Current Events > Professor suspended for not giving black students an easier test.

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joe40001 posted...

I think it's an issue of the education system being skewed against the poor, of which minorities are a sadly large amount.

There are more white people in poverty/on welfare than there are minorities.

You're wrong about literally everything

Someone dug out the alt for that post eh

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Derwood posted...

There are more white people in poverty/on welfare than there are minorities.

As a percentage of their total population?

Because that you can't understand that basic component of why non-white people would perform worse on tests due to poverty means:

You're wrong about literally everything

Seriously. How the fuck can you think we are talking about people count and not percentages?

The poverty RATE is higher in black America than white America, it is sad you are so ignorant as to not know this.

There are considerably more white Americans than black Americans, so the COUNT of just about every field is going to be higher for white Americans. But it is idiotic to infer from that that in any area where white people COUNT higher than black people white people have a higher RATE of anything.

That's not how math or reality works.

By your stupid logic white people are both more republican and more democratic than black people because there is a bigger COUNT of white people than black people in either party.

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Did anyone read the link?

there is a school policy in many, many schools where if a student goes through extreme grief or stress like for example when your room mate dies, you get some leniency.

the students were getting leniency because they were black and the George Floyd thing had just happened.

I dont agree with it, but it was not a new policy nor was it simply because they were black

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But if the argument is that standardized tests affect all poor people, not just minorities, then you must conclude that they affect far more white people than black people, as there are more total white people than there are total black people

Good for him, hope he wins and gets a rack of money.

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Derwood posted...

But if the argument is that standardized tests affect all poor people, not just minorities, then you must conclude that they affect far more white people than black people, as there are more total white people than there are total black people

They probably do affect more white people than black people as a COUNT but not as a RATE.

This is why when you control for income, almost all racial discrepancies disappear.

Because, you know, no race is inferior in some way. Because we are all just human people. And the argument supporting racism is an evil lie.

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DogOfPeace posted...

Did anyone read the link?

there is a school policy in many, many schools where if a student goes through extreme grief or stress like for example when your room mate dies, you get some leniency.

the students were getting leniency because they were black and the George Floyd thing had just happened.

I dont agree with it, but it was not a new policy nor was it simply because they were black

Did everyone get leniency at the time or just students of color?

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joe40001 posted...

Because we are all just human people. And racism is an evil lie.

Oh

Oh dear

joe40001 posted...

You contradict yourself.

let me further break it down for you.

one thing is having a policy that says that if you are black you get to present easy tests. Always, every single time, because you are black.

another thing is having a policy that you get leniency in certain things because youre undergoing extreme grief or stress.

if your room mate dies, that is the second scenario. If there is a serial killer in town killing people with curly hair only and you have curly hair, you are in that second scenario too.

the reasoning was that the George Floyd incident showed systemic racism against black people and that their life is not considered as something that matters, and these students happened to be black. You may agree or disagree with the reasoning, which is what people are doing, and that is quite valid, but the students were not being given leniency just for being black, which is the first scenario

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Is this true?

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Flauros posted...

Did everyone get leniency at the time or just students of color?

just black students, because they shared race with George Floyd. If it had been a Japanese man instead of Floyd then it would have been Japanese students instead. Its not hard to understand

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Derwood posted...

Oh

Oh dear

The argument for racism is an evil lie.

Do you disagree?

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the trash sjw students should be expelled

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DogOfPeace posted...

let me further break it down for you.

one thing is having a policy that says that if you are black you get to present easy tests. Always, every single time, because you are black.

another thing is having a policy that you get leniency in certain things because youre undergoing extreme grief or stress.

if your room mate dies, that is the second scenario. If there is a serial killer in town killing people with curly hair only and you have curly hair, you are in that second scenario too.

the reasoning was that the George Floyd incident showed systemic racism against black people and that their life is not considered as something that matters, and these students happened to be black. You may agree or disagree with the reasoning, which is what people are doing, and that is quite valid, but the students were not being given leniency just for being black, which is the first scenario

I deleted my post against you before you posted this.

