Board 8 > Final Fantasy Record Keeper Topic 54: Dual Awakenings-Awakening Harder

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mccheyne
12/08/21 9:35:39 PM
#302:


Oooh that's actually good to know, thanks!

Nice!! Well done!

Still kinda scared to go after DBs lol, not to mention DKs. Would likely start at FF7, mainly thanks to Cloud, though I've developed a few other powerful realms too. Issue is no element synergy and don't have enough rat tails to fully level HCs.

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LordoftheMorons
12/08/21 9:40:50 PM
#303:


Yeah this is only my fourth DB (after XIV, T-0, and IV) and the first of the "hard" ones I've done. I think I've been putting them off too long, though; afaik 3 BDL is the benchmark (and I know you can kill them with less) which I think I have for almost all realms (though I'd need to lens at least a USB for most of the healers).

I think for DBs you can get away with a level 80 HC? I did level X's to 99 but that's mostly because I know that Sin was supposed to suck.

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Kaxon
12/08/21 10:03:53 PM
#304:


I beat Dragonking III!!! I'm not sure how much was due to wait mode and how much was due to the improved Bonds of Historia. But it did seem like wait mode made things easier even though it limited my options (like at one point I had to have Aria defend when I normally would have just waited a few ticks to use her USB after his next action). So it's definitely not pure upside but it might still be a net positive for me. Anyway now I can unlock OK's bonus tiles which was the main point of doing it. And I might try some of the other DKs I really struggled with before.

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Kaxon
12/08/21 10:12:17 PM
#305:


Oh and I'm not 100% sure, but I think the sap on Dragonking Sphere Ray is unblockable.

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LordoftheMorons
12/08/21 10:25:37 PM
#306:


Congrats!

Bummer though about the sap if true

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
12/08/21 10:44:14 PM
#307:


Most Dreambreakers have been powercrept by now. They came out when syncs were pretty uncommon and before dyads, and if you want to start with them I'd recommend FF4, Zeromus is just bulk and nothing else. Offense wise he's even tamer than 4* magicite (relatively)

The Lightning labyrinth opens next week, and now that hero artifact drop rates have been increased, and you get a guaranteed one from the final boss it's a good time to catch up on any water relics you want good passives on.

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
12/09/21 12:21:55 AM
#308:


I did a last minute dream select on Awakening for Bartz' earth awakening yesterday since it has the Minwu/Master 50% chance of dualcasting to try and beat Snow Giant and I still can't kill him before I get timed out on the last phase! AUGH! I fucking hate this short turn limit bullshit! It's really killing my interest in this game if this is what the game's superbosses are going to continue to be like.

These short turn limits aren't legit hard, it's just a flat out DPS check and it's becoming more like you need to have the latest fancy syncs or dyads or whatever to do enough damage in a very, VERY short time span after the 5 second wall wastes your cap break time. Only having 3 turns is stupid, and if you're awakening/sync runs out because of the wall or chain runs out well tough shit! Gotta do the long annoying fight all over again! Oh also he interrupts if you don't have enFire right after he diffuses you and then confuses slot 2-4 cutting you're already short time even lower! Physical really has it bad because they need crit boosts in order to do enough damage, and if you forget to refresh, or don't have enough meter, well you gotta start all over again!

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LordoftheMorons
12/09/21 4:14:28 AM
#309:


All Omegas down

Ice weak was kinda obnoxious with the +6 ice defense. Also just barely made D550 holy in one chain because I had Rem in the death slot... whoops

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LordoftheMorons
12/09/21 9:13:34 AM
#310:


Took down the I DB as well!



Just barely got the sub-30 (would have had more room to spare if I hadnt forgotten to activate Garlands dyad... I went to use the finisher and the initial activation went off instead ><)

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mccheyne
12/09/21 10:34:30 AM
#311:


Tried Physical Lightning Odin, got warped out at 39.2% left. Dorgann's imperil doesn't get going until far too late, and with Silvery Pillar being magical, it failed to break rage a couple times (plus not being able to tell Odin's earth imperil state, because it imperils everything lol). Though, I think I may have found the issue. My magicite setup is as follows:

Odin (BW/SW)
Titan (HP/empower)
Ramuh (HP/healing)
Madeen (atk/atk)
Madeen (HP/healing)

That second Madeen should be double deadly strikes 10, so I'll swap that in.

