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XIII_rocks 12/15/21 4:06:19 PM #1: |
To prevent the mcu topic turning into a heavily redacted CIA document (Reposting because I criminally forgot the hyphen) Fucking yes One of the best MCU movies, and up there with Endgame as something to enjoy in the cinema --- Not to be confused with XIII_minerals. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 12/15/21 4:24:59 PM #2: |
So Spoilers are gonna start Right now Stop OK let's go Willem Dafoe is the man in this, and the fights with him did their best (while I think still being constrained by the MCU's overall lack of really vicious fight scenes) to match the brutality of the fight with Tobey Maguire Spider-Man in the first movie. That was something I really liked. The final fight particularly was so aggressive and nasty, and I love that What I liked overall about this was how weighty it was. I previously said I wasn't as high on the other Holland movies as some because both him and the movies themselves feel flimsy and lightweight, and the charisma of RDJ hung over both of them - for all of TASM2's flaws, it feels like a big movie from the first 5 minutes, and that was never true of the Holland Spider-Man movies until this one. This movie was not at all flimsy, and Holland himself was leagues ahead of any previous performance. It felt weighty and somehow real despite all the crazy multiverse shit going on May dying was horrific but I'm glad they did it, the movie is far stronger because of it, and the finale is clever on several different levels. Stuff I didn't like - not much, but Jamie Foxx being suddenly "cool Jamie Foxx character" as opposed to the nerd he used to be felt a bit jarring, and Sandman was a fucking charisma vacuum and stood out like a sore thumb among the other 5 bad guys (though you could kind of see that coming). Also thought they could have done more to differentiate the three Spidermen in the final battle because I had almost no idea which one was which. Two credits scenes were both good for different reasons. The second one was completely unexpected. Did not expect unreleased Dr. Strange 2 footage/trailer. Obviously all the fanservice shit got a laugh out of me. I think...maybe some of it became a little cheap, but I have to admit I still loved it in the moment I'm not sure how this will stand the test of time because it's so reliant on the big moments and the fanservice, and that can wear off on repeat viewings once the initial thrill is gone, but there is an awesome big-hearted movie underneath it all Last thing: Civil War is still a Cap movie, he is the central driving character, but it (necessarily) loses focus on that and spins a lot of different plates - Iron Man, Natasha, Black Panther, Zemo all have their arcs. This has a LOT of shit going on, but it is still absolutely Tom Holland's movie, and everything in it - all the fanservice and the extra characters - they all lead back to him. That's what might allow it to stand beyond its fanservice moments Just some scattered thoughts, the adrenaline is pumping still. So good --- Not to be confused with XIII_minerals. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nanis23 12/15/21 5:26:50 PM #3: |
Just came back home after seeing it. I am not huge on Marvel movies, most of them are generic and overrated imo, and I really hated the first Iron Ma..I mean, the first Spider Man movie, and only watched the second one this weekend and though it was just "ok" But this one was great. Like 9/10 great. It's not easy to excite me with fanservice or references/easter eggs, but they pulled it off perfectly. I loved how the entire crowd in the cinema clapped and cheered when Andrew showed up (and did the same thing when Tobey showed up) Wasn't really a fan of the memory loss at the end (I usually hate this trope in general) but I am sure they will fix it at some later movie so it's not such a big deal Humor scenes with the other two Spider Man were perfect too --- wololo ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Pokalicious 12/16/21 1:57:49 AM #4: |
Tag for tomorrow --- ph33r teh masta~! Currently playing - Pokemon GO ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BetrayedTangy 12/16/21 7:56:17 PM #5: |