I get what you are going for.

I still think it's wrong/racist what they did.

But I get your argument and my pushback against you was unfair.

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joe40001 posted...

I deleted my post against you before you posted this.

I get what you are going for.

I still think it's wrong/racist what they did.

But I get your argument and my pushback against you was unfair.

thats cool.

for the record I dont agree with the teachers suspension too. I just felt many people ITT hadnt read the link in OP

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joe40001 posted...

The argument for racism is an evil lie.

Do you disagree?

I'm not following you on your "racism is a lie" fever dream. Sorry, find someone else

Derwood posted...

I'm not following you on your "racism is a lie" fever dream. Sorry, find someone else

So in your opinion the arguments for racism are right?

So you... support racism?

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When you're so woke you come out the racist end

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Solid Snake07 posted...

When you're so woke you come out the racist end

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev373c7wSRg

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joe40001 posted...

So in your opinion the arguments for racism are right?

So you... support racism?

Straw man after straw man after straw man

joe40001 posted...

This is the kind of thing I'm talking about when I talk about the problems in academia.

This and, you know, literally accommodating segregation based on race.

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Derwood posted...

Straw man after straw man after straw man

I was saying that the arguments for racism were bad.

And you said that you were not following me on that fever dream.

Unless you are changing your stance, it's not a straw man, it's literally what you said.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

This and, you know, literally accommodating segregation based on race.

Yep.

I'm legitimately worried of a future in which it is a moddable offense on CE to say "segregation is bad".

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joe40001 posted...

Is this how people get around answering questions these days?

Because thats not what he said and you know it and youre being disingenuous.

But thats your gimmick so
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joe40001 posted...

This is insultingly racist.

The email he sent was insultingly racist.

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Derwood posted...

There are more white people in poverty/on welfare than there are minorities.

You're wrong about literally everything

Proportionately?

Because if we're just going by the numbers no fucking shit there are fewer they are minorities

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DrizztLink posted...

Proportionately?

Because if we're just going by the numbers no fucking shit there are fewer they are minorities

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha7HAG6jVqc

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You cannot defeat discrimination by mandating it.

To summarize:

joe40001 posted...

This is insultingly racist.

AND

joe40001 posted...

The argument for racism is an evil lie.

This is why bachelor degrees have less worth nowadays

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Derwood posted...

Um, ok.

Thanks for finally agreeing with me then, I guess.

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DogOfPeace posted...

Did anyone read the link?

there is a school policy in many, many schools where if a student goes through extreme grief or stress like for example when your room mate dies, you get some leniency.

the students were getting leniency because they were black and the George Floyd thing had just happened.

I dont agree with it, but it was not a new policy nor was it simply because they were black

You didn't read the article or sped read it because the professor addressed the request of it being solely for black students. Should he adhere to solely those denominated as black or include mixed race? Why not include white folks who are from the city in which the incident took place? It's their neighborhood and they would be more directly impacted than a black dude from the Caribbean or an African country by the event as it led to riots that tore apart their hometown.

Also, how can anyone argue that academia is not overcentralized and dominated by leftist ideology? Only in this age can a group of kids convince their school's administration to spend $50K to remove a historical boulder on the account of an article referred to the boulder in a derogatory manner toward black people almost a century ago.

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Sad_Face posted...

You didn't read the article or sped read it because the professor addressed the request of it being solely for black students. Should he adhere to solely those denominated as black or include mixed race? Why not include white folks who are from the city in which the incident took place? It's their neighborhood and they would be more directly impacted than a black dude from the Caribbean or an African country by the event as it led to riots that tore apart their hometown.

Also, how can anyone argue that academia is not overcentralized and dominated by leftist ideology? Only in this age can a group of kids convince their school's administration to spend $50K to remove a historical boulder on the account of an article referred to the boulder in a derogatory manner toward black people almost a century ago.

