Poll of the Day > Rust lawsuit blames Alec Baldwin

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/17/movies/rust-lawsuit-mamie-mitchell.html
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The set armourer is doubly at fault - once for negligence and again for union strike dodging... especially when said union strike is for film and crew safety rights

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Lokarin posted...

The set armourer is doubly at fault - once for negligence and again for union strike dodging... especially when said union strike is for film and crew safety rights

It wasn't her fault. The assistant walked to the table without asking any questions about the guns and also picked up a random one without checking.
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Revelation34 posted...

It wasn't her fault. The assistant walked to the table without asking any questions about the guns and also picked up a random one without checking.

Except that is exactly the kind of stuff they are supposed to prevent. There shouldn't have been a loaded weapon sitting around in a place where someone could just pick it up. I mean, in most cases there shouldn't have been a loaded weapon on set to begin with, but if there was a need for one it was her job to make sure it was safely controlled.

This seems 100% like the armourer's fault. She claimed she "didn't know" how a live round was put in the gun. It's literally her job to prevent that, and she didn't. She's fucked unless she can prove someone else stepped over their job duties behind her back.

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rjsilverthorn posted...

Except that is exactly the kind of stuff they are supposed to prevent. There shouldn't have been a loaded weapon sitting around in a place where someone could just pick it up. I mean, in most cases there shouldn't have been a loaded weapon on set to begin with, but if there was a need for one it was her job to make sure it was safely controlled.

Got it. "People should never ask questions when picking up guns to use on a set".
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Revelation34 posted...

Got it. "People should never ask questions when picking up guns to use on a set".

"Nobody will be able to refute my brilliant strawman rebuttal"

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I was unaware of a second interloping assistant... if they weren't permitted to handle firearms that would be a huge red flag

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I dont understand enough about the situation but I know that you shouldnt point guns at anyone unless youre defending your life against them

Personally I dont like being around guns at all. I went shooting once in the desert with some family and friends, just shooting at targets we set up. That was pretty fun, but in just public places it make me uncomfortable if someone around me has a gun. Its like they are asking you to trust them, and you dont have the option to say no.

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https://youtu.be/wXmAeMQCvZQ

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when I see "rust" it makes me think of that stupid pc survival game
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faramir77 posted...

This seems 100% like the armourer's fault. She claimed she "didn't know" how a live round was put in the gun. It's literally her job to prevent that, and she didn't. She's fucked unless she can prove someone else stepped over their job duties behind her back.

Yeah this

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I mean, lets put it another way

You're working at a Mcdonalds and there's 3 guns on the counter... one of them happens to have bullets in it

>.>

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Basic range discipline should be taught to anyone handling a firearm before they handle one. I'm curious if Baldwin received any such instruction. If he did, he is definitely at least partially responsible. If he didn't, I'd say he has a case for laying the blame on the production.

He could still catch a lesser charge and/or be sued civilly but I'd say his defense should lean heavily on a lack of proper training (if that does end up being the case)

Of course I'm no lawyer so take that with a grain of wood

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Ah yeah. I haven't been following the case that closely so I don't know what's what, just offering my two haypennies

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I know its really easy to not point a gun at anyone and pull the trigger because all you have to do is just not do it.

I also find it quite easy to understand that you never point your gun at anything you dont intend to shoot.

Your scope is not a substitute for binoculars.

If you walk away from a firearm for any period of time, any at all, you recheck it to make sure no one has loaded it. You dont go off of someone elses word, because at the end of the day, youre responsible for what happens. The fact that he isnt already behind bars is pretty telling of the disparity between the Hollywood elites and regulars. For the latter, this would be at minimum a case of manslaughter.

These are all pretty basic rules that someone like Baldwin should understand.

Just putting this out there I read that that director was working on a film about Hollywood pedos.

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As to pointing the gun at someone - if he was filming a scene where he pointed the gun at the camera, or he was filming a scene where he dropped the gun, or flung his arm for some reason (getting "shot" for example). It said in some article he was practicing drawing the gun from a holster. Point being, there could be multiple reasons as to why he pointed the gun at someone on set. Remains an avoidable accident but it's not beyond reason that the gun would be pointed at someone during production.

As for the pedo movie angle that sounds like qanon stupidity. Like, even if the director was working on that type of movie, that there would be an assassination attempt using a hapless Alec Baldwin as an unknowing assassin is pure tinfoil hat smoothbrained absurdity

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PeterPumpknhead posted...

I dont understand enough about the situation but I know that you shouldnt point guns at anyone unless youre defending your life against them

My understanding (though I don't know how reliable this is) is that he did actually aim away from people, but his aim was so bad that he failed to miss. Arguably, he has a responsibility to train well enough with guns to be able to handle them better than that, but I don't think it was actually a matter of being ignorant of the "never point a gun at anyone you don't want to shoot" thing.

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zebatov posted...

Just putting this out there I read that that director was working on a film about Hollywood pedos.

Oh great. More tinfoil hat bullshit.
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Far-Queue posted...

Like, even if the director was working on that type of movie, that there would be an assassination attempt using a hapless Alec Baldwin as an unknowing assassin is pure tinfoil hat smoothbrained absurdity

It's also the plot of a great S3 TNG episode, "The Mind's Eye".
With Geordi playing the part of Alec Baldwin.

Now in GLORIOUS 144p!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp-rZTG1XB8


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Can people stop fucking citing gated content? You might as well not post a source at all if most people can't access it.

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Zeus posted...

Can people stop fucking citing gated content? You might as well not post a source at all if most people can't access it.

That's why the x button appears when loading a page.
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he is partly to blame, as you should always handle a gun as if it's loaded, and always check the gun yourself to see if it's loaded
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Imagine excusing lack of safety with firearms. Its been known since this came out that someone told him the gun was cold and he just went with that. This is 100% his own fault, and nobody elses.

And Im loving my clear ability to control other peoples emotions to react negatively. Bow to my superpowers.

Guess we cant talk about things people may or may not be doing if someone else feels it may be linked to a conspiracy.

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I was reading up on this a lot when it first happened. I always thought a prop gun meant it was fake but no I guess they like to use real ones whenever possible- not only because they look real (durr) but because it's supposed to provide a realistic kick when fired for the actor.

I wonder if after this they'll just always have to use fake guns for everything?

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Far-Queue posted...

Basic range discipline should be taught to anyone handling a firearm before they handle one. I'm curious if Baldwin received any such instruction. If he did, he is definitely at least partially responsible. If he didn't, I'd say he has a case for laying the blame on the production.

He could still catch a lesser charge and/or be sued civilly but I'd say his defense should lean heavily on a lack of proper training (if that does end up being the case)

Of course I'm no lawyer so take that with a grain of wood

Thats how I kinda see it too. I was introduced to firearms as a kid and then had weapons safety drilled into me in the army and watched it basically beaten into others at the range, so I hold myself to a higher standard.

Ive never been skydiving or scuba diving before, so Id need my hand held and thats why there are paid trained/certified professionals that are there to prevent accidents.

They had a paid professional on set to monitor those firearms. Someone with years of training. She was paid to make sure that nothing like that happened. In theory you should be able to walk up to those weapons and start pulling the trigger while pointed at the wall and be just fine. Which is why I think its her fault far more than Baldwins.

And not to sound to dramatic or conspiracy level like some other posters here, but they had staff on strike for safety issues. Whos to say someone didnt walk in there and load that pistol when no one was looking thinking thisll fire off into the wall, and theyll understand why we have safety concerns and instead Baldwin ends up killing someone.