I actually wasn't that crazy about this one. There was a ton I liked but I think it's sitting squarely in the middle as far as Holland's movies go. First off I'm so tired of these big info dumps we get pre release. Everything that got big reactions in the theater, would've been so much bigger if no one suspected any of it. Now I will say I absolutely loved seeing all the villains here. They all played off each other really well and Wilhem Dafoe put in a killer performance as usual. I do think Jamie Foxx was a bit jarring, but I'd think I'd rather that than seeing Nerdy Blue Electro again. Seeing all the Spider-Men together was also really cool and honestly I'd say this cements Garfield as my favorite. Holland did still put in some serious work though, especially during May's death and while fighting Goblin. Plus I'm genuinely curious about where Peter goes from here, now that all of his supporting characters are out of the picture. There's still something that I felt was missing from it though and I just can't put my finger on it. I'm not sure if it was the pacing or lack of consistency, but I just can't help but feel some lack of potential. I definitely need to think about it more. Also wtf was the point of that Eddie Brock end credit scene? Not only does it make Venom 2's end credit bogus, but it doesn't make any sense. Eddie has no clue who Peter is. If they wanted a symbiote tease, maybe they just couldn't get Topher Grace, but we're getting Gorr next year, who could just as easily bring one in. I thought the Kraven and Scorpion Tease was a lot cooler. Anyway I thought it was good, I just think the hype got a little out of hand for it. --- https://www.backloggery.com/betrayedtangerin ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mega Mana 12/16/21 10:52:43 PM #6: |
I loved it. There was so much to love that I loved so much of it. I had only minor quibbles that my brain is focusing on for some dumb reason (Alfred Molina's ever-changing wig, Lizard and Sandman felt very ancillary but that's also fair as their characters felt ancillary, Ned doing magic and opening portals reminded me of The Flash's Cisco going from tech best friend to best friend who also has latent portal powers, Favorite sweetest moments OTTOMH:
Two silly things of note while they're on my mind:
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Mega Mana 12/16/21 11:13:38 PM #7: |
Like... I think this might be my favorite Spider-Man movie and one of my favorite MCU movies. There is a toooonnn in here to like, and it also brings out some of the best parts of the Raimi/Garfield movies without having to deal with a lot of the stuff that hasn't aged well at all. Willem Dafoe is at the absolute peak, doing Green Goblin stronger and scarier than his original outing somehow. There's no Topher Grace, no montage of Peter Parker celebrating his powers being gone, no James Franco ham, no Kirsten Dunst, the cameos were MCU related and not hosts from The Soup. Also, also, also... I loved that Happy Hogan was in the scene with Matt Murdock, and that he needs a really good lawyer. I really really hope there's a short made with Jon Favreau and Elden Henson just for the sheer silliness of Foggy Nelson representing Foggy Nelson. --- "In my headcanon, some staffer saw Trump pull out his phone and start typing so they just Terry Tate Office Linebacker'd him out of his shoes." - FFD ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Murphiroth 12/16/21 11:47:41 PM #8: |
Super impressed with how well paced this was and how much they managed to do with such a large cast. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 12/17/21 1:35:10 AM #9: |
Mega Mana posted... Lizard and Spider-Man fighting in the lab after going through the portal felt quickly reminiscent of the Stan Lee Amazing Spider-Man cameo, just enough of a familiarity without a direct homage. Caught this too. Definitely felt it was deliberate --- Not to be confused with XIII_minerals. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 12/17/21 1:37:29 AM #10: |
Mega Mana posted... Willem Dafoe is at the absolute peak, doing Green Goblin stronger and scarier than his original outing somehow Yeah I also felt he outdid his original performance which is bonkers really --- Not to be confused with XIII_minerals. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SwiftyDC 12/17/21 2:49:02 AM #11: |
Best superhero movie, it was amazing. --- dilateDChemist Last minute changes killed my bracket - still would've got destroyed by azuarc ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChaosTonyV4 12/17/21 9:38:21 AM #12: |
You know Im something of a scientist myself. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JackMan 12/17/21 10:22:47 AM #13: |