Uhhhh so I went back to look at my magicites. My first Madeen...........was double magic instead of attack. Wow I'm dumb.

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mccheyne
12/09/21 1:50:21 PM
#312:


GOT HIM!!

Physical Lightning Odin defeated in 52.71!

What a damn slog at the end. All Syncs/AASBs had worn off (though Gladio's AASB was still going, since he started late), had just put down a third chain, and had about 6% hp to chew through. Just got it done after argent primal essence triggered 4/5 last stands.

Leaving Noctis in seemed to be the right call, as he could still juuuust break cap, even through aegis. Dorgann's damage was okay, thankfully he got a couple procs of his imperil LMR, but imperil in general was likely my biggest issue.

So I have my physical Odin now, and already leveled him up to 99, so that's sweet! Both lightning Odins are down, unsure which one to start next.

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Kaxon
12/09/21 2:30:37 PM
#313:


Congrats! If you're not sure you can just go around the wheel and try water next.

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Ultimaphazon
12/09/21 3:51:17 PM
#314:


If your Lightning teams are strong enough, why not. But it's absolutely not necessary to go in order against WOdin.

You have an additional empower Lightning for that fight compared to other elements, but that's not nearly as important as it was on previous magicites.
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LordoftheMorons
12/09/21 5:21:41 PM
#315:


Nice job!

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
12/09/21 7:38:42 PM
#316:


UUUGGGGGH I'm so pissed right now!



If only I got 1 more dualcast from Master or Bartz I would have finally won...

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LordoftheMorons
12/09/21 7:39:44 PM
#317:


Jeeze :\

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
12/09/21 8:10:50 PM
#318:


Yeah it sucks so bad, I want to get this dumb monkey over with so I can reset Master's magia to lighting by Thursday... If only he didn't confuse slot 2-4 I could have gotten off Orran's USB and used the instant cast.

At least I started off luck of the realms with something to cheer me up, Wedge sync!

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LordoftheMorons
12/09/21 8:18:45 PM
#319:


Nice draw!

Core: 1/3: Tama BSB (dupe)

boo

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LordoftheMorons
12/09/21 10:03:17 PM
#320:


Both I Gilgameshes down which brings me up to 4 and 3... not sure how many of these I can get through but probably at least a few more (definitely X, probably core and 550 XIII).

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LordoftheMorons
12/10/21 1:26:06 AM
#321:


Tried out the new wait mode (on speed 2) with the X Gilgameshes. It didn't seem like there was much of a time penalty; I got the 500 one down in like 21.5s and the 550 one sub 30 (forget the exact time; probably like 27 or 28s despite some dumb chain timing on my part). Does seem like wait mode is at least somewhat viable with the new speed options.

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mccheyne
12/10/21 10:20:33 AM
#322:


Lasswell AASB to start luck of the realms. Not bad!

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
12/10/21 4:44:11 PM
#323:


Ugh I can't seem to recreate that luck that got 0.2% close to killing Snow Giant, I keep trying and trying and get in the under 10% range and I get that shitty ass maze gate BS!

God this such an awful feeling, so close yet so far. I feel like if I had one more relic that would inch that last 10%, Bartz Fire sync/dyad, Master sync, Balther sync, LBO or dyad, or hell even just Sarah's 3 turn quickcast USB or Bartz's fire glint+, but all that shit is gacha locked!!!

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LordoftheMorons
12/10/21 6:23:52 PM
#324:


Another 6* from the daily!

Kain gen 1 lightning chain. Welp, 10 more ATK should I ever use him at least!

SSJSephirothGokuX123 posted...
Ugh I can't seem to recreate that luck that got 0.2% close to killing Snow Giant, I keep trying and trying and get in the under 10% range and I get that shitty ass maze gate BS!

God this such an awful feeling, so close yet so far. I feel like if I had one more relic that would inch that last 10%, Bartz Fire sync/dyad, Master sync, Balther sync, LBO or dyad, or hell even just Sarah's 3 turn quickcast USB or Bartz's fire glint+, but all that shit is gacha locked!!!
I have the Sarah USB... I'd give i to you if I could!