To be fair, somebody said a racist word about that rock 100 years ago, so that cursed it with demonic racism.

Do you really expect people to walk by a cursed rock? The demon of racism could get into their souls and posses them!

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Seriously though, what's the over/under on how long until SJWs literally start selling "anti-racist" holy water? I give it 5 years.

Hell I bet if you could get Kendi to bless some water as "anti-racist" water, idiot far lefties would pay top dollar for it and sprinkle it on all their shit.

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MrToothHasYou posted...

The email he sent was insultingly racist.

Absolutely not.

joe40001 posted...

To be fair, somebody said a racist word about that rock 100 years ago, so that cursed it with demonic racism.

Do you really expect people to walk by a cursed rock? The demon of racism could get into their souls and posses them!

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Seriously though, what's the over/under on how long until SJWs literally start selling "anti-racist" holy water? I give it 5 years.

Hell I bet if you could get Kendi to bless some water as "anti-racist" water, idiot far lefties would pay top dollar for it and sprinkle it on all their shit.

Once more why can't the right ever be honest about this shit.

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DogOfPeace posted...

there is a school policy in many, many schools where if a student goes through extreme grief or stress like for example when your room mate dies, you get some leniency.

This is an urban legend, fyi.

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Sad_Face posted...

Also, how can anyone argue that academia is not overcentralized and dominated by leftist ideology? Only in this age can a group of kids convince their school's administration to spend $50K to remove a historical boulder on the account of an article referred to the boulder in a derogatory manner toward black people almost a century ago.

Shut the actual goddamn fuck up and stay in your lane.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79687405


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Lorkhan posted...

Shut the actual goddamn f*** up and stay in your lane.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79687405

This conflict of interest between donors and a 20 person course that they fund at one of the most prestigious schools in the world is not representative of the academic atmosphere of the rest of the county. I dunno how you think your article proves that it's a level playing field between ideologies in academia and stuff like below either happens no problem to accommodate other ideologies aside from Leftism or is exceptionally rare to ever happen.

https://news.wisc.edu/no-longer-a-memorial-rock-removed-from-campus/
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Sad_Face posted...

This conflict of interest between donors and a 20 person course that they fund at one of the most prestigious schools in the world is not representative of the academic atmosphere of the rest of the county. I dunno how you think your article proves that it's a level playing field between ideologies in academia and stuff like below either happens no problem to accommodate other ideologies aside from Leftism or is exceptionally rare to ever happen.

https://news.wisc.edu/no-longer-a-memorial-rock-removed-from-campus/

A rock being removed and a professor wrongly being suspended (before coming back) are not equivalent to the sustained rightwing attack on higher education (and k-12) and academic freedom currently taking place around the country (and many other parts of the world), from the Yale issue, to many other similar ones, to groups like CampusReform and Toilet Paper USA compiling literal McCarthyist watchlists of professors they have deemed unacceptable and encouraging students to record and report content they don't approve of, to lawmakers in various states pushing or passing bills to prevent the teaching of concepts they have deemed unacceptable.

You aren't a student or faculty in a higher ed setting, so you really have zero place to talk about this (and that's not even to mention your views about bullshit like pizzagate and qanon). Fuck outta here.

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Lorkhan posted...

A rock being removed and a professor wrongly being suspended (before coming back) are not equivalent to the sustained rightwing attack on higher education (and k-12) and academic freedom currently taking place around the country (and many other parts of the world), from the Yale issue, to many other similar ones, to groups like CampusReform and Toilet Paper USA compiling literal McCarthyist watchlists of professors they have deemed unacceptable and encouraging students to record and report content they don't approve of, to lawmakers in various states pushing or passing bills to prevent the teaching of concepts they have deemed unacceptable.

You aren't a student or faculty in a higher ed setting, so you really have zero place to talk about this (and that's not even to mention your views about bulls*** like pizzagate and qanon). f*** outta here.