I liked it overall, but I also felt like there were a lot of missed opportunities. Doc Ock says that Maguire is 'all grown up' so they're not pretending he's still as young as he was in the films, but they also don't really say anything about what he's done since the third film. Ditto for Garfield, other than that he's got a few anger problems now. Would have been nice to allude to some adventures we didn't get to see. But Garfield saving MJ from the fall and Maguire saving Osborne from being impaled with his glider again were nice bits of closure for both of them. Also, the fact that we only got the two Spider-Men. The fun thing about Spider-Verse was that all the Spider-People were so different from each other, whereas the three Peters were so similar that, once the initial excitement of seeing them all together wore off, it got a bit tepid. Would have been cool for some more to show up, even if just during the finale before Strange cast the new spell. I thought it was weird too when Strange showed back up near the end and MJ was like 'look, he's saving them!', but wasn't Strange's issue with Peter messing with their fate and screwing up the universe they came from and not that he didn't think Peter could do it? And yeah, the whole Venom part was super frustrating. I was really hoping he was gonna stick around somehow (or at least, y'know, show up and do something). Unless they're still planning to do that with the part left behind, because it would be weird for there to be a separate MCU Venom. --- Still the number one reason for the success of the Internet. I'm a Vtuber now! https://www.twitch.tv/thedandyvtuber ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScepterOfLove 12/17/21 10:29:16 AM #14: |
Saw it last night and my brain is still processing the hype but my kneejerk reaction is it's my favorite MCU movie and in the conversation for greatest comic book movie of all time ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mega Mana 12/17/21 11:53:55 AM #15: |
JackMan posted...
I'm very happy it just stuck to the movies we've had. It didn't need to be anything more than that for this movie, especially BECAUSE Spider-Verse exists. There's another Spider-Verse on the way and I wouldn't want to take anything away from that franchise by doing something even more similar here. Let Spider-Verse be experimental and go through the comics' catalogue and ideascape for things to do; let No Way Home enjoy taking twenty years' worth of movies and letting them wrap things up and enjoy waaaay more story and moments than I'd ever anticipated going in. Edit: If the MCU does want to go forward with this, though, I'd rather see it in Doctor Strange or more What If. Edit Edit: One of the biggest problems with the Clone Wars was how it just kept adding more and more and more diluting what the original identity crisis was more about, just adding things because they could and it was cool. --- "In my headcanon, some staffer saw Trump pull out his phone and start typing so they just Terry Tate Office Linebacker'd him out of his shoes." - FFD ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Not Dave 12/17/21 12:17:14 PM #16: |
this movie is so fucking good --- ND ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ninkendo 12/17/21 1:41:46 PM #17: |
There was a lady in the front row clapping and screaming at the top of her lungs for every little reveal Wanted to throw something at her --- https://imgtc.com/i/iJnhdkc.gif https://imgtc.com/i/j45EVGx.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChaosTonyV4 12/17/21 1:50:55 PM #18: |
Everyone around me was clapping and yelling for each reveal, even my homie I went with lol. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 12/17/21 1:53:25 PM #19: |
I had a great theatre for it - I was worried because sometimes busy cinemas in Qatar can be a nightmare. People don't respect it, one time a kid played games on his phone at full volume etc. I was hoping because it was opening night everyone there was a fan and I was right. Lots of whooping and cheering but nothing that distracted from the movie, only added to the experience. I don't think I missed any dialogue for instance. --- Not to be confused with XIII_minerals. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ShatteredElysium 12/17/21 2:00:41 PM #20: |
I deliberately picked the smallest auditorium in the cinema to try avoid that. I don't mind it in small doses but some people are way over the top with it. I think the one I picked out had like 5 rows / 40 seats. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HanOfTheNekos 12/17/21 3:03:22 PM #21: |
I'll say more when I get home, but u was disappointed. I have mixed feelings. Worst of the 3 spideys --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HanOfTheNekos 12/17/21 3:58:34 PM #22: |
