Board 8 > Spider-Man topic (spoilers, none in first post)

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His high school years are over, adulthood begins. He left Home.

The following movies will be all titled around apartments.

Spider-Man: A World Apartment
Spider-Man: Falling Apartment
Spider-Man: Apartment Sorrow

Or they'll have Rent in the title somewhere

There is potholes, but I enjoyed it. Probably moreso to see my past movies on screen again. Idk how a younger generation would feel though. Some of the movie seemed pointless, but that's okay. Wasn't the infinity war/endgame level movie everyone hyped it to be though.

Corrik7 posted...

There is potholes, but I enjoyed it. Probably moreso to see my past movies on screen again. Idk how a younger generation would feel though. Some of the movie seemed pointless, but that's okay. Wasn't the infinity war/endgame level movie everyone hyped it to be though.

Sure... but if it wasn't an MCU movie and the last two weren't either... It's as close to that as a Spiderman movie could really get. It was the Spiderman only version of ending an era to setup another. It wrapped up 20 years of Spiderman movies pretty well, far better than Sony could have ever done on their own.

Clearly it should be called Spider-Man: Home Alone where he has to fend off the Wet Bandits.

Now I want the Wet Bandits to be the ones to actually defeat Spiderman

Maybe he doesn't realize their weakness is marbles and icy stairs and heated doorknobs, and it turns out his webs and flippy kicks have no effect.

I feel like this was the quintessential marvel movie.

The script was great, the acting was great, it was extremely enjoyable.

And for some reason I have no desire to actually recommend it to anyone. It was probably one of the best pure super hero movies I have ever seen (as opposed to Shang chi which is a super-martial arts, SM homecoming which is a super-coming of age etc)

Which is great.. but at the end of the day really doesnt differentiate itself from the 100 other good super hero movies.

The one thing I wanted to see in cinema growing up was a Bloodsport-type martial arts movie that had all the big names like Jackie Chan, Jet Li, an older Chuck Norris, JCVD, etc. No, not the Expendables. A badass martial arts tournament.

This movie basically made me feel how I think I would feel if that actually happened.

SwiftyDC posted...

The one thing I wanted to see in cinema growing up was a Bloodsport-type martial arts movie that had all the big names like Jackie Chan, Jet Li, an older Chuck Norris, JCVD, etc. No, not the Expendables. A badass martial arts tournament.

This movie basically made me feel how I think I would feel if that actually happened.

The Expendables is an OK version of this

Can you imagine how much more badass that would have been than the expendables. Of course none of them would agree to lose so the tournament setting couldnt work.

PerfectChaosZ posted...

Can you imagine how much more badass that would have been than the expendables. Of course none of them would agree to lose so the tournament setting couldnt work.

Main Character: JCVD
Villain: Jet Li
Old Vet that holds their own but ultimately loses due to old age/coach: Chuck Norris
Potential but ultimately wasted due to being a drunk/fan favorite: Jackie Chan

No Way Home was fantastic; can't wait to add to the ever growing MCU library

LinkMarioSamus posted...

Then again I didn't like Homecoming much to begin with.

What how?? I just watched it again for the first time since it's release and it surprised me just how good it is. It definitely moved up a few slots in my personal ranking after the re-watch.

Maybe I should watch it again, but I don't have much desire to do so.

I'm sure some YouTube rando will tell you how to think about it eventually

TBH when I watched Homecoming and Guardians 2 I just wound up tuning out the whole time. I'd need to re-watch both films to gauge my opinion on them better, but I'm more interested in re-visiting the latter due to Kurt Russell's presence and how many have spoken of the movie as one of the most underrated MCU installments as time passes.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

TBH when I watched Homecoming and Guardians 2 I just wound up tuning out the whole time.

Why?

He was watching YouTube randos talk about the movie while watching the movie, very hard to focus on both

Leonhart4 posted...

He was watching YouTube randos talk about the movie while watching the movie, very hard to focus on both

'oh'

I mean I wasn't, but whatever.

I enjoyed this movie. wish my theater was a bit more rowdy like some of yours were. I wanted to applaud when Toby appeared. I also was often the only one laughing at many of the jokes. The person I came with even shushed me. It was like a dang museum in that theater.

Leonhart4 posted...

He was watching YouTube randos talk about the movie while watching the movie, very hard to focus on both

Yeah not true. We have already determined earlier in the topic he doesn't even watch the videos, just reads the titles and reacts to that

What do people think about where Peter is at the end of the movie?

I was thinking about what defines this Peter from the previous ones, and the easy answer was his relationships. Tony and Ned, primarily, though Happy and May were big too. Even Strange had an avenue to replace Tony, given the twos adventures in Infinity War and this movie.

But now he has nothing. Not even a cool suit.. So what defines him anymore?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

What do people think about where Peter is at the end of the movie?

I was thinking about what defines this Peter from the previous ones, and the easy answer was his relationships. Tony and Ned, primarily, though Happy and May were big too. Even Strange had an avenue to replace Tony, given the twos adventures in Infinity War and this movie.

But now he has nothing. Not even a cool suit.. So what defines him anymore?

I think that's important to tackle if there is a next movie honestly. I'm cool with that being open ended here

What defines him is that he gave all that up to save the world, and then chose not to reinsert himself into people's lives. I don't think that sticks though, but then you at least can do a story about him rebuilding that life. I guess my cynical take is that part is open ended just in case he gets ejected from the MCU again.

Still, I like where he ended up. I agree with the take that this feels like a really weird origin story and feel like it is a good thing he is being made more like other Peter Parkers. His reliance on Tony Stark and other established heroes was stifling the character, and not having the "with great power" speech internalized yet was another defining aspect of the character that I don't think was necessarily a good or fun choice. You can really see this in Far From Home which relies entirely on those two things and is Not Good as a Spider-Man movie.

