Poll of the Day > The reddit sub antiwork gives me weird vibes

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I am not some sort of coroorate bootlicker but a lot of posts i see there give me yikes or cringe vibes. There is a discussion to be had about higher wages and worker rights but i feel like some people on that sub just want to be lazy yet get all the benefits as if they were a hard working, useful member of the team.

This thread is filled with cringe.

https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/r1we0a/thinking_of_those_of_you_working_in_the_usa_today/

Peasants may have had more "vacation time" but didnt live long lives or have many rights...but they had more days off!!!!

There's a fine line between being rightfully opposed to so much of American work culture (especially at the corporate level) and seeing that opposition as validating laziness (pretending for a moment that the concept of laziness exists in the colloquial sense and that avolition can't usually be explained by an undiagnosed/untreated mental health issue). It's not surprising that a subreddit dedicated to the former would end up attracting a lot of the latter, given how Reddit has a tendency to radicalize its communities thanks to its echo chamber design.

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Antiwork is terrible. I hate my job but that sub is filled with people that are hated by their bosses because they're garbage workers and then decided it's not their fault.

I once saw them defending a guy who took a 90 minute nap at work

Imagine how many hours of work hunters and gatherers put in. 40 hours a week is easy.

That's 128 hours a week to do what you want. Manage your time better.

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This sub seems to filled with the type of people who bounce between minimum wage jobs alot, or neckbeard incels looking for a flimsy excuse to not get a job.

r/antiwork has a good idea but the wrong message. There are people in that subreddit that actually are anti work and quite literally want to get rid of having to work. Until we can fully automate pretty much all aspects of life that will not happen, and by then we will have reached some sort of singularity where we are all sucked into a VR universe.

The good part of that subreddit is when employers are outed by employees who are truly being mistreated. But that's not very common. A lot of the posts are unfortunately bums who just dislike their job and want to have a reason to complain. Or obviously fake posts.

its a fake sub for upvote farming

i am 100% in favor of workers rights and people getting paid more but that sub is full of fake ass stories

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they also raid other subs / posts. like there was an invention to improve work efficiency, or maybe some person found a smarter, better way to do something. then antiworkers raided and spammed that post, something about exploiting workers or some shit. their argument is basically like "look at this fucker who fucking loves to work. fucking dirty capitalist. making it easier for workers to do their job. how evil."
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Oh, so they're like Libertarians, would you say?

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I'm fairly certain that it's mostly fake texts about stuff they wish they told their boss.

shadowsword87 posted...

I'm fairly certain that it's mostly fake texts about stuff they wish they told their boss.

Some of them have begun to call out those alleged texts as well, calling them antiwork porn at one point.

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Entity13 posted...

Some of them have begun to call out those alleged texts as well, calling them antiwork porn at one point.

Oh that's good.

DirtBasedSoap posted...

its a fake sub for upvote farming

reddit in a walnut shell

Regardless of the sub though I don't like the assertion that people are "lazy" for not wanting to work. Like 99.99% of people only work because they have to, let's be real. It's an artificial human construct, it's not natural to want to work - though yeah, a lot of things that aren't "natural" that we do are good. But you can't tell me that even if you "enjoy" work you wouldn't rather be doing something else with your life most of the time.

I get it also that we need some way of establishing order, and we aren't close to fully automating, but it's fucked up that with how technology is advancing people have a harder time affording things and the wealth disparity gets bigger. When people get fed up with that they crave the kind of shit that antiwork provides, and people on reddit are dumb and don't have a good eye for when something is fake

CoorsLight posted...

Regardless of the sub though I don't like the assertion that people are "lazy" for not wanting to work. Like 99.99% of people only work because they have to, let's be real. It's an artificial human construct, it's not natural to want to work - though yeah, a lot of things that aren't "natural" that we do are good. But you can't tell me that even if you "enjoy" work you wouldn't rather be doing something else with your life most of the time.

I feel like it's important to have humans do things, otherwise they just have a bad time. Sitting around all day every day leads to... emotionally unhealthy people. Doing something menial and getting praise out of it is kind of a good setup for people.

shadowsword87 posted...

I feel like it's important to have humans do things, otherwise they just have a bad time.

People would do more stuff if they weren't working/worried about having enough money/both. Working drains you and doesn't give you enough unbroken time to get into stuff. Not working doesn't give you enough money to do anything cool.

shadowsword87 posted...