I'm going to spoiler this post so that people who loved it don't have to be bogged down by my critiques, but I will simply say that, the more I'm sitting on it afterward, the less fondly I feel. --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZenOfThunder 12/17/21 4:12:38 PM #23: |
shit ruled --- (|| ' ' ||) "Your First Thought" - A (sometimes) daily topic series 'bout thinkin': . /|_|\ https://bit.ly/YFTB8 [azuarc] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HanOfTheNekos 12/17/21 4:23:11 PM #24: |
Oh yeah. Matt Murdock's appearance was so incredibly hype and I loved it and it was probably my favorite moment of the movie, and I completely forgot it happened until reading this topic because the movie let me down so hard. --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Grand Kirby 12/17/21 4:30:06 PM #25: |
ninkendo posted... There was a lady in the front row clapping and screaming at the top of her lungs for every little revealThat was basically every single person in the theater I was in and it was great. This worked well as an "event" movie experience where the energy of the crowd made it a lot of fun. --- Okay, I rolled a 14. What's that mean? Hsu That you're a cheater. This is a 12-sided die. Chan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 12/17/21 5:57:12 PM #26: |
HanOfTheNekos posted... Schlock So this movie is perfect for me. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 12/17/21 10:34:20 PM #27: |
The MCU did the impossible: it made a One More Day type storyline good --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 12/17/21 10:34:54 PM #28: |
Also everyone in the theater cheered at the Andrew Garfield reveal and went crazy at the Tobey Maguire reveal --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 12/17/21 10:35:45 PM #29: |
Did they de-age Maguire? --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 12/17/21 10:42:38 PM #30: |
TheRock1525 posted... Did they de-age Maguire? Nope, he's older, although it's barely even acknowledged. --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScareChan 12/18/21 2:37:20 AM #31: |
it was very fan fic, but it was fun. I just don't get how Venom got booped in and booped out when the spell was supposed to work the way it did. But I am hype for symbiote. I appreciated how they handled May though Oh no! She's down by what's definitely a killing atta-- oh. She's walking it off before Peter is she's fine. ...Oh no she just said "With great power comes great responsib--" yup and she's down. Okay, well fuck. To expect it, then get your hopes up long enough that she's fine then drop the hammer line that you know what comes next was done well. Also Danny Rojas bartender --- *Fastbreak Intensifies* PSN TehScurr Switch friend code SW-5264-0547-1806 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 12/18/21 3:35:25 AM #32: |
They missed the perfect opportunity for Topher Grace Venom to show up only for Tom Hardy Venom to show up and bite his head off. But, like, off screen so it can stay PG-13. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZenOfThunder 12/18/21 8:08:14 AM #33: |
ScareChan posted... it was very fan fic, but it was fun. I just don't get how Venom got booped in and booped out when the spell was supposed to work the way it did. But I am hype for symbiote. they handwaved this one in the Venom 2 post-credits; Venom basically said that all symbiotes across all dimensions are connected in some way and share infinite knowledge, implying he is aware of the events of Spider-Man 3. He then very briefly shares this knowledge with Eddie --- (|| ' ' ||) "Your First Thought" - A (sometimes) daily topic series 'bout thinkin': . /|_|\ https://bit.ly/YFTB8 [azuarc] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mega Mana 12/18/21 11:04:27 AM #34: |
Leonhart4 posted... The MCU did the impossible: it made a One More Day type storyline good Yes. Right? Insane! --- "In my headcanon, some staffer saw Trump pull out his phone and start typing so they just Terry Tate Office Linebacker'd him out of his shoes." - FFD ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HanOfTheNekos 12/18/21 12:08:39 PM #35: |
Morning after gripes: --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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skullbone 12/18/21 3:55:14 PM #36: |
I was expecting some sort of closure for Tobey and Andrew, especially after Tobey's line that his relationship with MJ is complicated. The fact that we didn't see anything makes me wonder if they're considering future projects with them like an animated show or something. At the same time it wasn't really their movie so we don't NEED that kind of resolution but I would have appreciated it. --- skull ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 12/18/21 3:59:10 PM #37: |