Definitely frustrating not to be able to replicate an almost-winning run. My first (I think?) phys Diabolos run got him to 4% and then until I eventually beat him all of my subsequent tries kept ending at like 15-20%...

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
12/10/21 7:51:10 PM
#325:


I'd take it in a heartbeat if I could, Sarah has actually been one of my most used healers in the nexus era because of her brave USB with last stand and sync/awakening, but that lack of party quickcast USB is really stinging in phase 4.

Sometimes I'm even tempted to max hone her awakening but I'm saving my tickets for FF1 when the banners refresh in hopes of getting Master's sync. Even after Kraken there's still Blue Dragon and FF8 Shiva he can help with, and whenever the FF1 Nexus comes out.

But man I never thought I'd say this but I wish we could go back to Diabolos last phase over the maze gate/dead end BS of Nexus bosses, at least you could still act against Diabolos with last stand.

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LordoftheMorons
12/10/21 8:06:23 PM
#326:


Probably shouldn't have drawn on T-0 since I've sub-30'd the DB and DK, but the realm's really powerful and I can't resist 5 myth pulls...

1/3: Ace realm CSB

That's not gonna help my elemental teams!

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
12/10/21 8:27:39 PM
#327:


There will probably be a Type-0 Labyrinth in the future at least.

Type-0 is a skip for me as well. Don't really see anything I want, besides maybe Jack's dualcast LMR but the pool is too big.

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mccheyne
12/10/21 10:23:05 PM
#328:


Trey LMR, Nine USB dupe

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Kaxon
12/11/21 1:13:43 AM
#329:


I'm skipping all of the ROP except maybe 2 and 1. Mythril's just too tight now with DASBs coming up plus the reward for doing 10 pulls on fest. There are some pretty tempting banners coming up but especially the Rydia banner and the Dark Labyrinth banner.

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
12/11/21 1:33:39 AM
#330:


I'll be pulling on FF12 at a shot for Baltheir stuff to help with Snow Giant, FF11 for Zeid sync or Ayame cap breaks, 9 since I still haven't beaten that Bahamut, 5 in hopes of Bartz fire/water stuff and 1 for Master Sync/Sarah USB. Maybe 7 for the upcoming labyrinth?

Besides you can always wait until after fest, lotr lasts a while after the banners.

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Ultimaphazon
12/11/21 1:50:21 AM
#331:


I can never resist RoP. I have pulled way too many useful relics in past fests to stop with that now.

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Kaxon
12/11/21 4:07:53 PM
#332:


Wait mode comes through again! XII Dragonking down on the first try, after trying a bunch of times with the same team a couple weeks ago.

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LordoftheMorons
12/11/21 8:43:19 PM
#333:


I only have 1.5 BDL for Tactics, so hoping for something good here

1/3: Mustadio USB

Welp, that appears to be Mustadio's most current relic so that's kinda useless!

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Kaxon
12/12/21 12:06:21 PM
#334:


Mustadio deserves new relics! Tactics is way overdue for an event in JP... there are zero new Tactics relics in the next six months, not even on a fest banner.

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
12/12/21 1:35:05 PM
#335:


According to one of those NicoNico videos I think they said because of that mobile Final Fantasy Tactics game they have to go through approval with that team now to put new stuff for the characters, same thing with the MMOs which is why their events are so rare. Before that mobile game came out FFT was dormant and they could release a new event whenever they wanted, nowadays we only got Tactics stuff to go with the Dreambreaker and Dragonking.

And yeah it sucks to be Mustadio, I think he and Naja are like the only non core/beyond characters to lack awakening and higher tech? Naja even debuted after Awakenings were introduced.

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Ultimaphazon
12/12/21 1:45:15 PM
#336:


Speaking of Tactics, I'd like Marche to get a HA and something better than his Awakening. I used to like him for his speed tricks, but Healing Smite really doesn't cut it anymore.
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SSJSephirothGokuX123
12/12/21 1:56:04 PM
#337:


Maybe when the Tactics labyrinth comes out Marche will get new relics and a HA, seems like the only time we get new FFT stuff is with powercreep bosses.

Plus it would be nice if Marach got an imperil HA since Desch's second HA is 6 hits and we're desperate for an imperiling lightning mage.