Dude your argument falls flat when you look at the fact that academia is overwhelmingly leftist and critics have come out saying that it has gotten to the point where professors have to be careful on how they speak if they lean conservative or want to criticize the current leftist ideology. And I know you're construing the lash back over teaching critical race theory in K-12 schooling.
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Sad_Face posted...

academia is overwhelmingly leftist

Nope. Academia may lean liberal in general, but that's only because an educated mind is typically not a conservative one.

Sad_Face posted...

critics have come out saying that it has gotten to the point where professors have to be careful on how they speak if they lean conservative or want to criticize the current leftist ideology

Nope. Absolutely untrue, and any "critics" you of all people are listening to probably don't know jack shit about what they're talking about.

Sad_Face posted...

lash back over teaching critical race theory in K-12 schooling.

CRT is not taught in k-12. Many laws proposing to ban CRT in k-12 (unnecessarily) among other topics that go against white supremacist hegemony are also affecting higher education. Seriously, just fuck off.

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Sad_Face posted...

And I know you're construing the lash back over teaching critical race theory in K-12 schooli

The Republican who pushed this openly admitted that it was bull shit.
Now in Texas they are suggest that you don't need to go over the Civil Rights movement.
In VA, that suggest that students can't read Ruby Bridges book, because it makes white students feel sad.


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Lorkhan posted...

Nope. Academia may lean liberal in general, but that's only because an educated mind is typically not a conservative one.

STEM leans somewhat conservative.

Lorkhan posted...

Nope. Absolutely untrue, and any "critics" you of all people are listening to probably don't know jack s*** about what they're talking about.

https://youtu.be/12LAXsiDRPU?t=192

And you're being disingenuous about CRT, there were talks about integrating CRT into the public school curriculum which kicked off the protests.

We have incidents of people being canceled by leftist students every month and this has been going on FOR YEARS. How are you fighting this? The left dominate culture overwhelmingly so. This is partially why Trump's upset win in 2016 was such a big deal. A lot of people were weaponizing their vote against culture. It's the reason why a popular google search around that time was "I secretly voted for Trump".

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cjsdowg posted...

The Republican who pushed this openly admitted that it was bull s***.
Now in Texas they are suggest that you don't need to go over the Civil Rights movement.
In VA, that suggest that students can't read Ruby Bridges book, because it makes white students feel sad.

Touche. I do recall hearing about these.
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I don't think the professor should have been suspended but if he had just given a simple explanation, a vague rejection, or even ignored it, it seems like he would have avoided all the negative publicity. His jobs and his credibility were boosted by the prestige of a professorship and here he played the part of the douchebag professor who took a chance to beat down on someone for having the gall to ask for something outside the norm and made several gross comparisons. His initial response is arrogant as hell and detached from what is happening on the ground with his students and the discourse going on in general.

But maybe he really is as good as those companies at one time thought he was and maybe he deserves restitution. He'll have his day in court.

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Sad_Face posted...

STEM leans somewhat conservative.

Which goes directly against the bullshit narrative you're trying to construct. So congrats, you played yourself.

Sad_Face posted...

And you're being disingenuous about CRT, there were talks about integrating CRT into the public school curriculum which kicked off the protests.

No there weren't. CRT isn't even something that ever comes up pre-grad school. I can also guarantee you have no idea what the fuck it is and means.

Sad_Face posted...

We have incidents of people being canceled by leftist students every month and this has been going on FOR YEARS.

No we don't. And speakers being canceled from a campus is not an attack on academic freedom, before you pull that bullshit card.

But you brought it all back around to your orange god, as usual.

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Derwood posted...

There are more white people in poverty/on welfare than there are minorities.

You're wrong about literally everything

I havent looked up on the statistics, but Caucasians out number every other race/ethnic group.

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clown world

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>newsweek

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CRT is not & has never been taught in any public K-12 school. There isnt even any smaller form of it being taught in a single school, theres no Pre-CRT or Introduction to CRT classes.

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