Sitting around all day every day leads to... emotionally unhealthy people.

Well I don't disagree with this, speaking from the experience of jobs where you sit around all day lmao

shadowsword87 posted...

Doing something menial and getting praise out of it is kind of a good setup for people.

I hate doing menial tasks. You think people actually enjoy that? The word itself basically has a negative connotation

CoorsLight posted...

I hate doing menial tasks. You think people actually enjoy that? The word itself basically has a negative connotation

My SO needs something fairly simple to do with an exercise component along with an individual focus so she can excel at her job and feel good about it.
I know this because she talks about how much she liked one factory job vs another.

CoorsLight posted...

People would do more stuff if they weren't working/worried about having enough money/both. Working drains you and doesn't give you enough unbroken time to get into stuff. Not working doesn't give you enough money to do anything cool.

It's the 'ol energy/money/time thing. As a young'n you have energy+time, but no money. As a middle'n you have money+energy but no time. As an old'n you have money+time but no energy.

adjl posted...

(pretending for a moment that the concept of laziness exists in the colloquial sense and that avolition can't usually be explained by an undiagnosed/untreated mental health issue)

That unfounded assessment seems wildly offensive to people who legitimately have mental health issues, and for multiple reasons at that.

SunWuKung420 posted...

Imagine how many hours of work hunters and gatherers put in. 40 hours a week is easy.

First, far, far less than you're probably assuming -- probably not even 20 hours a week. Second, although they didn't work much, their quality of life was also low -- although not as low as early farmers who also worked, much, much harder.

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I think the main issue is that corporations and big companies push this idea that we all have to work in order to be successful and make money. That's a bunch of bullshit. Workplace efficiency is absolute shit and people with desk jobs are often times not doing work because there isn't much to do. And for food industry and retail workers they put up with way too much nonsense from customers for what they get paid for.

I'm not someone who thinks work should be abolished but working standards and conditions are extremely outdated in 2021 and needs a serious overhaul.

Medieval Peasants also worked ridiculous hours for their lord and were force indoctrinated into religion. I also generally do not like the crappy attitude "Europeans are better than Americans", stuff. I am pretty sure Europe doesn't even have a tech sector. It's just gross generalization that every American is a UPS / Amazon worker or something.

And yes, people are lazy, especially unskilled ones. People who learn a skill or a trade (you can be a high school drop out and learn a trade) and actually use that trade are being rewarded? Who the fuck knew.

adjl posted...

There's a fine line between being rightfully opposed to so much of American work culture (especially at the corporate level) and seeing that opposition as validating laziness (pretending for a moment that the concept of laziness exists in the colloquial sense and that avolition can't usually be explained by an undiagnosed/untreated mental health issue). It's not surprising that a subreddit dedicated to the former would end up attracting a lot of the latter, given how Reddit has a tendency to radicalize its communities thanks to its echo chamber design.

Exactly.

Lynyrd_Skynyrd posted...

Antiwork is terrible. I hate my job but that sub is filled with people that are hated by their bosses because they're garbage workers and then decided it's not their fault.

Protip: Most workers are garbage, even in high skill environments. People who work just to make a paycheck and have no desire to work their ass off for it? Not enthusiastic? Not at all surprised.

DirtBasedSoap posted...

its a fake sub for upvote farming

It's also people trying to seek moral fulfillment. Same thing with anyone who says "seek therapy".

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shadowsword87 posted...

I feel like it's important to have humans do things, otherwise they just have a bad time. Sitting around all day every day leads to... emotionally unhealthy people. Doing something menial and getting praise out of it is kind of a good setup for people.

Ex. The people on this board without jobs who just sit around all day are usually extremely poorly emotionally adjusted. Nothing wrong with having something to do when you get up in the morning.

Lynyrd_Skynyrd posted...

The people on this board without jobs who just sit around all day are usually extremely poorly emotionally adjusted.

That's too many adverbs.

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Man Judg still has like zero nuanced understanding of left-wing thought, classic "at least Joe Biden doesn't say mean stuff!" guy

Sarcasthma posted...

That's too many adverbs.

You're too many adverbs

CoorsLight posted...

Man Judg still has like zero nuanced understanding of left-wing thought, classic "at least Joe Biden doesn't say mean stuff!" guy

Eh? I love Joe Biden but hate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party outside of Ed Markey.