Yeah, I don't expect them to do anything with that. I think they were just designed to be foils and complements for Holland's situation. One of the great conflicts of Spider-Man is the dichotomy of being both Peter Parker and Spider-Man. It felt like Garfield had become Spider-Man at the expense of being Peter, and vice-versa for Tobey. --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SwiftyDC 12/18/21 4:10:15 PM #38: |
Watched it again! Man, the theatre was sooo hyped on Friday night. The one small complaint that I have that hit me the 2nd time through and not the 1st, is Tobey not "spider-sensing" Goblin's stab. Doesn't matter though, this has never happened in cinema before. Connecting the past and the present in a movie. Nothing comes close to this type of cross-over in a film. It was very fan-service-y... but they did it the right way. Other minor notes, I really do appreciate Dafoe's performance as Green Goblin, so fucking good. And Garfield probably stole the show as being the "best" Spider-man in this film, IMO. --- dilateDChemist Last minute changes killed my bracket - still would've got destroyed by azuarc ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZenOfThunder 12/18/21 4:18:31 PM #39: |
imo Garfield was always the best Spider-Man despite me really not liking both of his films. Maguire was a better Peter Parker. Tom Holland is mid-tier for both but definitely stepped up in this one --- (|| ' ' ||) "Your First Thought" - A (sometimes) daily topic series 'bout thinkin': . /|_|\ https://bit.ly/YFTB8 [azuarc] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LinkMarioSamus 12/18/21 4:43:12 PM #40: |
Won't watch this movie until it comes on TV but good to see appreciation for Willem Dafoe. --- Why do people act like the left is the party of social justice crusaders? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZenOfThunder 12/18/21 4:45:46 PM #41: |
best part of the post-credits: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/9/5/AAHLcRAACtob.jpg --- (|| ' ' ||) "Your First Thought" - A (sometimes) daily topic series 'bout thinkin': . /|_|\ https://bit.ly/YFTB8 [azuarc] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mega Mana 12/18/21 5:48:34 PM #42: |
ZenOfThunder posted... best part of the post-credits: He wants to take you for a ride --- "In my headcanon, some staffer saw Trump pull out his phone and start typing so they just Terry Tate Office Linebacker'd him out of his shoes." - FFD ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrGreenonion 12/18/21 10:03:14 PM #44: |
XIII_rocks posted... Jamie Foxx being suddenly "cool Jamie Foxx character" as opposed to the nerd he used to be felt a bit jarringHe was changed by the MCU's different energy. Remember, all the electricity in the world is generated by arc reactors now, and when Electro absorbed it, it literally made him like Tony Stark (the goatee specifically, the overall coolness and style in general). I thought that was an amazing subtle touch, frankly. --- Jessie she/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrGreenonion 12/18/21 10:04:37 PM #45: |
ZenOfThunder posted... best part of the post-credits:I literally yelled out "SHUMA-GORATH!" in the theater --- Jessie she/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScepterOfLove 12/18/21 10:29:34 PM #46: |
Andrew Garfield has always been the best actor to play Spider-Man and this movie cemented that even further for me. His catch and reaction to seeing Zendaya was okay. He finally got closure to a 7-year old cliffhanger I never expected to see mentioned again. What a genuinely amazing cinematic moment ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 12/19/21 1:06:43 AM #48: |
I couldnt believe Venom went back, what a pointless scenario. --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WazzupGenius00 12/19/21 1:13:58 AM #49: |
SwiftyDC posted... Doesn't matter though, this has never happened in cinema before. Connecting the past and the present in a movie. Nothing comes close to this type of cross-over in a film. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godzilla:_Final_Wars --- http://i.imgur.com/k0v0z3q.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 12/19/21 2:44:26 AM #50: |
Anagram posted... I couldnt believe Venom went back, what a pointless scenario. Hmm... --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB ... Copied to Clipboard!
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