Board 8 > Spider-Man topic (spoilers, none in first post)

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I think I mustve missed something about the ending.

So Dr Strange messes up the spell because of Peter and people who know Peter Parker is Spider-Man in any universe start entering their universe. After Green Goblin breaks the containment case, he cant just undo the spell or cast a new one where everyone forgets Peter Parker is Spider-Man for some reason. What he can do is cast a spell so people forget who Peter Parker is all together (because presumably if no one knows Peter Parker then they cant know hes Spider-Man).

This works and sends people back because I guess they no longer know Peter Parker at all so they no longer know Peter Parker is Spider-Man. Sodoes that mean SM2 and SM3 are now going back to worlds where their friends and family now have no clue who they are? And why would it send SM2 and SM3 back? Is the implication that they also dont know who Peter Parker is anymore?

The magic at the end wasnt entirely clear to me.

It's magic, what's not to get?

I also think it is less likely them leaving the door open for future movies and more likely they wrote themselves into a corner and this was the cleanest way they could figure out to "reset" everything.

See - the other Spidermen going back kinda implies that they also don't know who Peter Parker is anymore, because that was what was sending everyone back.

I imagine it means they forget about the Tom Holland Spider-Man (and possibly Garfield forgets about Tobey and vice-versa? But who knows).

but yeah I wouldn't bet on there being another Spider-Man set in the Tobey or Garfield universe unless the MCU just loses the rights and Sony decides to go their own way with the franchise again

Strange never starts that spell without explaining what the effect is, yeah.

Strange never starts that spell without explaining what the effect is, yeah.

I also don't really get this. Strange's defining flaw is his arrogance and it's fully on display here. Even when he is trying to be humble and do Peter a favor he jumps to his own conclusion. He's trying to treat Peter as a colleague ("Ok Steven") and not a teenager and assumes they're on the same page with his brief explanation. Unfortunately for Strange, MCU Peter is a dumbass that has not learned about power and responsibility yet. That's the point of Strange's meltdown when he learns Peter didn't even talk to the college. He realizes he was wrong and Peter's just a kid, and the arrogance is fully back.

Is it dumb? Yeah. Doesn't feel particularly out of character, though.

Peter knows about power and responsibility. He had a full two movies about it already.

All three movies are about Peter struggling to fix his own (and Tony's, and Strange's) reckless mistakes. So yeah they're about that but it sure did take him a while to figure that out!

And it can take him even longer if it's convenient for the next writer to also need Peter to not understand basic responsibility stuff that he's demonstrated understanding before.

I dont even blame Peter for most of this movie! Mysterio/JJJ/Strange are more at fault. I mostly think the only bad thing Peter really did was betray MJ's trust (and I guess not listen to Strange when it was time to send people back?).

What lesson did he learn from FFH, exactly?

Yeah, I don't buy that Peter has necessarily "learned" those lessons in the first two movies. The way Spider-Man learns those lessons is that it costs him someone close to him. That's just how it's always been for the character.

Perhaps, but I don't think he learned it in this movie the most. What did he learn from losing May? That he was right to try to do the right thing even though he's punished for it?

Nah, in the first two movies, there's an undercurrent of, "I'm not ready for the full responsibility of being Spider-Man and I also kinda don't want it because I enjoy being Peter Parker."

May's death and her dying words drive home the point of, "You have a responsibility to use your power as Spider-Man, whether you want to or nor and whether you feel ready for it or not." He has to learn there's no distinction between being Peter Parker and being Spider-Man. He's not one or the other. He's both.

Perhaps, but I don't think he learned it in this movie the most. What did he learn from losing May? That he was right to try to do the right thing even though he's punished for it?

Except now he's not.

Nah, he still is. It's why he can't bring himself to tell MJ and Ned at the end.

Movie 2 is about not wanting to accept the responsibility of replacing Iron Man. He literally gives away Iron Man's glasses (great power) to another superhero so he doesn't have to deal with the responsibility.

The glasses are the most obvious example but he also leaves for vacation without bringing his suit, he avoids Nick Fury, tries to ask if other superheroes can deal with the elementals instead of himself.

Sure, but either way, I don't expect that to stick unless Zendaya decides she doesn't want to be part of the MCU anymore.

Tony's gift to Peter wasn't a pair of glasses that lets you drone strike half the population.

Also, sidebar, wasn't the entire plot of Winter Soldier preventing this sort of system from existing?

This is my main beef with Far From Home: Peter Parker dealing with having to become an Iron Man successor is... dumb? It's much, MUCH bigger than the "Peter vs Spidey" dynamic. He shouldn't have to, Tony is much more immensely irresponsible for putting him in that position, it is ridiculous that every other character goes along with it. It turns out Peter can only ever have one (1) responsible adult in his life and then they fucking die.

The stuff about him abdicating all superhero responsibility and Aunt May packing him his suit is good though. But that's why I framed it the way I did. He has to learn about accepting power and responsibility but he doesn't learn how to actually use it because the rest is him putting out his own fire.