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What I don't get about it is, do they not want people fixing their plumbing when their pipes burst? What about when your power goes out? Fuck the guys that fix it?

Work needs to be done, if you don't like your job find one you like or fix your mindset so you aren't a whiny loser

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Judgmenl posted...

Eh? I love Joe Biden but hate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party outside of Ed Markey.

Case in point lmao

Judgmenl posted...

Eh? I love Joe Biden but hate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party outside of Ed Markey.

you love Joe Biden and hate progressives? lmfao fuck off

youve made working your entire identity because youve put in zero effort into other aspects of your life

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sodium-chloride posted...

I think the main issue is that corporations and big companies push this idea that we all have to work in order to be successful and make money.

...well, working tends to be the best legal way of making money, although I'm sure you're about to extol the "virtue" of collecting a government check.

Otherwise corporations and companies don't push anything of the sort.

sodium-chloride posted...

Workplace efficiency is absolute shit and people with desk jobs are often times not doing work because there isn't much to do.

There's literally always something to do. People just choose not to do it.

sodium-chloride posted...

And for food industry and retail workers they put up with way too much nonsense from customers for what they get paid for.

Debatable -- especially since it's often their fuck-ups than get the negativity -- and there is downtime in both industries.

sodium-chloride posted...

I'm not someone who thinks work should be abolished but working standards and conditions are extremely outdated in 2021 and needs a serious overhaul.

lolwut?

Muscles posted...

What I don't get about it is, do they not want people fixing their plumbing when their pipes burst? What about when your power goes out? Fuck the guys that fix it?

Work needs to be done, if you don't like your job find one you like or fix your mindset so you aren't a whiny loser

Maybe they don't want pipes or electricity. Maybe they want to live out in nature and roam the land collecting berries.

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reddit is a website for very stupid people. i would definitely cover for somebody who took a 90 minute nap at work though, that sounds awesome. idk why some people agree that work is exploitative but then think its 'cringe' to exploit it back. if i could find a way to do no work and make my boss hate me but still get paid i would absolutely do it with no guilt whatsoever

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Zeus posted...

That unfounded assessment seems wildly offensive to people who legitimately have mental health issues, and for multiple reasons at that.

Do you not understand the difference between "laziness is often the product of a mental illness" and "mentally ill people are lazy"?

SunWuKung420 posted...

Imagine how many hours of work hunters and gatherers put in. 40 hours a week is easy.

Because prehistoric homonids are a reasonable metric for quality of life.

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Lol, pathetic losers who believe they're entitled to be paid a living wage to stay at home and do nothing.

Where could you find such sort of entitled trash other than Reddit?

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Oh yeah.

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If reddit is a website for very stupid people, then how come I don't use it? Checkmate

CoorsLight posted...

If reddit is a website for very stupid people, then how come I don't use it? Checkmate

You're not a very stupid person. Have you seen reddit?

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Zeus posted...

There's literally always something to do. People just choose not to do it.

lol wut?

Zeus posted...

Debatable -- especially since it's often their f***-ups than get the negativity -- and there is downtime in both industries.

Let me guess, you believe in the phrase "the customer is always right"?

That sub got sorta big sorta quickly, and it very quickly went to their heads. Some of them seriously think they're a national union that can organize effective demonstrations. They actually called for McDonalds boycotts (worker and customer) until they offered $25/hr starting pay; two weeks later that's going about as well as you can imagine.

They need to stick to exposing bad work culture and empowering the individual, not trying to be an organization or movement.

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CoorsLight posted...

If reddit is a website for very stupid people, then how come I don't use it? Checkmate

https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/qup6hf/sun_used_to_have_sunglasses/

youre not stupid enough to use reddit unless you think this person came from an alternate reality where the sun had enormous sunspots that looked like sunglasses

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Entity13 posted...

Oh, so they're like Libertarians, would you say?

Why did the libertarian chicken cross the road?

ITS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS! AM I BEING DETAINED OR AM I FREE TO GO?!?!

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adjl posted...

Do you not understand the difference between "laziness is often the product of a mental illness" and "mentally ill people are lazy"?

Are you seriously handwaving this by saying, "Well, at least I didn't say this other offensive thing which I think is more offensive than this offensive thing I said, so I'm going to play the tone-deaf semantics card and double-down on my original offensive statement"?

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