird

asdf8562 posted...

Disingenuous comparison. That isn't the logic, but you knew that.

So it isn't lying by omission?

Xavier_On_High posted...

She doesn't have to say shit.

this. especially if no one can tell, it literally makes no difference.

CyricZ posted...

So it isn't lying by omission?

Lying by omission isn't the "simple" problem people are having. But you knew this as being disingenuous with this entire discussion is the main drive of people "not understanding" and incorrectly saying "there's no difference."