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Ultimaphazon
12/12/21 2:21:27 PM
#338:


Desch really should have gotten a 5-hit Imperil HA. He would have been the perfect candidate as a chain holder.

He even has Machinst access, so it would have fit thematically, and he already had some imperil SBs.
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Kaxon
12/12/21 2:41:26 PM
#339:


I guess if they're that limited on tactics events I'd rather have them focus on the main characters who need upgrades - Ramza and Delita most importantly, then some combination of Agrias/Orlandu/Marche. Ramza has been bad for a long time which is pretty disappointing. He either needs to go back to being a top tier support or be an actual good DPS. Delita is great but he only has two cap breaks so he should get a dual awakening and dyad.

Does anyone know what the cutoff is on ROP?

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Kaxon
12/12/21 8:07:54 PM
#340:


I took down XIV and I dragonkings today. Wait mode seems to be helping so much, although I did also change my strategy a bit and save more SB for phase 2. I did have to lens Warrior of Light's awakening so now I can't grab Prompto's chain until next Sunday, but that's okay. I can wait on doing physical Kraken for 3 extra days.

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LordoftheMorons
12/12/21 8:50:09 PM
#341:


Nice job!

XV is another one of my weakest realms; I only have two BDL there.

2/3: Ardyn USB, Prompto LMR2 (IC1)

That doesn't really help me either

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Kaxon
12/12/21 11:10:14 PM
#342:


II down as well. Now I have only the difficult ones left: V, XI, and XIII. I'm going to wait for better relics before trying those again.

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Kaxon
12/13/21 1:20:51 AM
#343:


I lied, was able to beat V as well. I just can't believe how much easier these are now with wait mode. I mean, I had a pretty strong team, but before that didn't matter. In addition to wait mode I also added Mog, who does seem better on mixed team, so maybe I shouldn't be surprised I was able to take down II and V with mixed teams.

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LordoftheMorons
12/13/21 1:24:42 AM
#344:


You're really blazing through those

I took down some more Gilgameshes: both Core and IV and 550 XIII which puts me up to 7 and 7. I should be able to clear some more but probably need to buy some healer USBs to do so (which I'll need anyway for the DBs whenever I get around to those I guess...)

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LordoftheMorons
12/13/21 8:04:13 PM
#345:


Probably should have skipped XIV but pulled anyway

1/3: Estinien USB2 (dupe)

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mccheyne
12/13/21 11:42:53 PM
#346:


Skipped 15 because I'm fairly set for that realm. Pulled on XIV though.

1/3 Yda LMR2 dupe

lol me

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Ultimaphazon
12/14/21 3:08:09 AM
#347:


Not having a good RoP this fest:

T: Delita LMR
XV: Gladio G+ dupe
XIV: Alphinaud USB3

In other news, I got the last 2 Dreambreakers sub-30'd (III and Core), so that difficulty is officially finished.

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LordoftheMorons
12/14/21 3:34:20 AM
#348:


Congrats!

One question about III DB: is Aria's USB1's fire shield needed? Or can you get away with just her USB2?

I have 4 BDL for III so I'm thinking of lensing one/both but it's not clear to me which is needed (besides that her USB2 looks better if you don't specifically need the shield)

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Ultimaphazon
12/14/21 4:19:11 AM
#349:


I only had her USB1, and I didn't bother lensing her USB2. The boss uses some fire abilities, so the Fire Stoneskin is definitely useful.

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LordoftheMorons
12/14/21 9:05:45 AM
#350:


Hmm sounds like her USB1 might be more useful for the DB then

A few more Gilgameshes down: VIII, V, and VI. 550 V and VI both ended up going beyond 30 seconds (not sure why for V; bad chain timing maybe? For VI I accidentally turned wait mode off and both lost a few seconds of chain/BDL + got Elarra killed and then had to finish him off with Terras double AOSBs.)

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mccheyne
12/14/21 10:13:27 AM
#351:


Guess I should really take down some Gregs, as apparently I only have killed 5 D500s and none of the D550s lol.

Took out XI easily enough, though for the D550 version, I'm definitely putting DMT on Aphmau so he can get his AASB going whenever I need it. He's not the greatest healer lol. Lillisette's AASB is solid support though.

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