There's not a thing in there I agree with lol.

Time will tell if they have ideas that work out with this set-up. It seems really lazy, but if the plot element is required, then maybe it'll turn out for the better.

At the very least, he'll probably start working for the Daily Bugle now that his identity is a secret again. I just wonder what villain they go with next.

They can also cross him over with the Fantastic Four once they debut since he's close with them in the comics.

My prediction was they pull him in with the Defenders, or at the least, Daredevil.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Time will tell if they have ideas that work out with this set-up. It seems really lazy, but if the plot element is required, then maybe it'll turn out for the better.

There's been literal decades of Spider-Man stories with this setup, I think they'll be fine on ideas

Leonhart4 posted...
I just wonder what villain they go with next.

Well they just teased Venom

Actually he has a lot of stories with Kingpin too, so maybe they can do something there, too, especially if they team him up with Daredevil.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

There's been literal decades of Spider-Man stories with this setup, I think they'll be fine on ideas

Yeah but that's also a big reason why I disagreed with parts of your post!

At least this is a good way to get us speculating lol.

I'm hoping we see Michael Mando back as Scorpion in the next one that then leads into him eventually getting the symbiote.

I don't really need another Eddie Brock so just skipping to Mac Gargan Venom is fine with me, plus I think Mando would kill it.

Considering this film tried to be about consequence, I could see them going the Ned Hobgoblin angle as a consequence of him abandoning his friend, but it also seems unlikely they'll continue to punish Peter when he's already lost everything, even though he deserves it.

Oh another thing they could (and should) do is bring Miles in. The PS4 games have done something similar but there's more room to explore that kind of dynamic. They have been teasing Miles a bit (first with Donald Glover in Homecoming, then with Jaime Foxx's joke in NWH) so it's not out of the question.

This would also be a cool way to use Venom. Act 1 is Peter discovering another Spider-Man and tracking him down, Act 2 is them bonding and Peter mentoring Miles as they team up to take down a villain, Act 3 is Peter gets possessed by the symbiote and Miles has to prove himself on his own.

Hire me Sony

I mean Ned can be a stand-in for Harry Osborn, and the character consistently suffers because of the dichotomy between being Peter Parker and Spider-Man, so him feeling guilt over Ned going down that path because of what he did would fall in line with that.

I actually really love the subversion of the best friend turning evil trope they had going on with Ned, so I'd hate to see that. Punishing Tom Holland is fine but Ned doesn't deserve that!

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Act 2 is them bonding and Peter mentoring Miles as they team up to take down a villain,

Donald Glover Prowler

Good call

Honestly the hardest part of doing Miles would be convincing Donald Glover to leave his cave to reprise his role. Disney's got the money if he'll still accept it.

Daily Bugle, black suit, Scorpion and Mac Gargon Venom are all good bets for the next film (or the one after). I could see them introducing some more 'animal' characters like Black Cat and Rhino too before doing Kraven. Good excuse to bring back Vulture too.

As for Miles, I can see Phase 3 ending with some kind of minor multiverse collapse/merge as an excuse to bring in a bunch of chataracters like Deadpool (and his supporting cast, possibly the rest of the X-Men), Venom and Miles. Spider-Verse and Marvel's Spider-Man are both still fresh enough that we don't need to cover his origin story again, so we get to skip to him dealing with being Spider-Man in a world that already has a Spider-Man.

they're not going to do old man Miles Morales

Finally watched this, it was fantastic. Definitely one of my favourite MCU movies.

I tried to stay away from discussions or rumours but the Tobey and Andrew Garfield rumours were way too strong, so I hoped, but I tried not to get it explicitly confirmed for me until I watched the movie. Was so psyched when I saw it happened. So many wonderful callbacks and moments.

I always thought that Andrew Garfield's Spiderman was the best iteration so I was really glad to see him come back and just be funny and amazing. His moment when he caught MJ was so great as well.

I didn't expect Daredevil or Venom to make cameos in this so those caught my by surprise. I really should get around to watching Venom 2.

Garfield's charisma in the role honestly kind of dwarfed the other two I think (and I like the other two). He was fantastic

Peter nonconsensually removing MJ from his life does makehim available for Black Cat. He's post-high school now though, so they can't quite pull off the way Ultimate did it.

Since No Way Home was in many ways the MCU's take on One More Day, I wouldn't be surprised too see elements of Brand New Day in the next movie. Like maybe Peter starts volunteering at the FEAST Center to try and still feel connected to Aunt May, by being around the people she worked with. And maybe now that she's gone Martin Li is in charge. I don't know if we'd get Mister Negative as the villain or if this would just be like Curt Connors in Spider-Man 2 and 3.

Given recent reappearances, a story involving Daredevil and Kingpin could happen too, possibly with Punisher also appearing.

And I think we'll get a black suit/Scorpion/Mac Gargan Venom story soon, but maybe not until the one after next.

XIII_rocks posted...

Garfield's charisma in the role honestly kind of dwarfed the other two I think (and I like the other two). He was fantastic

He just looked like he was so happy to be there and I was all for it.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Peter nonconsensually removing MJ from his life does makehim available for Black Cat. He's post-high school now though, so they can't quite pull off the way Ultimate did it.

Maybe they could do a Gwen as well, could be interesting now that he knows that Andrew's Gwen died.

They might introduce another live interest, but he'll end up with MJ in the end again, assuming there aren't any Sony shenanigans.

Peter Parker has the most love interests this side of Batman.

Betty Brant time